Genshin Impact

[Magicat]

I got one from giving it pyro thingies, but I don't think there's more on the island, and I have no idea where Natlan is.

This is the fun part if you don't mind ignoring story quests for a while. Venture west through the unmapped lands from Monstadt till you get there.

Or you could try to swim, but the summer isle's a huge ocean from the mainland.
There's no real rush to 100% it, btw. I'm sure it's here to stay.

 

[LucasSomething]

I think I may have gotten it in some random pull. I have to check my inventory when I get home.

This is my roster:
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Yeah, I have to farm, but I'm trying to get 100% exploration in the summer island thing, so I've been busy with that. I'm currently at 97% and I need a pyro key for the achievements, how do I get?

Xinqiu (hydro boy) is on ineffa's banner so when you get a 4* there is 50% chance of being one of the 3 in there. All his cons (dupes) are good upgrades. You can give him 3* harbinger of dawn (free crit) or 3* skyrider sword (energy) for now, his BiS is the gacha sacrificial sword (resets skill cooldown -> 2 skills -> double energy).

I think you should unlock a direct teleport to Natlan once you finish Liyue storyline and reach AR 28. If you get ineffa or citlali you'll have to farm a boss and some mats there. You get color keys from finding oculus and giving to the statue, i think the shrine chests give more gems than other chests too.

Btw this is not obvious and never said officially but the "100% exploration" in genshin is a lie. It will say 100% and there will still be chests, challenges, ocutulus, secrets etc. It's probably meant to give you some lenience for the sake of achievements but you can't trust it.

At best you can comb the area with the interactive map or the treasure compass (reputation quest) but the first can be incomplete and the second doesn't show truly hidden chests (like digging spots). You can only do a few rep quests per week so it will take a while but the compass is permanent.

Oh yeah, i know this is too much at once but try to do liyue reputation quests until you unlock the condensed resin resin. It lets you convert 40 resin into up to five consumables that count as 40x5 resin. This means you can farm domains 2x faster (spend 40 instead of 20) and bank resin for the next day if you don't feel like playing today or the material you want is not avaiable. Seriously, do not miss this, it makes your life waaay easier.

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Condensed_Resin

I cannot believe hoyo didn't make this a base feature. At least natlan will finally let you spend 40 resin at once without condensed (it only took them 5 years).

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

I recently started the Liyue quest line, but I keep getting sidetracked. I started exploring the ice mountain, and now I remember when I quit Genshin. That stupid mountain is horrible to traverse.

 

[Magicat]

Probably unpopular opinion: I wouldn't recommend spinning Ineffa for a new player, given the upcoming roster of characters in version 6. There's some big names there and you'd kick yourself if you end up running out of spins and aren't using irl money.

 

[Clancee]

That stupid mountain is horrible to traverse.

Ah yes, all the homies hate Dragonspine because of the Frostbite mechanic (if it's called something else I can't be bothered to check). I thought they'd add something similar for Sumeru's desert, which thankfully they didn't.

It's been years, Dragonspine has not been relevant in years, and you don't find that mechanic anywhere else. I don't think anybody would notice or even care if they just removed it entirely.

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

Ah yes, all the homies hate Dragonspine because of the Frostbite mechanic (if it's called something else I can't be bothered to check). I thought they'd add something similar for Sumeru's desert, which thankfully they didn't.

It's been years, Dragonspine has not been relevant in years, and you don't find that mechanic anywhere else. I don't think anybody would notice or even care if they just removed it entirely.

I get that they were trying to emulate BotW, but in BotW you had clothing and food to keep yourself warm. I guess they didn't want Nintendo to come knocking.

Another thing WuWa got right in Mt. Firmament. No stupid cold mechanic.

 

[LucasSomething]

I recently started the Liyue quest line, but I keep getting sidetracked. I started exploring the ice mountain, and now I remember when I quit Genshin. That stupid mountain is horrible to traverse.

It's wild how unfriendly dragonspine is considering it's right besides monstat. At the start you probably have no good units for exploring there. Wind Traveler can't break cryo shields, Amber and xiangling cannot break ice shields without burst, kaeya can't do shit, lisa is too weak, barbara skill wets you so you get hypothermia faster and enemies freeze lock you, etc.

I only got it done early cause i got Diluc and bennet. I recommend returning with better healers and pyro units.

Probably unpopular opinion: I wouldn't recommend spinning Ineffa for a new player, given the upcoming roster of characters in version 6. There's some big names there and you'd kick yourself if you end up running out of spins and aren't using irl money.

