UN Government Shutdown Megathread/Updates - News of the ongoing/halted Goverment Shutdown from 12/22/18 -1/25/19

Here's the news of the Government Shutdown as of 1/22/19

It's been a month now since this shutdown started which started back in December and no deal seems to be coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...day-32-as-democrats-vow-to-reject-trump-offer

"The longest government shutdown in U.S. history entered its 32nd day on Tuesday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expected to call up legislation to advance a proposal from President Donald Trump, which Democrats have already said they’ll reject.


The president said in a Jan. 19 speech he would support a mix of immigration-related proposals in exchange for $5.7 billion to build a wall or other barriers along the border. Trump’s supporters, including Vice President Mike Pence, pointed to the offer as evidence of the president’s willingness to strike a compromise with Democrats.


Pelosi’s Democrats, meanwhile, plan more votes of their own in the House to reopen the government, with a new offer of $1 billion for border upgrades -- but not a wall -- on tap this week.

 

[Cosmug]

Speaking as someone who opposes it (I’ll leave it to you to decide if I’m sane or not), I oppose it because:

It’ll cost way too much. I don’t even know where Trump got $6 billion. Try 100 times that.

Border patrol claims that a wall would make it too hard for them to see what’s happening on the other side. Regardless, it seems to me that a wall would lull border patrol into a false sense of security, or maybe Congress might decide to decrease their funding, which is a problem since a wall is not insurmountable.

Most illegal immigrants get here via tourist or student visas, which they overstay.

Crossing the border is already dangerous (pick your poison: dehydration in the desert or drowning in the Rio Grande) with a decent chance of being immediately caught by border patrol. Our influx of illegal immigrants isn’t nearly as bad as it would be if the crossing weren’t dangerous and especially if we had open borders.

I couldn’t care less about the liberal aversion to walls because it’s “mean”. I don’t believe in open borders. And I especially am not liking the liberal obsession with illegal immigrants vs. immigrants who waited their turn. But I also think there are a lot of other ways, cheaper ways, better ways to deal with this issue

That’s not unreasonable but as a counterpoint:

There’s roughly neighborhood-sized chunks of American soil that Americans are told to stay away from because what was formerly an opportunity to enjoy some natural beauty is now a place where cartels perform dead drops, hostage exchanges, or set up ramshackle camps with shit bought from Home Depot to cook drugs. In every case they shoot at anything that looks like it could be a human witness to their activity.
The wall would have a minimal impact on people who come in to pick oranges in California, but there’s plenty of illegal entry that is here just long enough to get money or dodge Mexican cops.

 

[Absolutego]

Gabbard and Harris will be negotiable to the progressive block, being 'women of color', and those more conservative leanings will help with normal people. Looking at Harris' site she's definitely marketing herself progressive, focusing on fighting for minority rights, prison reforms, posing with black kids for photos, etc.

I'm not as familiar with the Democratic scene since my family is conservative, but I doubt white men will truly be make or break when 'dethroning Trump' is on the line. You eliminate all the other candidates and somebody who already voted HRC is given the choice between Trump and say Biden, the choice will be clear for them.

Gabbard is doomed entirely because a) she was willing to meet with Trump over a prospective cabinet position, and b) she's a practicing Hindu and the non-woke poc are extremely likely to have a problem with that.

Harris is going to be the DNC shill candidate, Warren is going to be Hillary 2016 but slightly less embarrassing, I don't even know how Bernie is going to run when the DNC made a rule explicitly to prevent him from doing so in 2020, everyone else are various token minority candidates scrabbling to see which identity group gets to sit on top of the progressive stack.

 

[CatParty]

Lol why is trump a pussy and cave in

 

[Pozzingmyfilthyneghole]

Gabbard is doomed entirely because a) she was willing to meet with Trump over a prospective cabinet position, and b) she's a practicing Hindu and the non-woke poc are extremely likely to have a problem with that.

Harris is going to be the DNC shill candidate, Warren is going to be Hillary 2016 but slightly less embarrassing, I don't even know how Bernie is going to run when the DNC made a rule explicitly to prevent him from doing so in 2020, everyone else are various token minority candidates scrabbling to see which identity group gets to sit on top of the progressive stack.

Pelosi is more likely to the winning candidate.

 

[fiu0cm]

It’ll cost way too much. I don’t even know where Trump got $6 billion. Try 100 times that.

Who the fuck says 600 billion USD? It'd be like 25 billion USD, which is under 2% of the US gov't's annual discretionary budget.

