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COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST said:
Hogan was great in the ring and threw great worked punches
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its funny how workrate marks put down hogan ring style. he wrestled safe and he still ended with a fucking busted to hell back. dude got over on looks and charisma but he totally could work. id take that over flippy dudes like darbi or retards doing strong style. osprey needs to pace himself better or he will fuck himself up dynamite kid style. and thats a fact, jack.
 
COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST said:
Hogan was great in the ring and threw great worked punches when he was motivated to put in the effort. The problem is he was usually more interested in the booking and money than the in-ring content.
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blablabla said:
its funny how workrate marks put down hogan ring style. he wrestled safe and he still ended with a fucking busted to hell back. dude got over on looks and charisma but he totally could work. id take that over flippy dudes like darbi or retards doing strong style. osprey needs to pace himself better or he will fuck himself up dynamite kid style. and thats a fact, jack.
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Check out his work in Japan, he did more stuff.
 
Franz Joseph said:
Shane Douglas will always be remembered for two things, that one promo he did in ECW, and bitching about how the Kliq buried him in the WWF in every shoot interview he's ever done.
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Don't forget his hatred of Ric Flair. There's a promo Ric Flair eventually cut on Shane Douglas that absolutely annihilated him in the end so I think even Shane Douglas hopes people forget that he was hate-riding Flair's dick for years.

I think it was covered in the OSW Review's David Arquette arc (to narrow down which show it was from), it was one where Flair has the ref hold the ropes for him and he talks about how that's an honor reserved for real world champions. Glorious stuff.
 
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The Nothingness said:
Malenko, Guerrero
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It's funny, because awhile back I was watching a video going over all of Guerrero's matches in ECW, and literally every single one of them had him up against Malenko in some way or another. Most were singles matches, but there were a few multi-man tag matches where Guerrero was on one side and Malenko the other. It became comedic, before going back to underwhelming.
 
beautiful person said:
It's funny, because awhile back I was watching a video going over all of Guerrero's matches in ECW, and literally every single one of them had him up against Malenko in some way or another. Most were singles matches, but there were a few multi-man tag matches where Guerrero was on one side and Malenko the other. It became comedic, before going back to underwhelming.
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Was the video this one?

 
I am torn on ECW. Looking back, most of its angles were complete trash, with a few exceptions (like Sandman vs Raven). A lot of the wrestlers were just complete garbage both in the ring and from a charisma standpoint, so they had to basically cripple themselves to get a crowd reaction. There was some legitimate talent, obviously, but a lot of them were just awful (for every Jericho you had 3 guys like Balls Mahoney).

The raunchy shit was definitely a product of its time and did lead to an edgier product in WWF and later WCW, but in hindsight a lot of that stuff was just awful (from all 3 companies). I tried re-watching a Raw from 1999 a few weeks back and 75% of it was complete trash. From what I remember, ECW would be even worse.

ECW also lead to popularizing hardcore wrestling, which lead to more hardcore, which lead to death match wrestling and guys crippling themselves to get over (like Darby). I like wrestling but I hate seeing guys do jumps off of 15 foot ladders just to do jumps off of 15 feet ladders. That shit is fun to watch the first time, but after you've seen it 100 times it desensitizes you to it. That's what ECW lead to by doing that shit every show. I'd like to blame ECW on creating the work rate marks and Young Bucks but I don't think I can do that
 
The work rate shit started with Steamboat and Flair as a contrast to Hulkamania in the 80s.

Got worse with Chris Benoit/Pegasus Kid and the increased popularity of Japanese wrestling thanks to the Internet/Usenet, with WWF learning more into spectacle (guys like Mabel, Giant Gonzalez, Yokozuna, etc. being given top billing as well as entertaining guys like Nash and Undertaker)

And to be honest, a lot of WWE in the 90s was utter trash. Both pre-Attitude and Attitude. You need a balance of both 'spectacle' and 'workrate', IMO, and while Malenko was a great in-ring guy, he was also a charisma blackhole.

blablabla said:
its funny how workrate marks put down hogan ring style. he wrestled safe and he still ended with a fucking busted to hell back. dude got over on looks and charisma but he totally could work. id take that over flippy dudes like darbi or retards doing strong style. osprey needs to pace himself better or he will fuck himself up dynamite kid style. and thats a fact, jack.
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Kenny Omega is a good cautionary tale. Dude is barely 40 and has had major knee and back problems.
 
