Gotham Knights - plz God no batmobile missionz

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Why exactly did WB go all in with the Suicide Squad?

I said it above, but I believe the reasoning was that they felt that it could be their version of Guardians of The Galaxy. An unknown team turned into stars after one film. The benefit to the Squad being that DC is best known for villains and they can cash in on Harley Quinn merch as she was already an established cash cow. If the film did well, the idea was for it to branch off into solo flicks for Deadshot and other members, which partially came true with Peace Maker.

At first, the idea went well. They started with an animated film connected to Batman Arkham, for some reason, likely marketing, that performed well. The live action film was supposed to be a success after their test run. It came out, got shit reviews and earnings, but luckily Hot Topic bimbos saved it with the shit Harley/Joker merch. Since then, it has been a struggled to make anything of the franchise as Gunn was brought in to save it, yet his film also did poorly. The Harley spin-off was hated and way underperformed, and the second animated film probably did decent.

The game has been in development hell for years though, probably back since the first live action film came out, so it was probably made on assumptions that the series would take off. It didn’t, and only DC shills seem to really care about the new game, so it will probably be a blunder. Hopefully, Rocksteady can tank it and get a Superman title out of it.

Combat looks super slow and dull. Its fucking sad that the last good Batman game came out in 2011. WB has no idea what the fuck it is doing.

2015’s Arkham Knight was still good, just had a shit story. Also Lego DC Supervillains is great if you count that as a Batman title.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Is this what became of that rumored "Court of Owls" game?

just the fact that rocksteady has seemingly vanished after Knight is a pity. i doubt suicide squad will be worth it either. 7 goddamn years. honestly 2015 was probably one of the last great years for gaming overall. Knight hasn't really been topped graphics wise by many games, which is odd considering how old it really is, one of the first high profile non-cross gen games released.

2015 totally was one of the last great years for western gaming, both because it was one of the last years Woke's influence would have been minimal and because it was pre-Fortnite.

The whole western industry has essentially been in freefall since Fortnite, that's the audience they chase and the model they follow with "games as a service", alongside less and less (zero by now?) games that would have started development before Woke and TDS took over.

Nah, I love Batman, but it was time to move on. What should have happened was that Rocksteady developed their Superman title.

I disagree, there's still plenty of room for a Batman game, just make a bigger Gotham, maybe one populated by civilians instead of just criminals, have new takes on the story and villains.

I think it's probably flat out impossible to make a good Superman game, the character is simply too powerful.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

I disagree, there's still plenty of room for a Batman game, just make a bigger Gotham, maybe one populated by civilians instead of just criminals, have new takes on the story and villains.

Sorry, let me clarify. While Batman can still go in a variety of directions, we just got 3 stellar games from Rocksteady. They were clearly fatigued with Batman, so moving on seemed best as to not fall into sequelitis.

DC has a wide range of heroes. It was time to let go of the bat and give someone else a shot.

I think it's probably flat out impossible to make a good Superman game, the character is simply too powerful.

Superman has tons of enemies that are equal or more powerful than him. A Superman game wouldn’t just be Superman fights random crooks. Having a large threat such as Brainiac would probably make for a good game.

Plus, the appeal of Superman would be the traveling by flight over a large city. It would be impressive to see how they manage the character, and I do believe Rocksteady can create a faithful yet fun Superman. Before them, people had little faith in Batman.

 

[JimiHendrix]

aside from jason frog leaping everywhere, i think the game looks fine. you have random crime shit you can do like the spider-man games, which i always wanted in a batman game.

combat looked fine, really not sure why everyone is saying it looks so slow. Arkham was never fuckin' DMC or anything. those games never felt particularly fast to me.

i'm honestly just happy we're getting an open world co-op batman game that isn't fucking lego. they'd have to show something *real* fucked up for me to consider not buying this.

