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Kermit the Frog said:
Jericho as the first AEW champion was the right move since he was the only "mainstream" name in the company, but once his reign was over he should have taken a backseat and been more of a mentor to younger guys while occasionally getting involved in more important things as the respected veteran. Instead, he was constantly putting himself out there to be the center of attention in increasingly retarded gimmicks routinely beating guys half his age. Then he has the temerity to act like he's doing them a favor because they got to work with him, what a crock of shit. Nobody wants to see an old man pretend he's young. Nobody cares about his crappy boomer band. Jericho is delusional.
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The weird thing is, Jericho initially seemed to understand the assignment and played an old-school chickenshit heel. That segment where he and the rest of the Inner Circle hazed Cody from the audience only to be chased down and beaten up in the skybox stands out as one of my favorite segments in early AEW. Honestly, if he were to retire from the ring entirely and act as a Jimmy Hart type of manager, I think he'd be much more over in the company than he ever was an an active competitor.
 
Caddo Cobgang said:
Bret is my personal GOAT for a reason, in-ring hes probably top 3, shame WCW didn't treat him as big of a deal as they should have and then the Goldberg incident
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Love when they claim Bret was already disinterested in wrestling. The Owen Hart tribute match with Benoit is dimes.
It all went to shit because WCW was running so obviously on cocaine. It should have just been Bret wrestling normal matches.
 
James X Maxwell said:
The Miz is a consummate company man and is probably one of the best talkers in the business but he can never ever have a handle of how to wrestle and work a crowd like Danielson did
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I loved Bryan, but Miz was proven right by time. Smart wrestlers don't pander to smart crowds. They perform for everyone. Bryan's career ended in an embarrassing manner, his last "storyline" being worked shoot nonsense wherein he flops like a fish after being pinned to tease a neck injury (oh yeah, and he lost it to Mox during this never-ending Death Riders thing that will go down in history for the wrong reasons). I mean, I'm not a Miz fan, and I was firmly in Bryan's corner during that whole Talking Smack segment, but Bryan had nothing to say to the Bingo Hall comment... and then Bryan proved Miz right. He went back to the Bingo Hall with his friends, and he played to the smark crowd. Miz went back to the major leagues and performed for the worldwide audience.
 
I don't understand why smarks get mad when a wrestler loses. Wrestling needs a winner and a loser. It's a work. It's like getting upset that a character in a movie loses a fight

Work rate matters, but very little. You just need to be competent in the ring and can overcome lack of it with good aura/charisma. For example, Warrior was complete shit in the ring but still was at the top of the industry and would've been longer had he not had shitty booking and had he not been a complete pain in the ass to deal with
 
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Freezing Blue Gnu said:
History repeats itself. He turned himself into Hulk Hogan.
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Through this, I pointed out to a friend how much our culture has degraded.

Jericho is the modern Hogan, The Bucks are the modern Hall & Nash. Compare the inherent "coolness" factor, as well as comparing their levels of financial/pop culture success.

History doesn't just repeat, it also reveals.
 
Caddo Cobgang said:
guy couldnt lose if he tried, he was the only tough enough winner to not get released after 2 weeks then goes onto have a hall of fame career, beating John Cena in the main event of WrestleMania at the height of SuperCena (although he was overshadowed by The Rock in that instance) and a 2x WWE Champion with several midcard and tag title runs, and he will always be remembered as the guy who BTFOed Bryan and the Smark Movement, so yeah even though people will probably forget him 10 years after he retires he won in the end.
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I hope one of the /pw rapefugees has the Miz copy/pasta with all the different quotes of wrestlers respecting him.
 
Virgil19 said:
Smarks aren't real. The only difference between a casual mark and a 'smark' is that one of them has heard of Dave Meltzer.
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There's a difference between Tony Khan type fans and O'Shea Jackson Jr. type fans. I'd say the former is a smark and the latter a casual fan. The line is probably fantasy booking and getting into gossip online.
 