Franz Joseph said:
I will. Dean Malenko is to wrestling as AIDS was to the gay community.
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Seconding. Nobody denies Sandman had a cool entrance and was the proto-Stone Cold in some ways but ECW wrestling was all garbage. I mean literal garbage with two men wading through it to try and do moves amid all of the tetanus hazards.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
I am torn on ECW. Looking back, most of its angles were complete trash, with a few exceptions (like Sandman vs Raven). A lot of the wrestlers were just complete garbage both in the ring and from a charisma standpoint, so they had to basically cripple themselves to get a crowd reaction. There was some legitimate talent, obviously, but a lot of them were just awful (for every Jericho you had 3 guys like Balls Mahoney).

The raunchy shit was definitely a product of its time and did lead to an edgier product in WWF and later WCW, but in hindsight a lot of that stuff was just awful (from all 3 companies). I tried re-watching a Raw from 1999 a few weeks back and 75% of it was complete trash. From what I remember, ECW would be even worse.

ECW also lead to popularizing hardcore wrestling, which lead to more hardcore, which lead to death match wrestling and guys crippling themselves to get over (like Darby). I like wrestling but I hate seeing guys do jumps off of 15 foot ladders just to do jumps off of 15 feet ladders. That shit is fun to watch the first time, but after you've seen it 100 times it desensitizes you to it. That's what ECW lead to by doing that shit every show. I'd like to blame ECW on creating the work rate marks and Young Bucks but I don't think I can do that
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I was super young when I became aware of ECW. I’m fairly certain I saw my first luchador match, courtesy of my grandfather, from an ECW event he had traded tape for. I was blown away by how sick the spots were. Didn’t get to see these often but it was always a treat when I did.

These ECW tapes were also my introduction to Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit who both top my all-time greats list. Imagine my shock when these two dudes started appearing on the WCW tapings.

I will agree with you though, the longer ECW went on, the more the product seemed to dilute. I’m still a huge fan of classic ECW and have read every article and watched every interview about it since, but if there has to be an epicenter where work rate exceeds what a normal human being should put in, it definitely starts at ECW. I am aware of the scene in Japan, and as large/popular as they might have been, they don’t share the same lineage.

I like deathmatch wrestling. I’ve been to handfuls of GCW shows, but man, all of these dudes and ladies have expiration dates written on them clear as day. If that’s what they wanna do, more power to them. Nick Gage has said he is a proficient technical wrestler, but no one is going to pay their 20 dollars to see that. Barely anyone pays 20 dollars to see him kill/kill himself.

I think the reason we see so many of these young guys, Darby included, killing themselves is that the wrestler pool is so large nowadays, there’s so many ways to watch wrestling, so many different promotions to watch… but not enough people watching. These guys gotta stand out somehow, and everyone will stop to watch a train wreck. Difference is, the first coffin drop I saw floored me. The 50th one I saw - why?
 
Looney Troons said:
These guys gotta stand out somehow, and everyone will stop to watch a train wreck. Difference is, the first coffin drop I saw floored me. The 50th one I saw - why?
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I'm calling it now, Darby's gonna end up in a wheelchair before he hits 40. Those Coffin Drops aren't that safe in the first place. Dude should really change his finisher that's going to be safe for him and his opponent as well. Then again, I've heard from other people that the young guys in AEW don't even listen to the veterans anyway.
 
crunchy bits are the best said:
I'm calling it now, Darby's gonna end up in a wheelchair before he hits 40. Those Coffin Drops aren't that safe in the first place. Dude should really change his finisher that's going to be safe for him and his opponent as well. Then again, I've heard from other people that the young guys in AEW don't even listen to the veterans anyway.
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Do you think TNA had anything to do with veterans receiving less respect from the younger talent today? Turning that promotion into a good ol’ boys club ostensibly killed whatever good it had going for it at the time. I cannot emphasize how great the early TNA talent was. All of that was pretty much ruined because TNA honestly thought it could compete with the WWE by bringing the Hulkster back, lol. These younger dudes in the business today were old enough to read into and learn about that firsthand.
 
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