Global Depression 2022 - Time to do the Breadline Boogaloo!

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Who is going to get hit the hardest?

  • North America

  • South America

  • Asia

  • Europe

  • Australia

  • Africa

  • The Middle East

  • Everyone's fucked

  • Nothing will happen


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Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city - or should I say, "our city". I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes.

It might seem odd to you, but it makes perfect sense for us in this city. Everything you considered a product, has now become a service. We have access to transportation, accommodation, food and all the things we need in our daily lives. One by one all these things became free, so it ended up not making sense for us to own much.

In other words, you don't possess anything that you have a personal attachment to. Everything belongs to everyone, and all of it belongs to the State who partitions it out as it deems necessary.

First communication became digitized and free to everyone.

Because it's been either been completely subsidized to the corporations who have everyone's data and can track their every movement and predict their every action, or it's been privatized by the government who can do the same. Got it.

Then, when clean energy became free, things started to move quickly.

Who covers operational costs? Who covers the cost of maintenance and compensation - or out-and-out replacement of material when it breaks down? Or is that simply re-labeled as something else and passed on to the individual that way?

Transportation dropped dramatically in price. It made no sense for us to own cars anymore, because we could call a driverless vehicle or a flying car for longer journeys within minutes.

They actually went with "flying car" - just think about how idealistic these people have to be. More to the point, however, think of just how centralized everyone would need to be to call an autonomous vehicle "within minutes", without any supposed time delay. Think of the partitioning issue above - and how often a person might expect to see a "you have exceeded your transportation limit" message.

We started transporting ourselves in a much more organized and coordinated way when public transport became easier, quicker and more convenient than the car. Now I can hardly believe that we accepted congestion and traffic jams, not to mention the air pollution from combustion engines. What were we thinking?

"Easier, quicker, and more convenient" is simple to reach when you make the alternative harder, slower, and more inconvenient - just saying.

Sometimes I use my bike when I go to see some of my friends. I enjoy the exercise and the ride. It kind of gets the soul to come along on the journey. Funny how some things seem never seem to lose their excitement: walking, biking, cooking, drawing and growing plants. It makes perfect sense and reminds us of how our culture emerged out of a close relationship with nature.

It's a good thing people are so homogeneous that they can be made to conform to a certain lifestyle, isn't it?

In our city we don't pay any rent, because someone else is using our free space whenever we do not need it. My living room is used for business meetings when I am not there.

Oh, ok - so everything is owned by one organization which also controls the utilities and determines what individual space is used for. I wonder how often you find yourself "going to see some of your friends", whether you planned to or not?

Once in awhile, I will choose to cook for myself. It is easy - the necessary kitchen equipment is delivered at my door within minutes. Since transport became free, we stopped having all those things stuffed into our home. Why keep a pasta-maker and a crepe cooker crammed into our cupboards? We can just order them when we need them.

Assuming those items are in stock, assuming they haven't been damaged by the last person to use them (oh yeah, how are damages assessed, anyway?), assuming there isn't a transportation breakdown, assuming you haven't exceeded your allotment for that period...

This also made the breakthrough of the circular economy easier. When products are turned into services, no one has an interest in things with a short life span. Everything is designed for durability, repairability and recyclability.

"A circular economy, as defined in the Save Our Seas 2.0 Act, refers to an economy that uses a systems-focused approach and involves industrial processes and economic activities that are restorative or regenerative by design, enable resources used in such processes and activities to maintain their highest value for as long as possible, and aim for the elimination of waste through the superior design of materials, products, and systems (including business models). It is a change to the model in which resources are mined, made into products, and then become waste. A circular economy reduces material use, redesigns materials to be less resource intensive, and recaptures “waste” as a resource to manufacture new materials and products."

So, can you provide any concrete examples?

The materials are flowing more quickly in our economy and can be transformed to new products pretty easily. Environmental problems seem far away, since we only use clean energy and clean production methods. The air is clean, the water is clean and nobody would dare to touch the protected areas of nature because they constitute such value to our well being. In the cities we have plenty of green space and plants and trees all over. I still do not understand why in the past we filled all free spots in the city with concrete.

No, I guess not - just pie-in-the-sky speculation.

Shopping? I can't really remember what that is. For most of us, it has been turned into choosing things to use. Sometimes I find this fun, and sometimes I just want the algorithm to do it for me. It knows my taste better than I do by now.

So, the concept of "shopping" has been phased out - the ability to idly speculate what one may or may not want, based on short or long term needs or desires? It's just choosing from a list of things that can be "used" and then disposed of - just like the individual. Or, just shorten the process and let the algorithm determine for you - it already does for so much else in your life!

When AI and robots took over so much of our work, we suddenly had time to eat well, sleep well and spend time with other people. The concept of rush hour makes no sense anymore, since the work that we do can be done at any time. It is more like thinking-time, creation-time and development-time.

