UN Government Shutdown Megathread/Updates - News of the ongoing/halted Goverment Shutdown from 12/22/18 -1/25/19

Here's the news of the Government Shutdown as of 1/22/19

It's been a month now since this shutdown started which started back in December and no deal seems to be coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...day-32-as-democrats-vow-to-reject-trump-offer

"The longest government shutdown in U.S. history entered its 32nd day on Tuesday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expected to call up legislation to advance a proposal from President Donald Trump, which Democrats have already said they’ll reject.


The president said in a Jan. 19 speech he would support a mix of immigration-related proposals in exchange for $5.7 billion to build a wall or other barriers along the border. Trump’s supporters, including Vice President Mike Pence, pointed to the offer as evidence of the president’s willingness to strike a compromise with Democrats.


Pelosi’s Democrats, meanwhile, plan more votes of their own in the House to reopen the government, with a new offer of $1 billion for border upgrades -- but not a wall -- on tap this week.

 

[An Ghost]

What cushy benefits do you think these people get? Federal jobs aren't like the military, where everything is paid fora no you get good insurance. Also, government salaries are notoriously low. A job that would be something like $60-80k in the private sector is easily $25-45k depending on location if you work for the federal government. Not to mention, a lot of the hourly employees don't get many benefits at all.

I just don't get the logic of people here sometimes. Isn't it better for someone to be working a $15/hr TSA job than getting SSI and food stamps and not having a job at all? If they needed to take advantage of a free meal being offered to them by private citizens or charities because they haven't been getting paid for a month, why is that so awful? And think of the Coast Guard folks, too. Lots of military wives don't work, but these families usually have a ton of kids. If daddy's paycheck isn't coming in, what happens when the kids need diapers and formula?

It's pretty hard to save money on low wages in America. Maybe these people did have a small savings, and they using it to pay bills. I have no issue with folks getting a fucking meal from a food pantry.

Googling TSA benefits gives me a plethora of people saying how great they are from job review sites and actual gov domains. The government takes care of their own.

I don’t have a problem with people receiving handouts. I just don’t think the media can convince me to feel bad for Joe Gov in DC.

 

[Marco Fucko]

I don't think this specifically is Trump's low point, but if he doesn't manage to negotiate for the wall he ran on, in addition to other power struggles during his tenure, I'd be surprised at a second term.

 

[Umaibae]

The difference being I have no choice but to deal with them and they have the power to cavity search anyone at any time. All for our "safety." But yeah, just like McDonalds!

No one's forcing you to fly.

 

[Coldgrip]

I know it's EdGy to hate on TSA workers, but the anger is misdirected, bro. Hating on a low-level minimum wage worker and not the system is like those PETA people who harass McDonald's employees working the drive through.

No, I gotta agree, the TSA suck dick. Even a small cog in the machine is still part of the machine.

 

[fiu0cm]

The left, in particular, seems to be savaging anyone who's emerging as a potential Democrat candidate for 2020 - including AOC. No-one is perfect enough for them, which is kind of ironic given how much they wanted people to vote for Hillary in spite of her flaws last time around.

I think their tent is too big and they're worried that anyone but the perfect candidate would lose to Trump. However, even if neither of those are the reason, they shouldn't shy away from being really critical of every candidate. It wouldn't serve them go easy every candidate.

Question is, what exactly can Trump even give to equal the wall?

Single payer (lol)

Isn't it better for someone to be working a $15/hr TSA job than getting SSI and food stamps and not having a job at all? If they needed to take advantage of a free meal being offered to them by private citizens or charities because they haven't been getting paid for a month, why is that so awful?

For your specific example, it's very arguable that the TSA has had a substantial negative economic impact that has not been offset by agents spending their wages. Honestly, in this case, SSI and SNAP recipients have a better economic impact than TSA agents.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Insert obligatory "Did you try turning it off and back on again" post here.

"It looks like you're trying to run the government, would you like help with that?"