I agree, there are safer and easier to get value 5* but no one knows when they'll return and beginners. You can't tell someone to skip every pyro unit and wait for mavuika. Xinqiu and fischl on banner is high beginner value too. Out of current patch, Chasca is probably the easiet to get value for a beginner. Can fly, only needs rainbows to do good damage and actually shoots through wall and shit leting you cheese fights.

Rate my first 5* tier list chat. Two is more about not being burst reliant with raiden as exception but she gets the free fishing spear.

(edit: Note this is an attempt of "recommended FIRST 5* / Beginner 5* tier list", not how how i perceive powerlevels)

 

[Magicat]

Rate my first 5* tier list chat

I don't like Yelan being ranked high despite being easy. Xingqiu fills her role, and she's a limited banner character... (potentially costing upwards of 25k primogems). (can pick a free Xingqiu every Chinese new year)

I don't recognise the character between Ayaka and Kiinich.

I get that they were trying to emulate BotW, but in BotW you had clothing and food to keep yourself warm.

There's just this: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Goulash

Any version 1 players clarify:
Was Dragonspine there on launch or was it the first expansion? I joined late, but from I'd gathered the game would guide you to make some strides in Liyue before tackling it. You'd have Noelle to break & make shields by then.

 

[Clancee]

In BotW you had clothing and food to keep yourself warm

Was a bit off in my earlier post, the frostbite DOES appear somewhere else (don't worry, you're a long way away so I won't spoil) but it's such a non-issue it might as well not exist.

It's funny, actually. Early Genshin really had a lot of things ripped straight from BOTW, and others where they at least TRIED to make it just different enough. There IS a certain food that helps with the frostbite, but it's such a hassle to get. First, you need to complete a certain world quest to get the recipe, plus you need a certain ingredient you can only find on the mountain. And on top of that, it doesn't actually keep you warm. It just makes the frostbite accumulate a bit slower, so depending on your point of view, it can be completely useless.

Any version 1 players clarify:
Was Dragonspine there on launch or was it the first expansion.

Dragonspine was added in 1.2, and Noelle could be useful, but not everyone carried her and the frostbite would accumulate faster if you fell in the water and stuff like that.

 

[ZMOT]

Was Dragonspine there on launch or was it the first expansion? I joined late, but from I'd gathered the game would guide you to make some strides in Liyue before tackling it. You'd have Noelle to break & make shields by then.

it came out in 1.2, three months after release. klee was the second 5* banner in 1.0, so plenty of people whaled for her if they didn't want/couldn't get diluc. even then you could use amber just fine which everyone has access to. 1.1 had john lee, so almost everyone had access to shields.

tbh that dragonspine hate is way overblown, there's a fucking torch every 5 meters, the moments it actually becomes an issue are few and far between, and then you just had to adapt accordingly. if people can build meta-teams for abyss, they should be more than able to figure out how to not get fucking killed in the cold.

 

[Dollar Store Sentai]

Why you gotta hurt me with Yoimia being on the bottom rung? AND my boy Albedo...

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

tbh that dragonspine hate is way overblown, there's a fucking torch every 5 meters

It's a hassle when you're fighting and there isn't a torch nearby. I've had this happen a couple of times. Also, even if you can light one with pyro, unless you can do it quickly, it sucks. Since I got ching chong girl with bear thing for pyro, if there's enemies close to a torch, the bear focuses on them and not the torch.

I get this place was probably made for the earlier pyro units like Klee and Diluc, but there's no need to hinder exploration with such a shit mechanic.

 

[Twin Addler]

Holy shit I can't believe it I actually killed a Dire boss. At first I was tryharding with Freedom Sworn Kazuha, Atk sands PJC Xingqiu, HP Sands First Great Magic Yelan but then I swapped to Hu Tao, ER Sands Skyward Blade Xingqiu and ER Sands Elegy Yelan and actually got the clear. I know Cactus has the lowest HP of all the bosses and I'm hard carried by owning the shill Ineffa but fuck it I'll still be satisfied I killed even one Dire boss.

I'm still surprised I killed with Hu Tao the washed outdated 1.X dps instead of with Kazuha or Sucrose hyperbuffing the shilled element and reaction more + making my Hydros even stronger with offensive sands.