Most illegal immigrants get here via tourist or student visas, which they overstay

30% of new undocumented entries is not an insignificant number.

Regardless, it seems to me that a wall would lull border patrol into a false sense of security, or maybe Congress might decide to decrease their funding, which is a problem since a wall is not insurmountable.

A wall isn't insurmountable and Trump and co. have no intentions of only using a wall to protect the border.

They save good people from attempting a very dangerous journey from other countries, thousands of miles, because they think they have a glimmer of hope of coming through. With a wall, they don't have that hope... These barriers are made of steel, have see-through visibility, which is very important, and are equipped with sensors, monitors and cutting-edge technology, including state-of-the-art drones... Our proposed structures will be in predetermined high-risk locations that have been specifically identified by the Border Patrol to stop illicit flows of people and drugs. No border security plan can ever work without a physical barrier... At the same time, we need to increase drug detection technology and manpower to modernize our ports of entry, which are obsolete.

I don’t believe in open borders.

I do but your arguments are dumb.

 

[pwincess fwuffypants]

The GOP will probably be able to give the Dems a veto proof majority in the Senate after 3 weeks. They just don't have the stomach to save themselves or rather they only care about themselves and not the ideals or people that got them elected.

You're implying separation where there is none. There is only the Party, there are no Democrats or Republicans. The bickering is only for show and no more.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

You're implying separation where there is none. There is only the Party, there are no Democrats or Republicans. The bickering is only for show and no more.

Sometimes when people claim that Fox News or the Republicans are Trump's friends, I think back to the 2016 primaries and at how desperate the GOP was to stop Trump. From Yeb, to the debate ambushes, to Colorado delegate shitstorm, to the final Cruz/Kasich collusion: It's weird how it seems many have forgotten about all of that.

 

[Optimus Prime]

That's the whole plan, just hamstring him til the election and minimize whatever things he has done, so you can say he's a useless leader that does nothing but play golf. Say he's a moron that can't even build a wall, neglecting to mention you've been the one making sure the pro-illegal articles and anti-wall ads are up and calling in favors for people to block the vote. Refuse to even negotiate about the wall and then blame Trump for being unreasonable. Say it's Trumps personal pet project and neglect to mention he was elected on that platform and due to that its' a virtually voter mandated measure.

The thing is, until the past elections where the Dems won back the house, the government was pretty solidly in Republican hands.

And yet at no time during those two or so years did Trump push that stupid wall. Sure, it was mostly the whole medicare shitshow but at the same time, Trump could have gotten the wall into action at any point with the entire Republican party behind him and let that run itself more or less.

And nobody is calling it this spontaneous thing, as you seem to think - everybody is well aware that Trump got elected on that wall, it's the single most memorable thing (out of a lot of memorable things) that he preached about during the campaign season. What comes off as surprising is how he hadn't been pushing hard for it until the absolute worst point in time so far in his presidency.

Sometimes when people claim that Fox News or the Republicans are Trump's friends, I think back to the 2016 primaries and at how desperate the GOP was to stop Trump. From Yeb, to the debate ambushes, to Colorado delegate shitstorm, to the final Cruz/Kasich collusion: It's weird how it seems many have forgotten about all of that.

Fox and the Republicans are only Trump's friends in so far as he serves their needs - they were too splintered to effectively stop him getting nominated by their own party, so after that happened they threw all in with Trump because at that point it was simply to prevent the Dems/Clinton from winning.

Now they're defending him because right now? It's looking really bad for the Republicans for how much shit Trump was involved with that's exposing a SHITLOAD of bad things across the entire party. It's all self-serving, none of them care about Trump himself.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Fox and the Republicans are only Trump's friends in so far as he serves their needs - they were too splintered to effectively stop him getting nominated by their own party, so after that happened they threw all in with Trump because at that point it was simply to prevent the Dems/Clinton from winning.

Now they're defending him because right now? It's looking really bad for the Republicans for how much shit Trump was involved with that's exposing a SHITLOAD of bad things across the entire party. It's all self-serving, none of them care about Trump himself.

That's my point though, the Republicans only are helping Trump when they have no other choice; They're certainly not friends and many are just praying that Trump disappears or something.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

This video just showed up on my feed randomly and the title of the video makes it look like a clickbait but holy shit, Zodiac Killer's making a comeback. (This video had to have been recent, don't know the date this was held.)

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

So they shut down the shutdown?

Does that mean in three weeks the shutdown shutdown will shut down?