 

[SiccDicc]

It looks like ass. Here was gameplay that dropped 6 days ago that no one on here gave a shit about reporting.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=u3DM2dvP_jo
They gave Knight-wing a fucking Fortnite glider.

Seems they spent too much time nerfing Batgirl's ass than working on the game.

 

[ZMOT]

...can you though? So far all they could do was a soft reboot, a crappy Harley Quinn spin off and a lame Peacemaker TV show.

that's only because bad execution, harley quinn always had a large fanbase and DC arguably the better villains, should be easy with such a foundation.
same thing as star wars which should print money but they drove that shit into the ground.

Wish they made that Damian Wayne batman game instead

they tried that with the batman and robin movie, modern batman needs to be dark, broody and edgy.

Superman has tons of enemies that are equal or more powerful than him. A Superman game wouldn’t just be Superman fights random crooks. Having a large threat such as Brainiac would probably make for a good game.

Plus, the appeal of Superman would be the traveling by flight over a large city. It would be impressive to see how they manage the character, and I do believe Rocksteady can create a faithful yet fun Superman. Before them, people had little faith in Batman.

superman isn't an action character, sure there are a handful villains stronger than him, but what you wanna do, punch brainiac for the whole game? or pull a metroid with kryptonite shenanigans to depower him so mooks don't get evaporated?
superman only works in a very specific context, which was always his problem.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

that's only because bad execution, harley quinn always had a large fanbase and DC arguably the better villains, should be easy with such a foundation.
same thing as star wars which should print money but they drove that shit into the ground.

I don't get how Suicide Squad is what you would base an cinematic universe around instead of the Justice League, though. It isn't like normies give a shit about the Suicide Squad outside of like Harley Quinn.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

superman isn't an action character, sure there are a handful villains stronger than him, but what you wanna do, punch brainiac for the whole game? or pull a metroid with kryptonite shenanigans to depower him so mooks don't get evaporated?
superman only works in a very specific context, which was always his problem.

You probably just have to get creative. Superman is one of those characters that brings tons to work with as much as detractions. Maybe they could have more of a puzzle focus like LEGO, seeing as ice breath, heat vision, super strength, and x-ray vision provide a lot to work with. As mortal as Batman is, he is still pretty much treated like the predator in his games where he is definitely stronger than any foe, which is why those games always struggled with boss encounters, especially for characters like Two Face. A lot of the Arkham series is more puzzle and exploration heavy, which I feel Supes could excel at.

I think Superman can work for a video game, you just need to work with what you’re given. Having battles take advantage of the Kryptonite weakness could make things interesting as Lex charges at you while you need to keep distance, using the terrain along with powers to avoid him. Maybe having a system to fight villains without ripping the city to shreds, some kind of air combo thing or using the right set pieces to restrain could also work in varying combat. Superman could also do public service work as lame as it sounds. Maybe he puts out fires, finds the cat in the tree, etc..

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Origins was the last one I liked -- I hated everything about Knight, from the story to the character designs to the batmobile shit.

I was sorta looking forward to Gotham Knights but pretty much everything that comes out about it kills my interest more and more. Suicide Squad looks retarded but Rocksteady might be able to make a good game, though the other developer they're paired with for the game (Unbroken Studios) gives me pause.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Slightly off-topic, but it pleases me that despite WB struggling to cash in on Harley Quinn, all movies focusing on her have been duds. I don't think any other character represents everything bad about comics the way she does.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Slightly off-topic, but it pleases me that despite WB struggling to cash in on Harley Quinn, all movies focusing on her have been duds. I don't think any other character represents everything bad about comics the way she does.

Agree. Harley is super hit or miss now a days. Surprisingly, Injustice, for all its shit writing, is probably one of the very few times that Harley is not insufferable and acts like her old self, otherwise, the LEGO games and kids cartoons are the only tolerable versions of the character.

The movie universe has no idea what personality to give her and usually just turns her into Gen X girl boss. Her tv show is probably the worst in trying to make her bad ass as she gets painful near the end and most of the show was held up by the supporting cast.

