UN Government Shutdown Megathread/Updates - News of the ongoing/halted Goverment Shutdown from 12/22/18 -1/25/19

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Here's the news of the Government Shutdown as of 1/22/19

It's been a month now since this shutdown started which started back in December and no deal seems to be coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...day-32-as-democrats-vow-to-reject-trump-offer

"The longest government shutdown in U.S. history entered its 32nd day on Tuesday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expected to call up legislation to advance a proposal from President Donald Trump, which Democrats have already said they’ll reject.


The president said in a Jan. 19 speech he would support a mix of immigration-related proposals in exchange for $5.7 billion to build a wall or other barriers along the border. Trump’s supporters, including Vice President Mike Pence, pointed to the offer as evidence of the president’s willingness to strike a compromise with Democrats.


Pelosi’s Democrats, meanwhile, plan more votes of their own in the House to reopen the government, with a new offer of $1 billion for border upgrades -- but not a wall -- on tap this week.
 
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An Ghost said:
Can somebody explain why adults who work for the government and receive all sorts of other cushy benefits have to wait in soup lines? Money management 101: have a few months worth of expenses in liquid cash and invest the rest because you never know when you might have an emergency. Plus light googling of pics, everybody in the food lines seems to be schlubby white guys in DC.
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The value decision people are making is dependent on the likelihood of future hardship. Generally, people value today over tomorrow, and more so if they think the possibility of going without food tomorrow is nonexistent. Some people will throw 5% of their wage into a retirement account, or save up for a big purchase, but nobody has an emergency savings account.
 
Even supporters of the wall need to concede one thing; the physical barrier preventing illegal entry is only going to stem the tide. The real wall needs to be demanding proof of citizenship to work, get welfare and especially vote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/us/noncitizens-voting-texas.html

If Trump wants to play 4D backgammon, these next three weeks will be him threatening those avenues of corruption and making the wall seem like small potatoes.
 
not william stenchever said:
When Trump finally leaves office to be replaced by whichever Dem Turbosped had enough oppression points, should I start drinking heavily again or should I just skip straight to heroin or meth?
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You know things are incredibly bad when people like Occasio Cortez actually are being taken seriously by voting blocks of young millennial who want socialism in America.

fiu0cm said:
The value decision people are making is dependent on the likelihood of future hardship. Generally, people value today over tomorrow, and more so if they think the possibility of going without food tomorrow is nonexistent. Some people will throw 5% of their wage into a retirement account, or save up for a big purchase, but nobody has an emergency savings account.
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In my experience government employees are people who go for a cushy comfortable job where you have to do a minimal amount of output to collect your paychecks. That might be me being biased, but again I've met rather brilliant people who work in government positions, they are never working at the DMV or other bottom level government jobs.

I wish I could feel some sympathy for people who are having financial problems at the moment, but if you can't manage basic finances, then you deserve the grief you get when it all goes pear shaped.
 
Dink Smallwood said:
That's honestly the only thing that concerns me, I would like to go to those parks someday.
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And once the shutdown ends for good, these parks will take time to clean thanks to people dumping whatever shit they leave behind. Not to mention, doing anything else like vandalizing the environment by doing donuts in a national park within the desert.

Senior Lexmechanic said:
Forget the civilian utility; the damage to some of our only remaining relatively pristine ecosystems caused by literal PILES of shit by the road (yes, really) may take decades to fix.
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Designated shitting roads.

GossipGirl said:
tbh fuck the wall, dig a moat instead
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Dig a moat and fill it with all sorts of creatures. At least then, you'd have to rely on some other means than digging under it where it could collapse on top of you.
 
not william stenchever said:
When Trump finally leaves office to be replaced by whichever Dem Turbosped had enough oppression points, should I start drinking heavily again or should I just skip straight to heroin or meth?
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If that happens, then you won't know everything is going to hell, because the media won't report on it, or at worst, minimize the fallout. It'll probably go back to the Obama years, where you have them guest star on various TV shows, and have weekly mini-docos about what an inspiring leader they were destined to be.
 
Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost said:
You know things are incredibly bad when people like Occasio Cortez actually are being taken seriously by voting blocks of young millennial who want socialism in America.
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I'm going to take the doomer route and say let socialism take over and watch their shitty world burn. I'm deadass broke, with a workplace that didn't pay out anything this last paycycle (even though my pay stub says the opposite). Rational thinking is no longer acceptable. Woke millenials think throwing bricks and molotovs into storefronts, burning trashcans, etc will win over the boomers to support anarchism. Venezuela is now "not socialist and never was". Cuba is now a first world country to these idiots being "oppressed by the US government". It's now acceptable for troons to straight up do anything to you, including murder, just because you may have misgendered them, purposely or accidentally.

If they want to bring in terrible ideas that have left millions dead, go for it. Don't blame the righties when you're all being put to death by the government you begged and pleaded for.
 
NeoGAF Lurker said:
To those who think this three week time period is a good thing, what exactly does Trump have for leverage? We already know he can’t handle a 35 day shutdown so what makes this time different than this shutdown which ended in failure for Trump?
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A lot of people seem to think, Trump reopening the government for a few weeks, even as an act of goodwill, is somehow him giving up. When I see Democrats actually attempting to push for a dialogue now.

