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Release the GIMP: Glimpse project founded to avoid branding that some find offensive
By Tim Anderson 28 Aug 2019 at 13:50
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GIMP is capable open source software, but is the name a barrier to adoption?

GIMP is capable open source software, but is the name a barrier to adoption?
Interview Glimpse is a fork of the popular open source image editor, GIMP, created primarily to offer the software under an alternative name.
GIMP is a longstanding project, first announced in November 1995. The name was originally an acronym for eneral Image Manipulation Program but this was changed to GNU Image Manipulation Program.
The new fork springs from a discussion on Gitlab, where the source code is hosted. The discussion has been hidden but is available on web archives here. A topic titled "Consider renaming GIMP to a less offensive name," opened by developer Christopher Davis, stated:
I'd like to propose renaming GIMP, due to the baggage behind the name. The most modern and often used version of the word "gimp" is an ableist insult. This is also the colloquial usage of the word. In addition to the pain of the definition, there's also the marketability issue. Acronyms are difficult to remember, and they end up pronounced instead of read as their parts. "GIMP" does not give a hint towards the function of the app, and it's hard to market something that's either used as an insult or a sex reference.
The proposal was supported by another developer, Leonora Tindall, who noted that "I have, on two occasions now, recommended this program to photography and graphic design educators (as an alternative to Photoshop) who told me that they considered it and found it good as software but weren't permitted by their institution to use it in the classroom because of the name."
Others opined that changing the name of long-established software would hurt its recognition and usage. The discussion became bad-tempered and caught the attention of Bobby Moss, whose day job is a technical writer at Oracle.
"I'm a long-standing user of the project," he told The Reg. "I saw the abuse and unpleasant things being said to Chris. It was decidedly not cool and not how we should make decisions in free software. I also thought the arguments he made were well reasoned, not focused so much on the offensiveness of the name but on the marketability of the application."
Moss therefore forked the project into a new one called Glimpse.
"Initially I thought it was just going to be a quirky project on my own private GitHub but people expressed enthusiasm for it. It's evolved now into this new thing where you’ve got multiple people running it, myself, Chris who originally posted the issue, and another woman called Clipsey … it's all kind of ballooned out from there."
The subject of the suitability of the name is not new, and is enshrined in the official FAQ:
"I don't like the name GIMP. Will you change it?"
With all due respect, no. We’ve been using the name GIMP for more than 20 years and it's widely known … on top of that, we feel that in the long run, sterilization of language will do more harm than good. … Finally, if you still have strong feelings about the name "GIMP", you should feel free to promote the use of the long form GNU Image Manipulation Program or maintain your own releases of the software under a different name.
The Glimpse project is therefore entirely within the spirit of open source. "We believe free software should be accessible to everyone, and in this case a re-brand is both a desirable and very straightforward fix that could attract a whole new generation of users and contributors," says the About page.
The team wish to continue using the upstream GIMP project libraries and are asking for donations to GIMP as well as Glimpse.
The developers are planning more than just a name change, including a "front-end UI rewrite" according to an update posted a week ago. The team is looking at screenshots of existing image editing application user interfaces to inform design mockups. There is also a discussion about language choices. Rust with GTK (Gnome Toolkit) bindings, perhaps? C++ and Qt?
Changing the user interface is more challenging than changing the name. We wonder if it is all a little too much to take on?
It is "a long-term plan, maybe a few years down the road," says Moss. "It's something people are looking at in parallel. The main focus at the moment is just tracking the upstream releases, and making changes to them. When we hit GNU image manipulation program version 3, they'll have completed their port to GTK 3, and that's where we are looking to do a hard fork and can start getting more ambitious with user interface changes.
"A lot of the functionality is actually in a set of libraries. Those components would still be used and any changes we made to them would be contributed back.
"Even if our project falls flat on its face, at least we've brought new people and new interest to a code base that's been out for a while and probably needs a bit more love from the community than it currently enjoys." ®
 
It's always about the packaging, never about the content. Well, the content sucks too, and I find it offensive having to use GIMP because I fucking hate it.