Now I'm gonna go bald trying to see how possible the other bosses are. The worst part is I see Dire clears with c0r1 Mavuika in this c6 Chevreuse team but my Iansan's c1 and Ororon's c5 both of them are one con away from giving a 30% atk buff. But I think this is still my best team because Citlali's with Skirk and I don't own Xilonen. Maybe I can try and see if the Hu Tao team can clear with Fav Yelan so Ororon can use Elegy.

 

[LucasSomething]

I don't like Yelan being ranked high despite being easy. Xingqiu fills her role, and she's a limited banner character... (potentially costing upwards of 25k primogems). (can pick a free Xingqiu every Chinese new year)

I don't recognise the character between Ayaka and Kiinich.

The thing is that a beginner might not even have xinqiu for a while, especially not a c6 one (where he gets +3s and energy refund) and "wait for new year" is a wacky thing to tell them. Even then hydro is a premium element and a second xinqiu is always useful. Hp scaling is easier to build, hits harder than him, can use 3* slingshot, one fast charge shot, use hydro res, skill is great for exploring (one of the few that recharges stamina while you dash), much better particle generation (4/10 vs 5/21), etc.

Xinqiu is still competitive because the sword protection wets around, gives 24% DR and stagger resistance is so busted it forces every normal attacker to be balanced around him (why does it heal too??? It's such an overloaded kit for a release 4*).

That one is Lauma, deer woman who is coming in nodkrai. She's a bloom specialist and still in beta but so far she's looking like a great support (imo anyway, i could be wrong).

Why you gotta hurt me with Yoimia being on the bottom rung? AND my boy Albedo...

Yoimiya can do ok damage but being completely immobile (her strongest atk is the final arrow) and single target makes her more limited and hard to pull of. Very weak burst too. Not helped by mavuika being braindead op and so many pyro dps options, including xingling.

Man, i love albedo but a lower end geo subdps that does nothing against shields did not age well (escofier is stronger, automatic, heals, double shreds in proper team and cryo enables). If you're a beginner you missed his 4* event sword so you already lost his best 4* weapon, hoyo really fucked his future wanters.

 

[Twin Addler]

It's wild how unfriendly dragonspine is considering it's right besides monstat. At the start you probably have no good units for exploring there. Wind Traveler can't break cryo shields, Amber and xiangling cannot break ice shields without burst, kaeya can't do shit, lisa is too weak, barbara skill wets you so you get hypothermia faster and enemies freeze lock you, etc.

I only got it done early cause i got Diluc and bennet. I recommend returning with better healers and pyro units.



I agree, there are safer and easier to get value 5* but no one knows when they'll return and beginners. You can't tell someone to skip every pyro unit and wait for mavuika. Xinqiu and fischl on banner is high beginner value too. Out of current patch, Chasca is probably the easiet to get value for a beginner. Can fly, only needs rainbows to do good damage and actually shoots through wall and shit leting you cheese fights.

Rate my first 5* tier list chat. Two is more about not being burst reliant with raiden as exception but she gets the free fishing spear.

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Ehh I'd put Skirk higher. Just cause Skirk will still carry you even with just Xingqiu Dahlia Mika. And Zhongli lower cause I don't believe in pulling a 5* for a shield when Layla, Thoma, Lan Yan all work fine.

And Jean will probably be the best standard depending on how much they spam this mechanic. Since you'll just replace Sucrose or Kazuha with Jean to deal with this and lose Sucrose / Kazuha buff but keep VV. It's honestly weird they're introducing this in 6.0 when none of the 3 new 6.0 units deal with this.

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

30 pulls and a Vila jumpscare

I can save up for Kassandra.

 

[ZMOT]

It's a hassle when you're fighting and there isn't a torch nearby. I've had this happen a couple of times. Also, even if you can light one with pyro, unless you can do it quickly, it sucks. Since I got ching chong girl with bear thing for pyro, if there's enemies close to a torch, the bear focuses on them and not the torch.

I get this place was probably made for the earlier pyro units like Klee and Diluc, but there's no need to hinder exploration with such a shit mechanic.

amber's baron bunny taunts, just put one down and shot the torch. also helps with fatui and other mobs.

people make a bigger deal out of it than it is about the only zone you can't just rolfstomp through.

 

[LucasSomething]

Ehh I'd put Skirk higher. Just cause Skirk will still carry you even with just Xingqiu Dahlia Mika. And Zhongli lower cause I don't believe in pulling a 5* for a shield when Layla, Thoma, Lan Yan all work fine.