Xavier Renegade Angel said:
Trips was never a draw
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PS1gamenwatch said:
This version of Triple H failed to civilize Mantaur so he failed. And Mr. Perfect kept stealing his women. Double failure. Oh let's not forget his first Wrestlemania. Triple Failure. FFF.
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Fucking Johnny B. Badd stole his woman, and he got tossed into a pigsty with an open wound on his back courtesy of Henry O. Godwinn. If one believes in multiverses or alternate timelines, there may be at least one where Paul Levesque is unceremoniously given his best wishes in his future endeavors and Lord knows what he would do of his life, having left nothing but a fancy-pants Wrestlecrap-worthy gimmick as his mark in pro wrestling.

Thankfully he made friends (and a wife) in high places, ditched the foppish persona in favor of pure crass badassery, and started swinging a sledgehammer.
 
Chad Holdenford said:
Fucking Johnny B. Badd stole his woman, and he got tossed into a pigsty with an open wound on his back courtesy of Henry O. Godwinn. If one believes in multiverses or alternate timelines, there may be at least one where Paul Levesque is unceremoniously given his best wishes in his future endeavors and Lord knows what he would do of his life, having left nothing but a fancy-pants Wrestlecrap-worthy gimmick as his mark in pro wrestling.

Thankfully he made friends (and a wife) in high places, ditched the foppish persona in favor of pure crass badassery, and started swinging a sledgehammer.
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Jinder Mahal still gets booked, and even had an ok run in Mexico before he went back to WWE, so there's a chance we would have still heard of Terra Ryzin/ Hunter H. Helmsey popping around the big indies and abroad.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Warrior was complete shit in the ring but still was at the top of the industry and would've been longer had he not had shitty booking and had he not been a complete pain in the ass to deal with
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I don't know if even Vince McMahon could replicate your dynamic, Hulkster. Warrior was cool, but eventually wrestlers have to evolve or they become Sean Waltman.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Warrior was complete shit in the ring but still was at the top of the industry and would've been longer had he not had shitty booking and had he not been a complete pain in the ass to deal with
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Ehhhhh.... I don't know about that one. For all the shit he catches, Golden Era Hulkster was actually a really good worker. He didn't do a million holds, but he sold the shit out of everything and it looked like the big ugly dudes he went against were pounding the absolute piss out of him. I ultimately think people would have grown tired of Warrior no matter how he was booked. It's kind of the same problem WCW had with Goldberg, a guy who just runs in an steamrolls everyone is only entertaining for so long.

I think some of the problem is good worker =/= doing a large variety of moves and spots, and there are some people who think it does because of Meltzer pushing it. Randy Orton, for example is a phenomenal worker. Doesn't botch, makes his shit look silky smooth, hits shit out of nowhere, tells a story in the ring etc.

I think if you look at all the guys that WWE has had on top for the last decade or so, Cena, Orton, Punk, Reigns, Rhodes, Rollins, Bryan. They almost universally are able to tell a story in the ring, don't seem like they're just rushing from spot to spot and make the shit they do look good, even if they don't do a huge variety of moves.
 
Solomon Bundy said:
I loved Bryan, but Miz was proven right by time. Smart wrestlers don't pander to smart crowds. They perform for everyone. Bryan's career ended in an embarrassing manner, his last "storyline" being worked shoot nonsense wherein he flops like a fish after being pinned to tease a neck injury (oh yeah, and he lost it to Mox during this never-ending Death Riders thing that will go down in history for the wrong reasons). I mean, I'm not a Miz fan, and I was firmly in Bryan's corner during that whole Talking Smack segment, but Bryan had nothing to say to the Bingo Hall comment... and then Bryan proved Miz right. He went back to the Bingo Hall with his friends, and he played to the smark crowd. Miz went back to the major leagues and performed for the worldwide audience.
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>AEW is a bingo hall fed
Winning the world championship of the #2 promotion in North America and Europe and then dropping it to another top guy and then walking away while you still can is at least a positive? ending for Danielson.
If he gets his neck sorted out he will be back in the fed training down in NXT or eventually doing a rematch with Miz or Punk down the road
The Miz meanwhile is relegated to working in the midcard with his last proper PPV match was five minutes in the Rumble and winning the tag belts with R-Truth at WM40
 
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