UN Germany recognizes intersex as a gender - Just wait til the troons make this about them

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Germany’s top court has called on the country’s parliament to legally recognize a ‘third gender’ which allows intersex people to identify as neither male nor female. Germany could become the first European country to allow a third gender on birth certificates.
The current law on civil status discriminates against intersex people as it rules out “the registration of a gender other than ‘male’ or ‘female,’” the Federal Constitutional Court said in a ruling on Wednesday. The German parliament should introduce new provisions into current legislation by December 31, 2018, it said.

The court made its ruling in favor of an appeal brought earlier this year by an intersex person whose name hasn’t been revealed in the German media. The person was registered as female but chromosome analysis showed that the plaintiff was neither male nor female. The person brought the appeal to the top court after several lower courts had ruled against the bid for gender change in the birth register.

“Even if this person chose the option ‘no entry’ [for gender], it would not reflect that the complainant does not see themself as a genderless person, but rather perceives themself as having a gender beyond male or female (sic),” according to the ruling. Civil status is not “a marginal issue,” but rather a “position of a person within the legal system, as stated by the law,” the statement said. The German constitution does not require civil status to be “exclusively binary in terms of gender,” it added.

Germany’s Third Option activist organization has hailed the court’s decision. “We are completely overwhelmed and speechless. That's a small revolution in the gender area,” the group wrote on Twitter.

Beschluss und Leitsatz vom #BVerfG findet ihr hier: https://t.co/xeNsUXSJ7R#dritteoption

— Dritte Option (@DritteOption) November 8, 2017
According to the UN, intersex people are born “with sex characteristics that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies.” Intersex traits can be “visible at birth” while in others “they are not apparent until puberty,” the agency says. Between 0.05 and 1.7 percent of the world population has intersex traits. “The upper estimate is similar to the number of red-haired people,” UN experts say.

In 2013, Germany became the first European country to allow parents of babies born with no clearly-defined gender characteristics to leave the ‘male/female’ field on birth certificates blank, creating a ‘third sex’ category in the public register. The law prevents parents from making hasty decisions on controversial genital surgeries for their newborns.

https://www.rt.com/news/409219-germany-intersex-from-birth/
 
A gender beyond male of female? These people really think they are moving society forward, don't they?
In this case, it's not really a bad thing. Intersex individuals suffer from a genital birth defect and it's for the best that they don't receive surgery days after leaving the womb. It's normal in the US and other nations to cut and snip until you're happy with the results.
 
Is Germany getting better?

Why aren't the kebabs putting up the Police of Vice and Virtue? We need these Saudi moral guardians to keep Germany from getting even more degenerate. Yes you read it right!

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Really, the krauts are sinking to levels below even the average :islamic: .
 
Well, I guess on a sort of bright of things it has to do with chromosome abnormalities but this is definitely gonna be viewed more broadly than just that...
 
I've heard it argued that recognizing intersex as a gender is not really possible since intersex conditions can be pretty broad and can range from chromosome issues to just ambiguous genitalia. But feelings I guess.*sigh*

A very small portion of the population has intersex conditions. You're not likely to run into them flaunting their "beyond male or female identity" anywhere but Tumblr (where most are attention whore teens with normal chromosomes). But we still have to be inclusive for that tiny minority. But i can see it being taken advantage of by snowflakes too.

In this case, it's not really a bad thing. Intersex individuals suffer from a genital birth defect and it's for the best that they don't receive surgery days after leaving the womb. It's normal in the US and other nations to cut and snip until you're happy with the results.

In the case of after birth surgery I agree. It should be up to the individual to decide what to do when they are old enough.
 
I've heard it argued that recognizing intersex as a gender is not really possible since intersex conditions can be pretty broad and can range from chromosome issues to just ambiguous genitalia. But feelings I guess.*sigh*
At least it is a family of genuine physical differences. It's reasonable to say it deserves some recognition.
 
I'm starting to think we're reliving another version of the "Progressive" era of the early 1900's. History repeating itself and all that. :(
 
How is being intersex a separate "gender"? I thought gender identity was about lived experience and separate from your physical sex.

Oh, right. Postmodernism. There is no objective truth, so there's no such thing as facts or lies, so there's no reason to be consistent with your arguments.
 
Intersex has always had a rigid medical definition, and saying you identify as intersex is like saying you identify as a paraplegic, but it's pretty clear that won't stop people from doing it anyway.
 
I've heard it argued that recognizing intersex as a gender is not really possible since intersex conditions can be pretty broad and can range from chromosome issues to just ambiguous genitalia. But feelings I guess.*sigh*

It seems like a medically relevant condition, at least when it has a physical basis. If some urogenital issue comes up a doctor would at least know things weren't "normal" down there and maybe to get a specialist.
 
According to the UN, intersex people are born “with sex characteristics that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies.” Intersex traits can be “visible at birth” while in others “they are not apparent until puberty,” the agency says. Between 0.05 and 1.7 percent of the world population has intersex traits. “The upper estimate is similar to the number of red-haired people,” UN experts say.

So like literally three people across the seven states on the west coast? This sounds more like a birth defect rather than a "gender".
 
So like literally three people across the seven states on the west coast? This sounds more like a birth defect rather than a "gender".
It is a birth defect that happens to affect the genitals. I don't really see an issue with allowing "Intersex" to be an option on a passport, but it goes without saying: This should not be made accessible to snowflakes who want it purely on the basis of wanting to be special and win the oppression olympics.

I thought gender identity was about lived experience and separate from your physical sex.
How Can Genders Be Real If Our Genitals Aren't Real?
 
One time I saw either on wordpress or some tumblr blog some intersex person who thought the intersex were the ONLY TRUE AND HONEST 'trans' people.
 
How is being intersex a separate "gender"? I thought gender identity was about lived experience and separate from your physical sex.

The Reuters article in the OP is shit.

The case is about municipal birth registers, which record sex, not gender.

The status quo is that birth registers record "the child's sex" ("das Geschlecht des Kindes", §21 PStg), except if the child is neither unambiguously male nor unambiguously female, in which case the form field in question simply remains empty ("Kann das Kind weder dem weiblichen noch dem männlichen Geschlecht zugeordnet werden", §22 PStg).

Reading the law in context, it's obvious that the law is talking about apparent anatomical sex here, i.e. the field will say "boy" if you clearly have a peen, "girl" if you clearly have a cooch, and nothing at all if you're physically deformed and do not clearly have either. It's not about chromosomes; it's not about androgen sensitivity; it's not about undescended testicles; it's exclusively about what people can tell just from looking at your crotch with their naked eyeballs.

The ruling we're talking about here simply orders that instead of being blank the form field in question should say "intersex" or "undecided" something to that effect in the future. Apparently some intersex person felt offended by the fact that they had no sex at all according to their birth certificate, got turned down by the administrative courts, and appealed their case all the way up to the Constitutional Court.
 
How is being intersex a separate "gender"? I thought gender identity was about lived experience and separate from your physical sex.

Oh, right. Postmodernism. There is no objective truth, so there's no such thing as facts or lies, so there's no reason to be consistent with your arguments.

Intersex is really rare, like 0.18%. And there are human hermaphrodites (Also rare) who would be considered intersex. So it'd work for that amount of people (a lot of the conditions that people say are intersex are not. They are genetic male and female defects).

And Yes, post modernism. The bastion of hypocrisy and the enemy of science and common sense. It'd be hilarious if they let you put your own gender. Imagine trying to do a census or any scientific study. Fucking lol.
 
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