"Even" Krita?

What's wrong with Krita? :(

Well, the developers being arrogant assholes aside (mentioned this on the open-source thread),

I admit the software is pretty good. So, on hindsight, I shouldn't have said "even".

But, I use Mac (I know apple, but I'm stuck with them at the moment), and it's outright unusable there so I went with Clip Studio Paint instead. Krita is amazing if it works in your machine, but, personally, I have had to endure so many stability headaches, even on windows, that I just stopped bothering with it.

Plenty of artists that I admire use Krita so I know it can be pretty good.
 
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Well, the developers being arrogant assholes aside (mentioned this on the open-source thread),

I admit the software is pretty good. So, on hindsight, I shouldn't have said "even".

But, I use Mac (I know apple, but I'm stuck with them at the moment), and it's outright unusable there so so I went with Clip Studio Paint instead. Krita is amazing if it works in your machine, but, personally, I have had to endure so many stability headaches, even on windows, that I just stopped bothering with it.

Plenty of artists that I admire use Krita so I know it can be pretty good.

They're not wrong though.
 
They're not wrong though.

Maybe so, but Clip Studio Paint is free of all those issues, so I am biased at working with something that is stable from the get-go regardless if it's "commercial" or not instead of begging the developers to fix things.

I will avoid getting into software debates by saying It's just personal preference. Krita hasn't worked for me, but I'm sure it works great for some other people.
 
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Well, the developers being arrogant assholes aside (mentioned this on the open-source thread),

I admit the software is pretty good. So, on hindsight, I shouldn't have said "even".

But, I use Mac (I know apple, but I'm stuck with them at the moment), and it's outright unusable there so I went with Clip Studio Paint instead. Krita is amazing if it works in your machine, but, personally, I have had to endure so many stability headaches, even on windows, that I just stopped bothering with it.

Plenty of artists that I admire use Krita so I know it can be pretty good.
how would you rate IrfanView?
 
Well, the developers being arrogant assholes aside (mentioned this on the open-source thread),

I admit the software is pretty good. So, on hindsight, I shouldn't have said "even".

But, I use Mac (I know apple, but I'm stuck with them at the moment), and it's outright unusable there so I went with Clip Studio Paint instead. Krita is amazing if it works in your machine, but, personally, I have had to endure so many stability headaches, even on windows, that I just stopped bothering with it.

Plenty of artists that I admire use Krita so I know it can be pretty good.
Oh, I didn't know that. That sucks a lot. I've used and supported Krita since it has a lot of flexibility with the brushes and tools for many styles and I haven't had stability problems using it with a machine that's considered beastly for 2014, but the feminine side of me screams that there might be something better out there (but it sure as hell isn't Photoshop because of Adobe's payment plan bullshit.)

I was actually considering Clip Studio Paint next since it's one of the few fucking design softwares that didn't cost my mortal soul, it's only like fifty bucks. If you don't mind, pitch me that software.

Don't worry about the Apple comment, I fucking know your pain; If I ever started my own business in anything related to design software, the first mantra in neon letters on the walls would be "Burn all Apple products on sight" followed by "Adobe is Satan."
 
Looked at the github, literally nobody cares. It's just a handful of surface level changes to documentation/branding.
Nobody will remember this even existed in a month's time.

(Also, none of the dozen or so changes that happen to the GIMP mainline every day have been merged in to this fork since the day it was created, so it's now a month behind in terms of bug fixes and feature work.)
 
These folks wanting a rename are way overly sensitive. I just did a startpage.com and qwant search - and GIMP came up as the image editor.
If this continues all the useful words will be deemed offensive because some sensitive little flower will get all upset. Truly exceptional.
And we will all be speaking Arabic, because none of that is offensive.
 
It's the typical bullying these kinds of people just love to do, they don't really actually care about the name. It just gives them another target. They're just assmad now because they've been told that nobody cares and their usual strategies of harrassment and crybullying won't work.
 