This is pure futurism talking - "time to do (x)" is a nebulous term in itself, because it can vary based on the individual. "Rush hour" is simply meant to designate a period where groups of workers are moving from one place to another - the work we do that can be "done at any time" sounds like it could also be done by anybody, meaning that the value of the individual worker for their ability is actually pretty low.

For a while, everything was turned into entertainment and people did not want to bother themselves with difficult issues. It was only at the last minute that we found out how to use all these new technologies for better purposes than just killing time.

How fortunate it was found out "at the last minute" - say, without all those worthless individuals who were just taking up space and not contributing enough of value?

My biggest concern is all the people who do not live in our city. Those we lost on the way. Those who decided that it became too much, all this technology. Those who felt obsolete and useless when robots and AI took over big parts of our jobs. Those who got upset with the political system and turned against it. They live different kind of lives outside of the city. Some have formed little self-supplying communities. Others just stayed in the empty and abandoned houses in small 19th century villages.

That's all the commentary these people get - an afterthought.

Once in awhile I get annoyed about the fact that I have no real privacy. No where I can go and not be registered. I know that, somewhere, everything I do, think and dream of is recorded. I just hope that nobody will use it against me.

Look, citizen - just take your soma and follow the instructions given by your superiors and go visit your little friends on your bicycle and choose the things you want to use and worry about the people who do not live in your city and own nothing and be happy.

All in all, it is a good life. Much better than the path we were on, where it became so clear that we could not continue with the same model of growth. We had all these terrible things happening: lifestyle diseases, climate change, the refugee crisis, environmental degradation, completely congested cities, water pollution, air pollution, social unrest and unemployment. We lost way too many people before we realised that we could do things differently.'

"The same model of growth" just really says it all, doesn't it. This is not a lifestyle written by humans, for humans.

Written by:
Ida Auken, Member of Parliament, Parliament of Denmark (Folketinget)

The views expressed in this article are those of the author alone and not the World Economic Forum.

Sure, it's just an opinion piece. But wouldn't it be so much nicer if it were actually real?
 
How is he paid so little? Stopped at a gas station in GA yesterday and they were offering 12-15 /hr for baseline "associates".
Probably because he's bad at economics. That 10% is included in the rising gas price.
i agree, the effective minimum wage is around $11/hr now, meaning any store chain is paying at least that, so unless he's working for a real shithead ma&pa type store he should be getting paid more.
Return to tradition. Return to wood gas.
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with how diesel is going people might actually do this.
I don't really pay that much attention to US politics or watch Tucker at all but this popped up on the youtube front page and I gave it a watch. I don't know why so many people seethe over him, guy seems to talk a lot of sense. TL;DW politicians seem hell bent on dragging the US into another foreign war and are fucking the economy into the dirt in front of your eyes. Buckle up buttercup, its going to be a bumpy ride.

Also god bless that kid from Arkansas at about 21:20, that's a sentiment everyone can get behind no matter where you are from. I guess not all amerimutts are cunts.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1PC7DzTRS7A
Fox News has always been like that, look up how the daily show has treated tucker for years. people seethe because they are told to, simple as.
They're slowly starting to wake up to one of the oldest truths about governance - even their most loyal subjects are likely to feel a bit riotous once the grain stops flowing.
it won't matter if they hire the best security. SA was able to keep the grift going for decades with a 90% coon population, surely the libs will be able to keep from being killed when they only have 12% to worry about.
Will this food crisis solve the obesity epidemic? Only half joking. But tbh, lots of people would have to lose a lot of weight before they're actually "starving".

I actually bought gardening supplies this weekend. Potatoes are stupid easy to grow, as are tomatoes and other vegetables. Only issue I'm going to have is keeping animals out of my garden. I live in an area that has a bunch of rabbits, possums, foxes, raccoons, deer, moles, rats, etc. all over the place, so idk what to really do to keep them out.

I'm thinking about getting a shotgun. I've always been pro-gun but never bought a shotgun after a friend accidentally offed himself when I was a kid. Besides, I live in a super safe area that never has any crime, to the point I keep my doors open and unlocked during the day, and things like "porch pirates" simply don't exist here. But idk... these times have me thinking it couldn't hurt to have one in my closet, just in case.
"hey how can i keep dozens of pounds of meat off my property" apparently you haven't played This War of Mine, when SHTF those critters are your easiest pick for meat.
same thing that's been happening. it's not going to be spectacular, it's not going to be full communist. it will become more and more expensive to own property and more and more difficult to pass it on to your heirs.

of course this just makes owning a house and passing it on to your heirs even more desirable because it's a status symbol. same thing that happens when governments make it difficult and shitty to drive.

and then there will be a correction because nobody went to 10 years of wonk grad school to get the job to run all this shit so that they can raise a kid in a pod.

people want to make comparisons to commie revolutions in third world countries but it's retarded because we're not a third world country.
a third of our population comes from third world countries. we're as much a third world country as obama is a nigger. No one would call Obama a cracker. yet he's as white as the US is currently.
Uncle Paul himself has said firsthand that racking the action does not deter an attacker. He had to kill someone after that.

