Golbats for Equality - SJW Pokemon "Memes"

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Elegantisimo said:
But fiction =/= reality, if the character doesn't fit the writer's narrative then he won't include it, is that simple. So much for freedom of speech.
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People who say this have never written anything in their lives.

You cannot include that much diversity in a single story without straining suspension of disbelief (more or less depending on setting) or overloading your work with pointless details that distract from the story. This is especially true with LGBT+ characters, because you can't have every character go around announcing their sexuality. Let me just list off all the problems you would run into as a writer if you actually tried this:

- A bloated cast.
- Unequal time for many characters because of the above.
- You'd have to decide which one of your special snowflakes gets to be the antagonist(s).
- You have to give them flaws while still portraying them in a positive light.
- Good luck researching all of these minorities because you're obviously a spoiled white girl whose only experience with "oppression" is Tumblr.
- Try not to offend anybody!
- Countless pages wasted talking about shit that isn't relevant to the plot.
- Do you even have a plot?
- You've just spent like 200 pages introducing the main cast with all of their pronouns, sexualities, genders, kin-types and disabilities (not to mention headmates).
- Everyone has stopped reading.
 
CuriousBystander said:
People who say this have never written anything in their lives.

You cannot include that much diversity in a single story without straining suspension of disbelief (more or less depending on setting) or overloading your work with pointless details that distract from the story. This is especially true with LGBT+ characters, because you can't have every character go around announcing their sexuality. Let me just list off all the problems you would run into as a writer if you actually tried this:

- A bloated cast.
- Unequal time for many characters because of the above.
- You'd have to decide which one of your special snowflakes gets to be the antagonist(s).
- You have to give them flaws while still portraying them in a positive light.
- Good luck researching all of these minorities because you're obviously a spoiled white girl whose only experience with "oppression" is Tumblr.
- Try not to offend anybody!
- Countless pages wasted talking about shit that isn't relevant to the plot.
- Do you even have a plot?
- You've just spent like 200 pages introducing the main cast with all of their pronouns, sexualities, genders, kin-types and disabilities (not to mention headmates).
- Everyone has stopped reading.
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Unless you set it all in Victorian England. Then you'll get about as far as the "neurodivergent" shit and things get kinda dark....
 
Elegantisimo said:
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I always thought of it more as a comedic attribute...
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Funny, because you're fine with men existing as stereotypes. See also: The Galbrush Parable.

Merylnn said:
Absolutely not. If you can't tell a two bit con artist from one of your own, you really need to clean up your movement before you start 'suggesting' anything.

But maybe you're just naive and don't understand the problem. Do you know why there's so many white male characters in video games? Especially leads? Because no one cares about them.

A white male can be a lecherous drunk. A woman can't or it's sexist. Sexualizing women and what all. A white male can be a mentally disturbed soldier who's mind is unraveling as he walks through the hell of the modern battlefield. A woman can't or you're victimizing women and saying they're all crazy.

Consider Guybrush Threepwood, start of the Monkey Island series. He's weak, socially awkward, cowardly, kind of a nerd and generally the last person you'd think of to even cabin boy on a pirate ship, let alone captain one. He is abused, verbally and physically, mistreated, shunned, hated and generally made to feel unwanted.

Now let's say Guybrush was a girl. We'll call her Galbrush. Galbrush is weak, socially awkward, cowardly, kind of a nerd and generally the last person you'd think of to even cabin boy on a pirate ship, let alone captain one. She is abused, verbally and physically, mistreated, shunned, hated and generally made to feel unwanted.

Now, you might notice that I've given the exact same description to both of these characters. But here's where things deviate. While no one cares if Guybrush takes a pounding for being, for lack of a better term, less than ideal pirate, Galbrush will be presumed to be discriminated against because of her gender. In fact, every hardship she will endure, though exactly the same as the hardships Guybrush endured, will be considered misogyny, rather than someone being ill suited to their desired calling.

And that ending. She goes through ALL that trouble to help, let's call him Eli Marley, escape the evil clutches of the ghost piratess Le Chuck, it turns out he didn't even need her help and she even screwed up his plan to thwart Le Chuck. Why, it'd be a slap in the face to every woman who's ever picked up a controller. Not only is the protagonist inept, but apparently women make lousy villains too!

And that's why Guybrush exists and Galbrush doesn't. Men can be comically inept halfwits. Women can't. Men can be flawed, tragic human beings. Women can't. And why? Because every single female character reflects all women everywhere.

The horrible truth ls you and Sarkeesian want to craft a box into which you can force every female character into. Some idiotic 'ideal'. Putting aside the stupidity of exchanging one unobtainable role model for women with another, this has the added problem of making all female characters exactly the same. And when all characters are exactly the same, that's boring And boring characters do not sell video games.
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How long until we see somebody redraw female aliens to be less sexist?
 
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"Medical professionals may know diseases, but they don't know their patients' personal experience..." :story: Wow seriously? It's almost as if the guy shares his experiences so the knowable doctor can determine whats going on, among other things. But please tell me how the doctors are supposed to be psychics now...
 
CuriousBystander said:
People who say this have never written anything in their lives.

You cannot include that much diversity in a single story without straining suspension of disbelief (more or less depending on setting) or overloading your work with pointless details that distract from the story. This is especially true with LGBT+ characters, because you can't have every character go around announcing their sexuality. Let me just list off all the problems you would run into as a writer if you actually tried this:

- A bloated cast.
- Unequal time for many characters because of the above.
- You'd have to decide which one of your special snowflakes gets to be the antagonist(s).
- You have to give them flaws while still portraying them in a positive light.
- Good luck researching all of these minorities because you're obviously a spoiled white girl whose only experience with "oppression" is Tumblr.
- Try not to offend anybody!
- Countless pages wasted talking about shit that isn't relevant to the plot.
- Do you even have a plot?
- You've just spent like 200 pages introducing the main cast with all of their pronouns, sexualities, genders, kin-types and disabilities (not to mention headmates).
- Everyone has stopped reading.
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Power level time: As someone worldbuilding for a series of sci-fi novels, I entirely concur.