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Give Her The D said:
I'm going to take the doomer route and say let socialism take over and watch their shitty world burn. I'm deadass broke, with a workplace that didn't pay out anything this last paycycle (even though my pay stub says the opposite). Rational thinking is no longer acceptable. Woke millenials think throwing bricks and molotovs into storefronts, burning trashcans, etc will win over the boomers to support anarchism. Venezuela is now "not socialist and never was". Cuba is now a first world country to these idiots being "oppressed by the US government". It's now acceptable for troons to straight up do anything to you, including murder, just because you may have misgendered them, purposely or accidentally.

If they want to bring in terrible ideas that have left millions dead, go for it. Don't blame the righties when you're all being put to death by the government you begged and pleaded for.
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The only issue I have with that line of thinking is that it's inversion of who get the jackboot first. In a far right system of dictatorship it's always the political left, or powerful persons who aren't friendly to the regime that get liquidated first. In a socialist/communist style take over, the first targets of hate wouldn't be the most wealthy within American society, they'd have fled by that point in time. It would be the American conservative middle classes who suffered.

A good example of this is the Russian civil war. Most of the wealthy Tsarist fled or were killed in the fighting, the Bolsheviks took over, and then the first major target for Stalin in the early years was the Kulak's wealthier peasant farmers.

So you will either have a balkanization, which will probably lead to ethnic violence as well as ideological violence, or in cases where one side can't fight, then a huge refugee issue, and even then if communism was overthrown it wouldn't be real communism because the ideologue cannot see past his political views no matter how illogical.

If such were the case, we wouldn't have SJW's because the majority of their shitty arguments were dispelled with long ago.
 
NeoGAF Lurker said:
To those who think this three week time period is a good thing, what exactly does Trump have for leverage? We already know he can’t handle a 35 day shutdown so what makes this time different than this shutdown which ended in failure for Trump?
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Well, he has the ability to shut down the other ways of illegal immigration, which I'm sure he'll negotiate with the Dems.

Also declaring state of emergency.
 
NeoGAF Lurker said:
To those who think this three week time period is a good thing, what exactly does Trump have for leverage? We already know he can’t handle a 35 day shutdown so what makes this time different than this shutdown which ended in failure for Trump?
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The major talking point I’ve seen in the press pushing to end the shutdown without the wall was “think of the poor bureaucracy not getting paid right now”. Trump made a speech announcing one and a half pay periods, and back pay. It’s not any harder to spin this as Trump bring magnanimous in the face of Pelosi’s intransigence than it is to spin it as a Trump surrender. Partisans will pick which one they want to believe and post about it relentlessly.
 
Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost said:
In my experience government employees are people who go for a cushy comfortable job where you have to do a minimal amount of output to collect your paychecks. That might be me being biased, but again I've met rather brilliant people who work in government positions, they are never working at the DMV or other bottom level government jobs.

I wish I could feel some sympathy for people who are having financial problems at the moment, but if you can't manage basic finances, then you deserve the grief you get when it all goes pear shaped.
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I think that reflects the culture around gov't jobs where they're thought of as safe and secure jobs. A lot of government jobs are that way, but the nonessential jobs are, very obviously, not. I feel sympathy for people who were never taught about finance at all. They didn't know and, for the most part, didn't need to know until this month.

Cosmug said:
Even supporters of the wall need to concede one thing; the physical barrier preventing illegal entry is only going to stem the tide.
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That's literally the point of a wall. I don't think anyone is under the illusion that a wall stops everything. A wall is meant to deter hopeful illegals and delay actual illegals.
 
Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost said:
You know things are incredibly bad when people like Occasio Cortez actually are being taken seriously by voting blocks of young millennial who want socialism in America.
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The parties themselves, though, seem committed to putting forward elderly candidates. In that respect, I think both parties are out of touch - you're not electing a pope.

The left, in particular, seems to be savaging anyone who's emerging as a potential Democrat candidate for 2020 - including AOC. No-one is perfect enough for them, which is kind of ironic given how much they wanted people to vote for Hillary in spite of her flaws last time around.
 
repentance said:
The parties themselves, though, seem committed to putting forward elderly candidates. In that respect, I think both parties are out of touch - you're not electing a pope.

The left, in particular, seems to be savaging anyone who's emerging as a potential Democrat candidate for 2020 - including AOC. No-one is perfect enough for them, which is kind of ironic given how much they wanted people to vote for Hillary in spite of her flaws last time around.
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I think that is literally because they've pushed the oppression and special interest politics points so much that all of the young candidates who can actually be bothered to stand for democratic positions are coming from these activist college enclaves, which lets face it, if your a corporate democrat, is not good for business. So they don't really have much of a choice really except to field the older candidates, otherwise they will alienate a great majority of the middle of the road safe monied democrat voters who are liberal leaning but not far left enough to want to embrace real glorious socialism, or real racialized politics adopted by fringes on the far left.
 
I still think the wall needs to be more figurative as in stricter enforcement of the border, more stringient I.D. laws, etc. If you really wanna immigrate here, prove it.
 
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