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The Nothingness said:
It's being reported that MJF was confronted by a Mexican fan at his hotel after ripping off Mistico's mask. Neither got physical and MJF reportedly laughed the whole thing off.
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That's a non-story and whoever is reporting on it should kill themselves. "Fan talks shit to wrestler" isn't a report.
 
Rick The Stick said:
That's a non-story and whoever is reporting on it should kill themselves. "Fan talks shit to wrestler" isn't a report.
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Penguin Soldier said:
Just like that report last year about Don Callis having super mega heat in AAA to the point a fan threatened him...which was later found out to be bullshit.
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It spreads the idea that AEW is edgy when it's actually safe edgy like people who think one of the most counter cultural things you can be is a Rick and Morty or Deadpool fan.
 
Penguin Soldier said:
Considering how ass modern UFC is, they could use some tips from Pro-Wrestling. The sportification of MMA makes it so boring. No one wants to see Dagestani grappler #42 vs Mohammed-Ishmale-Habib regardless of if they are "the best in the world" at scoring points on the ground and going to decision. Skill is an important aspect of MMA, but if you are going to put that shit on TV for people to watch, how entertaining it is takes precedent.

Rampage, Tito, Lidel, Couture, Wanderli, Sakuraba, etc, all had unique looks, personalities, and styles. It's not a coincidence that the golden age of MMA was the time period when the scene was filled with colorful, larger than life fighters. PRIDE FC was the greatest MMA promotion of all time, because it was created by a Pro-Wrestler who mixed MMA action with Pro-Wrestling presentation.

But hardcore MMA fans are legit the dumbest fanbase on earth who think "if you want entertainment go watch WWE" is an epic own, and are convinced that the actual problem is the UFC is too much like WWE despite how little sense that makes.
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I miss the ropes. I firmly believe the cage just turns MMA in to a grappling contest.
 
CapricornusRex said:
I miss the ropes. I firmly believe the cage just turns MMA in to a grappling contest.
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The pay out system, point scoring and officiating could be easily changed to help with that.

- Integrate the PRIDE card system. Fighters stalling against the cage, on the ground, or generally putting on a boring fight get hit with a yellow card and get 10% deducted from their pay. Same for low blows, eye pokes, cage grabbing, etc. 3 yellows is a DQ.

- Fights that end in a finish (KO/TKO/Sub) get a bonus to the winner's pay out.

- Knees and elbows to fighters on the ground should be 100% legal no bullshit requirements with the numbers of limbs touching the ground. Kicks and stomps should also be legal, but that's not gonna happen because of the state athletic commissions being fags.

- Effort to finish the fight should factor heavily into scoring and just wrestlefucking your opponent with no advancement towards finishing the fight shouldn't be scored at all.

Pro-Wrestling exists because shoot amature wrestling is boring as fuck to watch. MMA under the universal ruleset causes UFC to be boring as fuck to watch. That's why WWE mogs UFC in ticket sales and viewership. TKO bought WWE to use its profits to make up for UFC's losses.
 
Chad Holdenford said:
His business acumen worked for wrestling because it is very much a character-driven entertainment method first and foremost, with the competition aspect being "just" a piece of the whole thing. This doesn't work for actual competitive non-scripted sports for obvious reasons.
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considering the fact UFC is more a more niche product then WWE is id say Vince made the right move, even now with them both being under TKO WWE is a more successful product, UFCs consumer base is mostly gymbro white dudes while WWE can appeal to pretty much any racial group,either gender, or really most subcultures can be drawn to it because its basically the same as watching a TV show, actual Sports doesn't have the reach story-based entertainment does, there is cross-over as a lot of wrestling fans regularly like things like American Football and Basketball, but theres also just as many Weeaboos and more nerdy types that are into wrestling
CapricornusRex said:
I miss the ropes. I firmly believe the cage just turns MMA in to a grappling contest.
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imo UFC is pretty fucking boring, i remember the early days of twitter where Dana White would just get into drawn-out arguments with random wrestling fans who didn't like UFC, like he was incapable of understanding its a completely different product
 
Chad Holdenford said:
Thank goodness he did not purchase it. Early UFC was kinda "kitschy" in that it had legit martial artists of all kinds and they all wore their respective traditional attires - Gi, wrestling leotards, etc.. Vince would have seen it and turned it into a glorified WMAC Masters in no time, and it would have gone the way of the World Bodybuilding Federation and the original XFL.
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Most of that bullshit was appeasement for the Gracies who insisted on being able to wear their gi.