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

There sure are a lot of strongly opinionated & hard feelings going on in this thread.

 

[Clem Fandango]

This video just showed up on my feed randomly and the title of the video makes it look like a clickbait but holy shit, Zodiac Killer's making a comeback. (This video had to have been recent, don't know the date this was held.)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=T1fKlcfgx3o

Gotta say, that beard's really working for old Lyin' Ted. It's a good look.

 

[Cosmug]

Now begins the Shippuden part of the story of Ted Cruzumaki. It’s going to end with him and Jeb! fighting again at the monuments of the last ninja war.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Sure, but my point is that if you're in a fairly long aggravating negotiation with some other party and you offer a pretty good deal to your opposite (that doesn't make them look that bad to their base) only to then offer even more concessions a few days later then you look either like a fool or a weakling.

@XYZpdq Pfft, yeah right. I don't think he'll manage to turn things around now with a state of the union address. If he couldn't do that a few days ago, how would he be able to do it later? And even if the situation comes again later, there's no reason for House democrats to vote for any proposal offered by Trump. Put simply, say bye-bye to the wall.

I'm the type who would've held out forever & laughed that my opponents were willing to sacrifice the country to score a Pyrrhic victory, because policies are mutually exclusive across party lines & holding everybody back is a thing that mature people do & it's totally worth it to watch the world burn to spite my opponent for being with the wrong group. If Trump ran as a democrat then the democratic party wouldn't give a shit about the border wall and it'd be the republicans trying to keep it from going up.

 

[fiu0cm]

Sometimes when people claim that Fox News or the Republicans are Trump's friends, I think back to the 2016 primaries and at how desperate the GOP was to stop Trump. From Yeb, to the debate ambushes, to Colorado delegate shitstorm, to the final Cruz/Kasich collusion: It's weird how it seems many have forgotten about all of that.

Regardless of their reasons, Fox News and most Republicans have essentially gone all in on Trump. There have been quibbles from some Republicans when Trump said dumb shit, but few have dissented in a meaningful way. It's worse, to both Trump diehards and enemies, that Republicans flipped after Trump won.

 

[Medicated]

And yet at no time during those two or so years did Trump push that stupid wall. Sure, it was mostly the whole medicare shitshow but at the same time, Trump could have gotten the wall into action at any point with the entire Republican party behind him and let that run itself more or less.

Fox and the Republicans are only Trump's friends in so far as he serves their needs - they were too splintered to effectively stop him getting nominated by their own party, so after that happened they threw all in with Trump because at that point it was simply to prevent the Dems/Clinton from winning.

Now they're defending him because right now? It's looking really bad for the Republicans for how much shit Trump was involved with that's exposing a SHITLOAD of bad things across the entire party. It's all self-serving, none of them care about Trump himself.

Your two comments seem at odds, the Republicans threatened to implode their entire party because they wanted someone else on the ticket. They certainly weren't going to be all be behind Trump on the wall out the gate. Choosing Trump as the candidate was purely an act of self preservation for them. Some may have warmed up to him. But they still take their orders from the republican party, just like Sanders wasn't chosen by the powers that be of the democratic party. They may not want a wall because it would increase his chances of winning the next election, and they aren't interested in having a virtual outsider President again that hasn't paid their dues and hasn't got dirty laundry and favors they can call in to get some friendly corporations and individuals the "help" they need.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

It's really very simple. Trump should not have called the shutdown bluff unless he was willing to shut it down indefinitely. This is the worst of all possible worlds. He'd have been better just not letting it shut down at all.

What cushy benefits do you think these people get? Federal jobs aren't like the military, where everything is paid fora no you get good insurance.

lol you actually believe the recruitment ads.

One day these politicians will follow McCain and things will be much better.

Glioblastoma 2020!

 

[fam]

I've always wondered what sane people who are against the wall think we should do about the flood of illegals. It's not like I haven't asked either, but every time the response I get is some open borders goodbye sovereignty refugees welcome insanity, or a "well I agree something has to be done but the wall is dumb and pointless and won't help and people will tunnel under it and swim around it and pole jump it and and and" cop out.

For preventing the most criminal elements from seeping through the border, I like the ideas behind what Anduril Industries is developing.
However, if the majority of illegals really are coming in through legal ports of entry, thinking any kind of barrier will stop "the flood of illegals" seems dumb. Thinking a literal physical wall will seems especially dumb.

 

[Roger Whore]

OK OK WHO TURNED THE GOVERNMENT OFF?