 

[Medicated]

Question is, what exactly can Trump even give to equal the wall? His grand plan of temporarily preserving DACA went out the window when the Supreme Court delayed that action until 2020.

That's the whole plan, just hamstring him til the election and minimize whatever things he has done, so you can say he's a useless leader that does nothing but play golf. Say he's a moron that can't even build a wall, neglecting to mention you've been the one making sure the pro-illegal articles and anti-wall ads are up and calling in favors for people to block the vote. Refuse to even negotiate about the wall and then blame Trump for being unreasonable. Say it's Trumps personal pet project and neglect to mention he was elected on that platform and due to that its' a virtually voter mandated measure.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

One day these politicians will follow McCain and things will be much better.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I'll be honest, I don't see how the end game plays out here.

Trump can't back down, he's too invested in this.

Pelosi won't, because she has no reason to - she's apparently untouchable.

They're gonna keep doing it until he's out of office in 2024.

 

[queue-anon]

I don't think this specifically is Trump's low point, but if he doesn't manage to negotiate for the wall he ran on, in addition to other power struggles during his tenure, I'd be surprised at a second term.

I don’t know. It sure looks like his followers think he’s above reproach. And, even if it turns out to be the Dems’ election to lose, they’ll do their damnedest to lose it.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

I don’t know. It sure looks like his followers think he’s above reproach. And, even if it turns out to be the Dems’ election to lose, they’ll do their damnedest to lose it.

I'm gonna vote for Trump in 2020 because the Republican establishment is complete shit, the Democrats are complete shit, and I want to see all the tears and TDS that will follow.

 

[queue-anon]

Isn't the primary issue one of whether the asylum-seekers are actually refugees under the internationally agreed meaning of the term or whether they're really economic migrants who don't meet the criteria for conventional migration and are trying to use asylum as a loophole, though - meaning that if they're admitted it's at the expense of actual refugees (of which most western countries only take a limited amount each year)?

Your border crossers are the equivalent of our boat people and I can't help feeling that your solution has to be as harsh as our "Pacific Solution" in the short term, allowing you to stem the tide so that you can come up with long term solutions for those already in the US and develop robust policy for the future.

It seems like a lot of them are citing “gang violence” which is not a generally accepted reason for asylum and is also something that’s hard to prove.

As the kid of an immigrant, I’m not particularly hostile to immigrants, but I’m not interested in an asylum policy that allows in almost everyone. Leave that to the Swedes.

Claims for asylum peaked two years ago and have been falling fast. Liberals use this as evidence that Trump’s crisis is manufactured, but it seems more likely that Trump locking up asylum seekers until it’s time to deport them is the real reason why. I don’t think Central America suddenly got peaceful and non-violent in the past two years.

 

[Marco Fucko]

I don’t know. It sure looks like his followers think he’s above reproach. And, even if it turns out to be the Dems’ election to lose, they’ll do their damnedest to lose it.

Don't rely on following as a metric. Trump did well bashing establishment Republicans because everyone was sick of them and Bernie had a veritable cult for similar reasons on the left, but when he sold out a lot of people folded over to HRC because of Trump's bluster being unattractive to most liberal leaners.

Right now we're not seeing a lot of good candidates for 2020, but I feel like the Dems may have learned their lesson not to underestimate Trump and not to run victory laps. That energy is still there for them, look at the honest hype for Ocasio-Cortez among millennials and zoomers even though she's done literally nothing so far. If the Democrats can find a progressive willing to moderate themselves, or a corporate willing to sing sweet nothings on the campaign trail, and if Trump fails his base, they might win back the White House early.

 

[LN 910]

Cortez isn't old enough to run tho, maybe 2024 will be the year for commie mommie

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Don't rely on following as a metric. Trump did well bashing establishment Republicans because everyone was sick of them and Bernie had a veritable cult for similar reasons on the left, but when he sold out a lot of people folded over to HRC because of Trump's bluster being unattractive to most liberal leaners.

