Global Depression 2022 - Time to do the Breadline Boogaloo!

[Vince McMahon]

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/agricultural-trade/

U.S. agricultural exports were valued at $140 billion in 2018, a 1-percent increase relative to 2017. Export growth was hampered by reduced exports to Asia, particularly soybean exports. Imports grew by 6 per cent in 2018 to $129 billion. Imports have grown at a faster rate than exports since 2016, driven in part by strong domestic economic growth. These shifts in U.S. agricultural trade produced a trade surplus in 2018 of $10.9 billion, the smallest surplus since 2006.

Just saying. US Agri sector produces food enough to feed the US population 10 times over. You might have inflation and higher food prices but there won't be a famine in the foreseeable future.

 

[Meat Target]

Here, have another kiss of death.

 

[Hippopatumus]

"Inflation is about to drop"
> Because the economy is grinding to a halt
> Rate hikes will only hasten the crash
> Don't worry, it will come roaring back as NATO enters WW3 and they cut rates again

 

[Ow The Edge]

How do you imagine one of the biggest exporters of food in the world letting its populace starve? Unless I'm missing something, of course.

The same way Stalin and Mao exported mass quantities of food during famines that killed millions: force and lies. What else?

 

[Vince McMahon]

The same way Stalin and Mao exported mass quantities of food during famines that killed millions: force and lies. What else?

So you expect that the United States government is going to sell millions of tonnes of food in exchange for technologies/armaments/luxury cars?

Huh?

 

[Ow The Edge]

So you expect that the United States government is going to sell millions of tonnes of food in exchange for technologies/armaments/luxury cars?

Huh?

With the current US government I expect they'll give it away to poorly run shitholes like Pakistan because not doing so would be racist.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

This is just depressing as hell. Sometimes I think even if I survive what's clearly coming I'll just be left a broken old man at the end with no family and friends cause they're all dead from the jab, war, or starvation plus single going into it all

We can both be broken old men together, fren.

 

[Gorilla Tessellator]

tbh when I see the prices you list here for certain food items, my mind is blown. I live on East Coast, and no, I am not going to tell you exactly where , but I pay much more for all of it, and it was like that before inflation. Granted, I buy mostly grass-fed beef and organic chicken, but still... Now, I understand how people can feed a family for $50 per week or something like that. I always thought it must be very poor diet with rice and beans only...

 

[Quijibo69]

"Inflation is about to drop"
> Because the economy is grinding to a halt
> Rate hikes will only hasten the crash
> Don't worry, it will come roaring back as NATO enters WW3 and they cut rates again

Covid-19 BS is coming back, that's why airports are waiting two weeks to drop mask mandates.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

So you expect that the United States government is going to sell millions of tonnes of food in exchange for technologies/armaments/luxury cars?

Huh?

Something even better--Our Democracy. Not jacking food prices in America means the people who hate Our Democracy might have an opening to destabilize the sacred Democracies of other nations, and that would be a Very Bad Thing tantamount to anudda January 6 (but worldwide). We all must #StarveForUkraine (because Putin is literally Hitler, Voldemort, and Thanos combined) and also #StarveForAfrica, #StarveForHaiti, etc. because not doing so would be racist. Didn't you know it's white supremacy to expect a meal on your plate at the end of a day?

But seriously, a lot of American food production goes to producing not-food like ethanol to add to our fuel (which helps keep down fuel prices hence why it's been done for decades), HFCS, and other junk. The economics here will be fascinating, especially with the fertilizer issue we're seeing now and god forbid late/early frosts, flooding, other severe weather, etc.

 

[Kane Lives]

But seriously, a lot of American food production goes to producing not-food like ethanol to add to our fuel (which helps keep down fuel prices hence why it's been done for decades), HFCS, and other junk. The economics here will be fascinating, especially with the fertilizer issue we're seeing now and god forbid late/early frosts, flooding, other severe weather, etc.

Shouldn't be a problem switching those non-food cash crops back to food crops right? I did remember reading about how like 80% of US corn goes to biofuel and HFCS instead and they grow a specially inedible variant of corn.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/13/producer-price-index-march-2022-.html

It's happening

Supplier prices rose 11.2% from a year ago in March, the biggest gain on record.

 

[wopirish]

Man, we are going to no shit have inflation higher than the president's approval rating...... no refunds and no mean tweets.

 

[Thiletonomics]

We all must #StarveForUkraine (because Putin is literally Hitler, Voldemort, and Thanos combined) and also #StarveForAfrica, #StarveForHaiti, etc. because not doing so would be racist. Didn't you know it's white supremacy to expect a meal on your plate at the end of a day?

You can also add #StarveForSriLanka, because their government managed to kill off most of their bread basket, because they got cocky and thought they don't need fertilizer for their crops.

 

[z0mb0]

Biden voters are the number 1 people to blame for this.
If mass starvation does come, take their food and leave them with nothing. They aren't human, they are food.

FTFY bro.

Man, we are going to no shit have inflation higher than the president's approval rating...... no refunds and no mean tweets.

He was coasting on those tweets anyway.

You can also add #StarveForSriLanka, because their government managed to kill off most of their bread basket, because they got cocky and thought they don't need fertilizer for their crops.

you can do amazing things with a hydroponic farm if you set it up say 3-4 months ago.

 

[FatalTater]

Study permaculture. The simpler the better, but it's all interesting.

Also if you have access to any land at all, especially if it gets at least 6-8 hours of sun a day?
Plant a few things. Couple tomato plants, squash, green beans. Maybe some okra if you have room.
If you're new to gardening do not try to feed yourself entirely from it the first year. Aim to grow enough to have a few side dishes.
It helps the mental health to know that if there is no other food, you can at least go get a zucchini to fry up to keep your stomach from hurting.