I'd also like to add a few points, including some observations of SJW mentality:

  • The time it takes to worldbuild makes what you point out even harder yet. If you're creating a setting such as something set in a high fantasy, a science fiction story, or a world with notably different rules/history/etc. than reality, that takes time. Even if it's set in something akin to reality, there is the issue of doing research, which is indispensable for any writer worth their salt. All that SJW crap in the worldbuilding notes would eat up time that is needed to build characterization, politics, world, culture, creatures, etc., as SJWs fundamentally don't care about the structure of stories.
  • The fact that SJW crap is preachy as hell, which pisses off anyone who isn't full-on brainwashed. People don't like preachy stories and soapboxing, because it's an insult to their intelligence. It lacks nuance, so anyone who is on the opposite side immediately doesn't like it. Even otherwise sympathetic-to-SJWs people reject their stories for treating all the readers as if they're retarded paste-eating two year olds.
  • As mentioned earlier, SJWs don't care about actual characterization and depth. They just care about labels. The balancing act of positivity with flaws doesn't happen with their art and writing. Their refusal to possibly offend anyone they perceive as "oppressed" prevents them from treating any minorities as if they are anything other than perfect idols, unless they're treated as betrayers (ie transmedicalists and truscum). Every antagonist and/or villain they make is a strawman, doing evil for the sake of evil.
  • SJWs focus on tokenism. A lot. They don't care about fleshed out characters or realistic numbers in a given population in that place and time, so long as you fill x number of y minorities. They're the ones that post in all seriousness how they love a point Gus makes in the show Psych. Context: Gus, a black character, being offended that there weren't black actors in a play about Jack the Ripper. (The humor of the joke is that it's unrealistic for the setting of the play and he's seeing oppression where there isn't. It's very clearly a joke, even if the character is saying it in seriousness.)
  • Speaking of humor, SJWs are humorless and don't care about context. They don't understand humor and don't laugh. They can't tell jokes to save their lives. They will gleefully treat doggender or headmates or whatever as if it's been around for decades instead of it being a very recent trend of bored special snowflake upper class teenagers who want something interesting in their lives.

I don't mind morals in stories- Animal Farm is essentially discussing the rise of Stalinism and how shitty it was, Harry Potter's about the importance of love and facing death with dignity, 1984 is a warning about totalitarianism, Lolita's pointing out how fucked up pedophilia is and that pedophiles will try to do anything to justify their actions, etc.

In short, it's clear that SJWs don't care about the construction of a good story. They see stories only as a vehicle for preaching their views, but they don't care about nuance or the art of telling a story. Their work suffers for it. SJWs lack the ability to take others' perspectives and are so focused on the narrative and pounding a point home that they miss the point and just enrage everyone who isn't brainwashed.
 
TiredConlanger said:
  • Speaking of humor, SJWs are humorless and don't care about context. They don't understand humor and don't laugh. They can't tell jokes to save their lives. They will gleefully treat doggender or headmates or whatever as if it's been around for decades instead of it being a very recent trend of bored special snowflake upper class teenagers who want something interesting in their lives.
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It's worth noting, this is something that tinges every single SJW discussion of everything ever - they believe wholly that their own relativistic interpretation is always right, irrespective of authorial intent or context. A buxom sorceress character in a game full of ridiculously stylized, heavily muscled, and carefully-engineered characters? Automatically evil and must be banned. A character who is a belly-dancing genie in an arabian setting wearing culturally-accurate outfits? Automatic problematic rating. A female character designed by a woman with practically weaponized sexuality? Supreme evil and must be destroyed. But they'll make excuse after excuse after excuse for works they like. This was shown really nicely in the SJW Art thread, where the same fucking blog that religiously re-designs female characters to be less busty and more practical finds absolutely fucking nothing wrong with the likes of Sayaka's outfit in Madoka, because they like that show.

They've since gone on to try to redesign characters for porn. They made the mistake of pissing off /tg/ in the process, who responded by making them perfect villains for /tg/'s unified setting.
 
Elegantisimo said:
But fiction =/= reality, if the character doesn't fit the writer's narrative then he won't include it, is that simple. So much for freedom of speech.
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Alice and Rosalie could have been lesbian lovers and Jacob could have identified as a transexual goldfish and Twilight still would have been a shit story.
 
... Are we certain these aren't professional trolls?

They have a lack of self-awareness rivaling that of Dobson and fucking Brianna Wu.
 
Elegantisimo said:
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Nobody tries to use "transtrender" and "tumblrina" in a faux-academic, I'm-so-much-more-enlightened-than-you context, though. It's done out of derision. They are making fun of you. You are taking yourselves completely seriously. How retarded are you?

Oh shit, can I still say retarded?

Also, wasn't "meninist" a joke? Why on earth are people still taking that seriously?
 
Meowthkip said:
Nobody tries to use "transtrender" and "tumblrina" in a faux-academic, I'm-so-much-more-enlightened-than-you context, though. It's done out of derision. They are making fun of you. You are taking yourselves completely seriously. How retarded are you?

Oh shit, can I still say retarded?

Also, wasn't "meninist" a joke? Why on earth are people still taking that seriously?
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Because the joke went over their heads.
 
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