Right now we're not seeing a lot of good candidates for 2020, but I feel like the Dems may have learned their lesson not to underestimate Trump and not to run victory laps. That energy is still there for them, look at the honest hype for Ocasio-Cortez among millennials and zoomers even though she's done literally nothing so far. If the Democrats can find a progressive willing to moderate themselves, or a corporate willing to sing sweet nothings on the campaign trail, and if Trump fails his base, they might when back the White House early.

The candidate pool for the dems are very divisive this time around though with each candidate at least pissing off some faction of the party.

 

[Marco Fucko]

The candidate pool for the dems are very divisive this time around though with each candidate at least pissing off some faction of the party.

Definitely. Warren wears redface, Sanders is a sellout, Biden is a corporate remnant to some, same for Holder, and Harris might be too progressive (although she'll probably play ball).

They might want to go for an unknown at this point.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Definitely. Warren wears redface, Sanders is a sellout, Biden is a corporate remnant to some, same for Holder, and Harris might be too progressive (although she'll probably play ball).

They might want to go for an unknown at this point.

Actually the hate for Harris this time is because she supports cops and the death penalty along with being corporate.


Not to mention Gabbard is right leaning and the others are white males.

 

[queue-anon]

I've always wondered what sane people who are against the wall think we should do about the flood of illegals. It's not like I haven't asked either, but every time the response I get is some open borders goodbye sovereignty refugees welcome insanity, or a "well I agree something has to be done but the wall is dumb and pointless and won't help and people will tunnel under it and swim around it and pole jump it and and and" cop out.

Speaking as someone who opposes it (I’ll leave it to you to decide if I’m sane or not), I oppose it because:

It’ll cost way too much. I don’t even know where Trump got $6 billion. Try 100 times that.

Border patrol claims that a wall would make it too hard for them to see what’s happening on the other side. Regardless, it seems to me that a wall would lull border patrol into a false sense of security, or maybe Congress might decide to decrease their funding, which is a problem since a wall is not insurmountable.

Most illegal immigrants get here via tourist or student visas, which they overstay.

Crossing the border is already dangerous (pick your poison: dehydration in the desert or drowning in the Rio Grande) with a decent chance of being immediately caught by border patrol. Our influx of illegal immigrants isn’t nearly as bad as it would be if the crossing weren’t dangerous and especially if we had open borders.

I couldn’t care less about the liberal aversion to walls because it’s “mean”. I don’t believe in open borders. And I especially am not liking the liberal obsession with illegal immigrants vs. immigrants who waited their turn. But I also think there are a lot of other ways, cheaper ways, better ways to deal with this issue

 

[Marco Fucko]

Actually the hate for Harris this time is because she supports cops and the death penalty along with being corporate.


Not to mention Gabbard is right leaning and the others are white males.

Gabbard and Harris will be negotiable to the progressive block, being 'women of color', and those more conservative leanings will help with normal people. Looking at Harris' site she's definitely marketing herself progressive, focusing on fighting for minority rights, prison reforms, posing with black kids for photos, etc.

I'm not as familiar with the Democratic scene since my family is conservative, but I doubt white men will truly be make or break when 'dethroning Trump' is on the line. You eliminate all the other candidates and somebody who already voted HRC is given the choice between Trump and say Biden, the choice will be clear for them.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Isn't the primary issue one of whether the asylum-seekers are actually refugees under the internationally agreed meaning of the term or whether they're really economic migrants who don't meet the criteria for conventional migration and are trying to use asylum as a loophole, though - meaning that if they're admitted it's at the expense of actual refugees (of which most western countries only take a limited amount each year)?

Your border crossers are the equivalent of our boat people and I can't help feeling that your solution has to be as harsh as our "Pacific Solution" in the short term, allowing you to stem the tide so that you can come up with long term solutions for those already in the US and develop robust policy for the future.

America: Fuck Off, We’re Full

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