(Also, none of the dozen or so changes that happen to the GIMP mainline every day have been merged in to this fork since the day it was created, so it's now a month behind in terms of bug fixes and feature work.)
This is the biggest indicator that the guy is just doing this as a publicity stunt and has no intention of properly maintaining a fork. The minute you stop paying attention to what the "source" project is doing, you shift the entire burden of bug fixes and new features directly onto *your* back and you can no longer blame "upstream" for any problems your users discover.

Even the folks running the MariaDB fork of MySQL still track what the bastards at Oracle are doing with MySQL to try to stay in parity with features. I think even the tools and client protocol remain mutually compatible between both forks as well despite their diverging feature sets. That's how you run a fork properly. This is just a joke.

I imagine the installed user base for this fork is currently zero and will likely stay that way forever. I agree with your prediction -- this will be memory-holed within weeks.
 
Even though I don't like GIMP because of how bloated it is, I doubt that the people complaining about the name 'GIMP' don't even use the program.
 
I’ll be honest, I thought gimp was just a BDSM term and not something offensive.
You've never heard someone make fun of "that kid with the gimpy leg?" It's a legacy term for a crippled or handicapped appendage, with a gimp being the person owning said handicap. I guess it's a more folksy word for crip and crippled, that wasn't stigmatized as strongly. Then the sexual definition took over and had prominence for decades.

Just pirate Photoshop, they actually WANT you to use it. All the real licensing comes from businesses, not individual private users.
 
I was actually considering Clip Studio Paint next since it's one of the few fucking design softwares that didn't cost my mortal soul, it's only like fifty bucks. If you don't mind, pitch me that software.
CSP is made for digital art in mind and it comes with fancy knick-knacks like the perspective ruler; on Photoshop, I would have to make and calculate all the grids by hand.
 
CSP is made for digital art in mind and it comes with fancy knick-knacks like the perspective ruler; on Photoshop, I would have to make and calculate all the grids by hand.
Hot damn, that alone sounds really useful. Does it happen to have a symmetrical, customizable multibrush tool like Krita does? Do brushes create a single, consistent layer during a single stroke until you start another? (dunno if there's a word for it, but many brushes in Krita have this neat detail that during one stroke, the color/transparency doesn't start stacking on top of itself until you start a new stroke, so for example a partially transparent grey won't start creating a darker/opaque shade as you stroke back on top of itself until you lift the brush and go back down, and some brushes stay consistent even between strokes)
 
Hot damn, that alone sounds really useful. Does it happen to have a symmetrical, customizable multibrush tool like Krita does? Do brushes create a single, consistent layer during a single stroke until you start another? (dunno if there's a word for it, but many brushes in Krita have this neat detail that during one stroke, the color/transparency doesn't start stacking on top of itself until you start a new stroke, so for example a partially transparent grey won't start creating a darker/opaque shade as you stroke back on top of itself until you lift the brush and go back down, and some brushes stay consistent even between strokes)
There are brush customization options that effect density and opacity. I'm not quite use to them yet as I'm used to how Photoshop does it (which for the record, contrary to popular belief, wasn't made for digital painting).
 
There are brush customization options that effect density and opacity. I'm not quite use to them yet as I'm used to how Photoshop does it (which for the record, contrary to popular belief, wasn't made for digital painting).
But no multi-brush? :(

And yes, I am well aware of how much Photoshop wasn't intended for digital painting, and in my opinion, still isn't.
 
My spider sense is tingling.

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Always. Always.

There are almost no women in software development. If it's some stupid fantasy/anime/outdated name parents would never use like leonora it's always a tranny. Always. The funny thing is these low effort trannies look like your typical 90s nerd who often also had long hair, adding to the confusion. (at least for fossils like me) Also it's only fossils like me who actually remember the term gimp being used. we also called people just plain re-tarded.

Also isn't photoshop one of these software as a service things because they couldn't figure out how to staple new features onto a new version without making it look like a complete bullshit money-making scheme? How do you even pirate those?
 
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