By the time the UFC was on Shane's radar, they had moved past that.

Chad Holdenford said:
His business acumen worked for wrestling because it is very much a character-driven entertainment method first and foremost, with the competition aspect being "just" a piece of the whole thing. This doesn't work for actual competitive non-scripted sports for obvious reasons.
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Look up the World Martial Arts Federation. Vince tried, but the martial artists didn't want to kayfabe lose.
 
Caddo Cobgang said:
UFCs consumer base is mostly gymbro white dudes while WWE can appeal to pretty much any racial group,either gender, or really most subcultures can be drawn to it because its basically the same as watching a TV show, actual Sports doesn't have the reach story-based entertainment does, there is cross-over as a lot of wrestling fans regularly like things like American Football and Basketball, but theres also just as many Weeaboos and more nerdy types that are into wrestling
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The only category UFC beats WWE in by a wide margin is sponsorships, that's it's advantage in terms of business. In 2024, the amount of sponsorship revenue the UFC pulled in was double the WWE's because wrestling fans are an unfavorable demographic to advertisers. Which is truthfully insane when you consider that WWE sales 10x the amount of tickets and viewership UFC does every year. Wrestling fans are viewed stereotypicaly as stupid and poor, while white male gymbros are in "the key demo" and are what advertisers dream of.
 
Chad Holdenford said:
His business acumen worked for wrestling because it is very much a character-driven entertainment method first and foremost, with the competition aspect being "just" a piece of the whole thing. This doesn't work for actual competitive non-scripted sports for obvious reasons.
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Really? Then why did Muhammad Ali start making more money when he copied Gorgeous George's act? Fans want villains to hate no matter the sport. The ones who get paid the most are the ones who recognize it, and lean in to it. You can have characters and be successful in any sport, you just gotta make sure your sport isn't fixed like pro wrestling.. and basketball.. and football.

Penguin Soldier said:
The only category UFC beats WWE in by a wide margin is sponsorships, that's it's advantage in terms of business. In 2024, the amount of sponsorship revenue the UFC pulled in was double the WWE's because wrestling fans are an unfavorable demographic to advertisers. Which is truthfully insane when you consider that WWE sales 10x the amount of tickets and viewership UFC does every year. Wrestling fans are viewed stereotypicaly as stupid and poor, while white male gymbros are in "the key demo" and are what advertisers dream of.
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It's wild how advertisers hate pro wrestling. How can they pretend like Macho Man didn't make Slim Jim something worth paying attention to?
 
Well Intentioned said:
Look up the World Martial Arts Federation. Vince tried, but the martial artists didn't want to kayfabe lose.
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This is what that project ended up becoming after the WWE stopped being involved.

Caddo Cobgang said:
imo UFC is pretty fucking boring, i remember the early days of twitter where Dana White would just get into drawn-out arguments with random wrestling fans who didn't like UFC, like he was incapable of understanding its a completely different product
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UFC would be more entertaining if so many fights didn't end in judge's decision. It feels like they've focused too much on safety and not enough on entertainment.
 
Paradox Mystic said:
UFC would be more entertaining if so many fights didn't end in judge's decision. It feels like they've focused too much on safety and not enough on entertainment.
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because the UFC is kind of responsible for the wellbeings of the fighters, thats why Nevada is so autistic about all the fucking rules.
 
This will not be hyperbole.

If Goldberg wins against fucking WALTER, I'll quit watching WWE for a very good while. They got me in a bad position ever since that janky Wrestlemania, but if that shit happens with WALTER, one of the very few athletes that actually has an aura in the ring, I'll stop watching altogether and focusing on the old events instead.
 
Nicholas II of Russia said:
This will not be hyperbole.

If Goldberg wins against fucking WALTER, I'll quit watching WWE for a very good while. They got me in a bad position ever since that janky Wrestlemania, but if that shit happens with WALTER, one of the very few athletes that actually has an aura in the ring, I'll stop watching altogether and focusing on the old events instead.
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considering the fact Gunther just won it back I strongly doubt Goldbergers is winning, I don't think its a drawn out thing like Cena's retirement tour its just going to be another short Goldberg match and considering the fact its in Atlanta I think its even more likely Goldbergs retirement match
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Caddo Cobgang said:
considering the fact Gunther just won it back I strongly doubt Goldbergers is winning, I don't think its a drawn out thing like Cena's retirement tour its just going to be another short Goldberg match and considering the fact its in Atlanta I think its even more likely Goldbergs retirement match
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The fact they already hotshot the belt on a episode of RAW does not bode well
 
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