This is a list based on my idea of "most valuable 5* for a beginner". Ganyu for example is not that meta nowadays but having a strong archer who can cheese mobs is very useful. I swaped skirk and ayaka last minute cause i found out skirk passive is A4 meaning she's not going to yolo wreck at level 40 with barbara and kaya. Mika's atk speed is A4 too and requires 40k hp, no newbie is reaching that. Being team limited makes her bad for exploration too imo. Ayaka is probably still lower than skirk tbh but i'm kinda biased because she was my first limited.

Thoma c0 has godawful energy issues, every 4* has low uptime or does nothing else. Zhongli is good because people early on can't survive and he simply trivializes every boss and domain until high world level. Universal shred includes physical (phys dps zhongli lol) and meteor is a cheap panic button. Has a very easy early boss that he counters too.

Same thing with the standard 5*, i put diluc first because he's simply very solid for someone with no good dps which was my case.

It's honestly weird they're introducing this in 6.0 when none of the 3 new 6.0 units deal with this.

Even weirder, i think it's on the lunar charge side of 6.0 abyss where you want Ineffa but she can't heal... I wonder if they'll change it.

 

[Twin Addler]

This is a list based on my idea of "most valuable 5* for a beginner". Ganyu for example is not that meta nowadays but having a strong archer who can cheese mobs is very useful. I swaped skirk and ayaka last minute cause i found out skirk passive is A4 meaning she's not going to yolo wreck at level 40 with barbara and kaya. Mika's atk speed is A4 too and requires 40k hp, no newbie is reaching that. Being team limited makes her bad for exploration too imo. Ayaka is probably still lower than skirk tbh but i'm kinda biased because she was my first limited.

Thoma c0 has godawful energy issues, every 4* has low uptime or does nothing else. Zhongli is good because people early on can't survive and he simply trivializes every boss and domain until high world level. Universal shred includes physical (phys dps zhongli lol) and meteor is a cheap panic button. Has a very easy early boss that he counters too.

Same thing with the standard 5*, i put diluc first because he's simply very solid for someone with no good dps which was my case.



Even weirder, i think it's on the lunar charge side of 6.0 abyss where you want Ineffa but she can't heal... I wonder if they'll change it.

I think judging pull priority based on how useful they are at low ar isn't that important. Domains and everything overworld can be cheesed with food or coop. And speedrunning AR is pretty quick now with all the permanent content. Recommended pulls for a new account should be characters that will eventually help their account once they reach AR45 and start farming.

But I'm also only thinking at the perspective of fast tracking a new account into comfortably clearing Abyss then Menacing SO then Fearless and ignoring exploration and overworld.

 

[Hammr2]

not mine but to each their own

Idk, it's off putting enough for me real bad that I decide for Canta & her sig instead, then saving til Eru Condo Ru Pa sa and Galbrena.

Multi-billion dollar company needs to reinvest their money into hiring better writers to tighten up the script, and hire animators/camera people to make the scenes more engaging to watch.

All the money are now being made into more animated trailers and music/theme song for new limited 5* characters now just like ZZZ.
Phainon and Ineffa are the start for HSR and Genshin.

Imagine two or three years ago and telling this is Genshin.

Oh, you thought ZZZ's Seed is the only bootleg Rei Ayanami. Turns out, Ineffa is also that. Tbf, the mech isn't that bad for me, minigun is really jarring though.
But but, Fontaine robot guards and Sumeru high tech. Maybe Natlan should have just gone further by actually integrating old Dragon technology instead of lost civilization, night kingdom yada yada and tribes. Probably go full Wakanda wouldn't be this bad for entire mismatch direction between art style, fantasy and technology.

Nod-Krai Fatui is gonna have mini tanks and "battle"ships. It's fine if Snezyhana being the high tech, but at least keep that the whole nation theme rather than SUCH DANGER FROM DELUSION POWER and FATUI HARBINGER. It's such a lame FF14 Garlean army wannabe turn around.
Imagine sending bunch of losers using "self-destruct" fake magic for espionage and diplomacy onto different countries. Meanwhile, safest and high power technology is using "at home".
Fontaine even has "airplanes" and Khaenrinah with Ruin Drakes, I don't see why Fatui can't even have planes or even bombers if they wanna be that edgy.


Edit: Not sure what other get for survey. This one for me. There was also asking for male character design with categories: shorts, pants, leg rings and short socks. The female one also has pantyhose option at the end.