 

[SiccDicc]

The movie universe has no idea what personality to give her and usually just turns her into Gen X girl boss. Her tv show is probably the worst in trying to make her bad ass as she gets painful near the end and most of the show was held up by the supporting cast.

Well that's the issue isn't it? They don't realize that Harley Quinn is a supporting character. She can be a lead, but even then she's a supporting lead.

That's her whole shtick. She had any agency brainwashed out of her by Joker so that she's always dependent on him and loves him unconditionally. She's his supporting cast. That's the joke. Now that I had to explain it, though, it's ruined.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

That's her whole shtick. She had any agency brainwashed out of her by Joker so that she's always dependent on him and loves him unconditionally. She's his supporting cast. That's the joke. Now that I had to explain it, though, it's ruined.

You don’t even need the Joker. Injustice had Batman take that role, and it worked for her. Ivy is another character that really should have been bumped up with Harley as her support. If the Harley Quinn show proved anything, it was that it really should have been about Ivy with Harley as support.

 

[SiccDicc]

You don’t even need the Joker. Injustice had Batman take that role, and it worked for her. Ivy is another character that really should have been bumped up with Harley as her support. If the Harley Quinn show proved anything, it was that it really should have been about Ivy with Harley as support.

Exactly, but the point is that's Joker's joke. She will always need someone to support as her form of dependency. She was a therapist whose job is to support people and he twisted that.

I KEEP RUINING THE JOKE.

Anyways, these faggots will never understand that or properly utilize it. She's not supposed to be girl power or empowered in any way as her job is to empower others; she's a tragic character you should not identify with, twitter.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Exactly, but the point is that's Joker's joke. She will always need someone to support as her form of dependency. She was a therapist whose job is to support people and he twisted that.

I KEEP RUINING THE JOKE.

Anyways, these faggots will never understand that or properly utilize it. She's not supposed to be girl power or empowered in any way as her job is to empower others; she's a tragic character you should not identify with, twitter.

Harley wasn't originally part of the Batman comics, she originated from the Animated TV show. It's why she's been played with a lot in adaptations because she only has history starting from the 1990's. There's a 50+ year gap between her and Joker. You could have made the argument that Harley was Bruce Timm's OC Donut Steel who latched on to one of the more popular characters.

So her getting changed from adaptation to adaptation is not surprising, she didn't even start out in the same medium that the franchise originated in.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Was Arkham Asylum itself the origin of modern, pigtails sporting Harley? I can't think of an earlier appearance where she wasn't dressed in her original jester outfit from TAS.

Origins was the last one I liked -- I hated everything about Knight, from the story to the character designs to the batmobile shit.

I was sorta looking forward to Gotham Knights but pretty much everything that comes out about it kills my interest more and more. Suicide Squad looks retarded but Rocksteady might be able to make a good game, though the other developer they're paired with for the game (Unbroken Studios) gives me pause.

Am I the only one that really likes Arkham Knight?

From what I understand the initial PC release was busted and I'm sure that burned a lot of goodwill and yes, the Batmobile tank sequences are overdone and some aspects of the story are cheesy, but overall I thought it was still pretty dang good, if not as much of a slam dunk as Arkham City.

I mean Arkham City was a really tough act to follow as it's basically one of the best games I've ever played, there was no way Knight was going to reach quite that same height.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Was Arkham Asylum itself the origin of modern, pigtails sporting Harley? I can't think of an earlier appearance where she wasn't dressed in her original jester outfit from TAS.

I believe so? If I can recall correctly, the character wasn’t all that used or important between the end of the DCEU and Arkham games. The games are where most of her modern popularity seems to comes from and that is due to Dini wanting her to come back for it as she was his and Timm’s creation.

Am I the only one that really likes Arkham Knight?