 

[Ow The Edge]

Study permaculture. The simpler the better, but it's all interesting.

Also if you have access to any land at all, especially if it gets at least 6-8 hours of sun a day?
Plant a few things. Couple tomato plants, squash, green beans. Maybe some okra if you have room.
If you're new to gardening do not try to feed yourself entirely from it the first year. Aim to grow enough to have a few side dishes.
It helps the mental health to know that if there is no other food, you can at least go get a zucchini to fry up to keep your stomach from hurting.

Potatoes are a fairly good choice in most environments too, especially for first timers. A feed decent sized bags, buckets, or pots, some decent soil and regular watering should get you a healthy little crop within a few months. They're incredibly resilient little things, and currently dirt cheap as well.

 

[E. Knee as Weapon - Cont.]

Shouldn't be a problem switching those non-food cash crops back to food crops right? I did remember reading about how like 80% of US corn goes to biofuel and HFCS instead and they grow a specially inedible variant of corn.

Absent coordination from on high, I'm guessing two growing seasons minimum to reorient to edible crops and sort out any supply chain issues, and then who knows what effect that will have on ethanol and animal feed prices.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

I need to jewgle why dairy prices are going up. I was paying 2.25 a gallon of milk a few months ago and now I am up to 3.05.

Had to buy brake calipers and the core price for them was insane, like nearly the price of the refurb I bought. I brought the cores back this weekend and the guy at the counter was like, damn, they really wanted them back (I bought online). Then he went on to explain because of the parts shortage, these companies are increasingly desperate for supply. So like the used car shortage on a smaller scale.

Study permaculture. The simpler the better, but it's all interesting.

Also if you have access to any land at all, especially if it gets at least 6-8 hours of sun a day?
Plant a few things. Couple tomato plants, squash, green beans. Maybe some okra if you have room.
If you're new to gardening do not try to feed yourself entirely from it the first year. Aim to grow enough to have a few side dishes.
It helps the mental health to know that if there is no other food, you can at least go get a zucchini to fry up to keep your stomach from hurting.

Also just look into what grows best in your climate zone. Tomatoes are a real hit or miss where I am because of the short temperature seasons. Varieties explicitly bred for my zone do OK, but forget any other tomato or pepper that isn't specifically bred for the climate. Be sure to buy species and varieties appropriate for your zone.
Learn how to preserve food and I would suggest just watching some larper vids on YouTube like Townsends, for example, because then you will learn how people did this in the past. I've done quite a few things I learned through Townsends like how to make salt pork. It is stupid easy, but I am so removed from the process and need, it was intimidating at first. However, it is actually a fantastic way to preserve meat, just make sure you soak it long enough before adding to a dish. Townsends and other vloggers like him are just informative in general.

Foraging, hunting, fishing, and butchery are other very good skills to have or at least have some knowledge of if you have to do them.

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The Vegetable Garden Pest Handbook: Identify and Solve Common Pest Problems on Edible Plants
The Vegetable Gardener's Container Bible: How to Grow a Bounty of Food in Pots, Tubs, and Other Containers
Balcony Gardening: Growing Herbs and Vegetables in a Small Urban Space
The Organic Gardener's Handbook of Natural Pest and Disease Control: A Complete Guide to Maintaining a Healthy Garden and Yard the Earth-Friendly Way
Edible Wild Plants: A North American Field Guide to Over 200 Natural Foods
Midwest Foraging: 115 Wild and Flavorful Edibles from Burdock to Wild Peach
Mushrooms of the Upper Midwest: A Simple Guide to Common Mushrooms
Shroomers Mushroom Guide Australia: Modern Mushroom Identification
Noongar Bush Tucker: Bush Food Plants and Fungi of the South-West of Western Australia
Nature's Garden: A Guide to Identifying, Harvesting, and Preparing Edible Wild Plants
Edible Mushrooms: A forager's guide to the wild fungi of Britain, Ireland and Europe
Foraging in Eastern Europe: Wild edible plants in Polish traditional cuisine
Yorkshire Forager
Encyclopedia Of Herbal Medicine
Edible Wild Plants of Vietnam: The Bountiful Garden
The Complete Guide to Hunting, Butchering, and Cooking Wild Game: Volume 1: Big Game
The Complete Guide to Hunting, Butchering, and Cooking Wild Game: Volume 2: Small Game and Fowl
The Complete America’s Test Kitchen TV Show Cookbook 2001–2022: Every Recipe from the Hit TV Show Along with Product Ratings Includes the 2022 Season
Home Cheese Making, 4th Edition: From Fresh and Soft to Firm, Blue, Goat’s Milk, and More
Big Book of Preserving: The Complete Guide and Foolproof Recipes to Preserve Almost Everything by Canning, Pickling, Dehydrating, Fermenting, Salting, Smoking
The Bread Baker's Apprentice, 15th Anniversary Edition: Mastering the Art of Extraordinary Bread

It would be kinda cool to have a stickied info thread for this kind of thing because I know lots of other people can add and expand.

 

[Inu Shiba]

Sorry as a history nerd I have to say it's nonsense to try to survive on gardening and foraging in an industrial country. Because population density is far too high. Like in Europe it's like 70 people per square kilometres and 20 in North America, while foraging can sustain at most 0,5-2 persons per km².
A square kilometre of farmland can sustain up to 500 people with high calorie crops like rice, wheats, corn etc. So to say, sustain a family of 5, you would need about 50 x 50 m of land on your estate.