And lookie here, the Zergs are panicking:
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Uncle Pauls a child molester.
 
Gas is almost $5 a gallon here. I mentioned how at least there are no mean tweets, and got a lecture on how Gas is actually Oil and Oil prices are going down so it's not Biden's fault it's the guilty oil executives scamming us out of money, but I'm a T-Rump Supporting Pubic Hair so I wouldn't understand that.

Maybe at $7 a gallon he'll be willing to listen to reason.
 
The real gardening redpill is realizing plants are made of the nutrients they require, and that tilling your soil is the dumbest thing you can possibly do. What does that mean? It means you pile up dead plant corpses in your garden at a high rate, which #1 reduces weed pressure by 90%, holds in the moisture = less need for watering, and attracts worms, and other insects to increase the soil drainage through the tunnels they make, as the hundreds of plant corpses break down everything they were made of, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, etc. all end up back into your soil. Weeding becomes easier over time because the decayed organic matter make the soil looser/fluffier. You are also building a network of beneficial fungi as well.

Even industrial scale agriculture shows the benefits of no-till growing. https://www.no-tillfarmer.com/articles/6068-no-till-vs-never-till-whats-the-difference

You are doing less work and getting so much more in return, all you have to do is keep your soil covered with a layer of dead plants. The plant doesn't really matter, unless it's walnut leaves or something that has active plant killing compounds in it. You no longer need to think about compost "ratios" and other tedious things. Just trimmed your tomato plants? Raked some leaves? Don't take any of that material out of your garden just throw it on the ground, and let nature do it's thing. Slowly you'll begin to realize just how much free fertilizer is out there.

TL;DR: PLANTS ARE MADE OUT OF WHAT PLANTS CRAVE!
 
The real gardening redpill is realizing plants are made of the nutrients they require, and that tilling your soil is the dumbest thing you can possibly do. What does that mean? It means you pile up dead plant corpses in your garden at a high rate, which #1 reduces weed pressure by 90%, holds in the moisture = less need for watering, and attracts worms, and other insects to increase the soil drainage through the tunnels they make, as the hundreds of plant corpses break down everything they were made of, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, etc. all end up back into your soil. Weeding becomes easier over time because the decayed organic matter make the soil looser/fluffier. You are also building a network of beneficial fungi as well.

Even industrial scale agriculture shows the benefits of no-till growing. https://www.no-tillfarmer.com/articles/6068-no-till-vs-never-till-whats-the-difference

You are doing less work and getting so much more in return, all you have to do is keep your soil covered with a layer of dead plants. The plant doesn't really matter, unless it's walnut leaves or something that has active plant killing compounds in it. You no longer need to think about compost "ratios" and other tedious things. Just trimmed your tomato plants? Raked some leaves? Don't take any of that material out of your garden just throw it on the ground, and let nature do it's thing. Slowly you'll begin to realize just how much free fertilizer is out there.

TL;DR: PLANTS ARE MADE OUT OF WHAT PLANTS CRAVE!
where do you live? cause no-till in the PNW just makes a feast for slugs. I still do it cause I'm lazy but I'm not trying to feed myself that way

permaculture techniques are fine if you're growing veggies for personal use and sometimes even for market gardening. but as an ideology it's bunk. it's all mixed up with anthroposophy and anti-capitalist primitivism.

The Green Revolution is why we have over 7 billion people on the planet. Without those technologies, most of humanity will die.

Some people are fine with that but don't lie to yourself about what it's all about.
 
where do you live? cause no-till in the PNW just makes a feast for slugs. I still do it cause I'm lazy but I'm not trying to feed myself that way

permaculture techniques are fine if you're growing veggies for personal use and sometimes even for market gardening. but as an ideology it's bunk. it's all mixed up with anthroposophy and anti-capitalist primitivism.

The Green Revolution is why we have over 7 billion people on the planet. Without those technologies, most of humanity will die.

Some people are fine with that but don't lie to yourself about what it's all about.
I guess that's why there are designated bread basket areas in the USA, you can't grow everywhere. If you live there you'll see no-till farming growing corn, beans, etc. Saying no-till is bunk is incorrect. Whatever "Permaculture" is I have no idea, and I think you misunderstand what I'm getting at. No-till is used on a massive scale. Growing corn at however many tons per acre does require inputs, but they are reduced over time, because you don't lose topsoil, and a few other benefits from not tilling. Guaranteed a lot of the corn you eat, and that's used in the food system, was grown with no-till.