Knight has fantastic gameplay and exploration. The issues really come in the form of the Batman elements. The villains were pretty weak this entry until DLC. Freeze, Croc, Hatter, and Ras should have been base game, but instead we got literal whos like Deacon Black Fire, a fire fighter, Firefly, Pyg, and Hush. Having odd choices isn’t a bad thing, but much of the roster seemed too heavy on them in a way only Beware The Batman could top. Outside of them, the other villains didn’t do shit. Scarecrow was such a massive miss compared to Asylum that it was embarrassing. He was practically a different character and was just a plot excuse for Joker to return. Penguin and Two-Face barely did shit from what I can recall, and Harley was decent as ever. Other than them, I can only remember Ivy, who got a nice story, but again, didn’t do much. That leaves DeathStroke who was butchered by a fucking tank, Catwoman who did nothing and got captured by a pathetic autist somehow, and Riddler who Batman should have left to rot in his self-made cage rather than finding 500 of the autist’s puzzles.

In general, the best writing was given to Pyg and the DLC villains. Freeze honestly made me tear up, which was beautiful, but made me hate how that kind of writing was absent in the rest of the game. Best way to put it, the game got the feel of Batman, but it didn’t get the heart in the same way City or Asylum did. Those games had pretty flawed stories themselves, but they felt a lot more respectful towards the characters.

 

[HeyYou]

Knight has fantastic gameplay and exploration. The issues really come in the form of the Batman elements. The villains were pretty weak this entry until DLC. Freeze, Croc, Hatter, and Ras should have been base game, but instead we got literal whos like Deacon Black Fire, a fire fighter, Firefly, Pyg, and Hush. Having odd choices isn’t a bad thing, but much of the roster seemed too heavy on them in a way only Beware The Batman could top. Outside of them, the other villains didn’t do shit. Scarecrow was such a massive miss compared to Asylum that it was embarrassing. He was practically a different character and was just a plot excuse for Joker to return. Penguin and Two-Face barely did shit from what I can recall, and Harley was decent as ever. Other than them, I can only remember Ivy, who got a nice story, but again, didn’t do much. That leaves DeathStroke who was butchered by a fucking tank, Catwoman who did nothing and got captured by a pathetic autist somehow, and Riddler who Batman should have left to rot in his self-made cage rather than finding 500 of the autist’s puzzles.

In general, the best writing was given to Pyg and the DLC villains. Freeze honestly made me tear up, which was beautiful, but made me hate how that kind of writing was absent in the rest of the game. Best way to put it, the game got the feel of Batman, but it didn’t get the heart in the same way City or Asylum did. Those games had pretty flawed stories themselves, but they felt a lot more respectful towards the characters.

Deacon Blackfire is actually a pretty great and underrated Batman villain who could easily be the main villain of a story if written well, the problem's that Knight completely butchered his character.

 

[White Devil]

I feel like I'm in the minority here but even as far back as when TAS was still airing I thought Harley was a pointless and stupid character. She exists solely to be bossed around by the Joker and nothing else. I think she had agency in maybe two episodes and even then her character was annoying and insufferable. Batman's rogue's gallery had plenty of actual decent women, Harley was never ever one of them.

 

[Mega Black]

The game has been in development hell for years though, probably back since the first live action film came out, so it was probably made on assumptions that the series would take off. It didn’t, and only DC shills seem to really care about the new game, so it will probably be a blunder. Hopefully, Rocksteady can tank it and get a Superman title out of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this developer meant to do a Suicide Squad game after Origins, but then it got canned? It's just not a concept that works great for videogames, and though the villains at DC are a big draw, nobody's going to turn up to watch a movie about Polka Dot Man and some other faggots nobody has ever heard of.

In fact, Harley Quinn is the only marketable character on the Suicide Squad, and they fucked it up this time by making her ridiculously ugly and turning the Justice League into the villains, again. I'm glad that this 'live service' superhero genre shit is crashing as hard as it possibly can, though. The games look and feel completely soulless and this garbage fire looks no different.