I wasn't commenting on the modern agriculture system, I was just suggesting a way to garden that's easier (for those that don't live in some wet, slug hellhole), it would probably work even better in dryer regions, because it really cuts back on the watering. You can grow lots of potatoes with grass clippings (shrug). If you live in a swamp it's probably not going to work. I guess try to live where the land/climate is good, like closer to these green areas.
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a third of our population comes from third world countries. we're as much a third world country as obama is a nigger. No one would call Obama a cracker. yet he's as white as the US is currently.
Earth is the 3rd world from the Sun so all countries on Earth are 3rd world countries.
 
Chicken -- the cheap shit, just literally a plastic bag with chunks of thigh or breast meat -- is up to $11 a 3 pound bag. I used to be upset it if went over $5.99.
 
Gas is almost $5 a gallon here. I mentioned how at least there are no mean tweets, and got a lecture on how Gas is actually Oil and Oil prices are going down so it's not Biden's fault it's the guilty oil executives scamming us out of money, but I'm a T-Rump Supporting Pubic Hair so I wouldn't understand that.

Maybe at $7 a gallon he'll be willing to listen to reason.
These retards really don't get WHY greedy oil executives scam us out of money.
It's because they saw an opportunity and took it.
If they didn't. They wouldn't do it.

It's such a simple fucking concept that they apparently ignore on purpose, it's almost comical.
 
Gas is almost $5 a gallon here. I mentioned how at least there are no mean tweets, and got a lecture on how Gas is actually Oil and Oil prices are going down so it's not Biden's fault it's the guilty oil executives scamming us out of money, but I'm a T-Rump Supporting Pubic Hair so I wouldn't understand that.

Maybe at $7 a gallon he'll be willing to listen to reason.
Damn...haven't seen gas as cheap in the UK for a while now..

1 us gallon = 3.7854 litres

So if diesel is now around £1.80 ( some places pushing £2, some already charge more than £2 per liter)
So £1.80 x 3.7854 = £6.81372 per gallon which would be approximately $8.98

Not sure if I should laugh or cry but this shit cray 😖
 
Chicken -- the cheap shit, just literally a plastic bag with chunks of thigh or breast meat -- is up to $11 a 3 pound bag. I used to be upset it if went over $5.99.
You’re going to see northern European prices. Scandi living cost levels. 10 dollar gas, as routine, with higher peaks. Meat? Chicken being 20 dollars a kilo, beef being 30 a kilo for even the cheapest stuff. Veg being scarce in winter, and poor quality/elderly outside of a brief season. Prices seem to have gone up a lot in the USA, but the cost of basic goods there is still a lot cheaper than Northern Europe.
 
The spammers at work have started sending us ads for ballistic armor.

Including ballistic armor for a server room.

I don't know what China knows but I'm sure I don't like it.
 
I guess that's why there are designated bread basket areas in the USA, you can't grow everywhere. If you live there you'll see no-till farming growing corn, beans, etc. Saying no-till is bunk is incorrect. Whatever "Permaculture" is I have no idea, and I think you misunderstand what I'm getting at. No-till is used on a massive scale. Growing corn at however many tons per acre does require inputs, but they are reduced over time, because you don't lose topsoil, and a few other benefits from not tilling. Guaranteed a lot of the corn you eat, and that's used in the food system, was grown with no-till.

I wasn't commenting on the modern agriculture system, I was just suggesting a way to garden that's easier (for those that don't live in some wet, slug hellhole), it would probably work even better in dryer regions, because it really cuts back on the watering. You can grow lots of potatoes with grass clippings (shrug). If you live in a swamp it's probably not going to work. I guess try to live where the land/climate is good, like closer to these green areas.
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Thank you so much for sharing it.
 
Don't know how badly wester Europe will be impacted by potential shortages but even at the start of the pandemic it was impossible to buy some staples in the UK. This was before any supply issues and driven purely by consumer panic.

I'm going to slowly stock up on dry/canned goods so I have enough to at least last out any short term shocks. Don't want to get caught with my pants down like during the pandemic.
 
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At this point it’s inevitable due to how much debt we’ve taken on since the pandemic and the amount of money we’ve printed. The fact that it hasn’t happened already is kinda a miracle imo. But when it comes it’ll come hard.
Consider this added nugget:

One of the best weapons the government will have in stopping or slowing this implosion will be using the media to reassure consumers and, with any luck, slowly finding a least-painful way out of the economic death spiral.

Except... They spent the past 6 years destroying the media's credibility to spite Trump.

I know, lol NPCs programmed by CNN and all that, but when the shit really hits the fan and people start panic buying food, for example, will they be able to use CNN / MSNPC / Fox News / etc to convince people to stop? When that fails, what options do they have left? Rationing? Price controls? Nationalizing the massive amounts of farmland China and Gates have bought up?
 
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