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crunchy bits are the best said:
From what I know, I've never heard anyone from the wrestling business who talked about Owen in a negative way. Guess he's just beloved. Sadly, people like him are taken too early either from bad luck or bad people.
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They do, it's just most of them don't talk about him much because of his death. He was still a piece of shit, never apologized to Steve Austin or Dan Severn for nearly killing them.
 
BONECRUSHER said:
He was still a piece of shit, never apologized to Steve Austin or Dan Severn for nearly killing them.
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He never apologized? That's ridiculous, especially in the case of Dan Severn. I'd assumed for the longest time that the deal with Severn was an injury angle that tastelessly recreated the Steve Austin injury. Didn't learn until this year not only was it real, but Severn insisted that they don't do the move only for Owen Hart to ignore him.

Still, to not apologize for breaking someone's neck in any context is pretty fucked up.
 
Well Intentioned said:
I think Punk and Bret both take themselves and what they do waaaaaaaaay too seriously.

Bret, because it was ingrained into him from day 1 thanks to his dad being a carny and being the carny equivalent of an Asian Tiger Mom. Punk, because, to psychoanalyze him for a moment, I think is because he is constantly seeking approval/is insecure due to his background. I say this because Punk has been very vocal about his family and the paranoia that stems from it. I don't think it's a major reach.

I think they both have an overblown sense of what they do and it drives an intense need for validation. Similar to speedrunners who think they're hot shit and are 'literally who?' to anyone outside their hobby's community.

But maybe they're both just assholes in their own way. Who fucking knows.
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IIRC part of Punk's problem upbringing-wise, was that his parents, early on, decided Punk's brother was the favorite of their two kids and Punk basically was left to his own devices while his brother got all of the love, support, and attention/affection even after it became apparent that Punk's brother was a lying thieving shithead who squandered every single thing his parents gave him, including paying for a semester of college that he dropped out on while telling Punk "no college for you unless you pay for it yourself" in the same breathe.

As for Brett, he is an asshole who's better at hiding his asshole behavior compared to Shawn and more to the point, got legitimately fucked over so many times to the point of developing a somewhat legit martyr complex. And it probably drives him fully insane with rage that Shawn had a comeback run in the 00s that resulted in so many beloved matches and the fact that he now runs NXT as Hunter's right hand man. Whereas he can't even get a token EVP position in AEW, because the Shawn-ites run that company too.


crunchy bits are the best said:
Right but at least I never heard Austin bitch every time on how Owen almost killed him unlike Bret who can't stop telling us for the 1,256,379th time on how Goldberg ended his wrestling career in WCW. We get it, Goldberg almost ruined your life and no amount of apologies from Goldberg himself is going to make up for it.
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Austin got the last laugh in that once he got made into the face of the company, Owen was firmly and utterly buried in the undercard, with Austin being aided in burying Owen by HHH, who refused to put Owen over post-WM '98.

Also, insert conspiracy theory line about Austin and/or Austin and Vince purposely killing Owen for nearly ending Austin's in-ring career.
 
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Yesterday Mike Johnson and I wondered how much MJF's return would affect the Dynamite rating. Mike even mentioned that he heard from people who watched for MJF and then tuned out after his segment.

They were not alone.

According to WrestleNomics.com, MJF's opening segment did 976,000 overnight viewers, by far the most watched segment of the evening.

The next quarter hour did 835,000 viewers, losing 141,000 people. That was the second highest segment of the evening.

No other quarter hour came close to breaking 800,000 viewers.
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Harm said:
He never apologized? That's ridiculous, especially in the case of Dan Severn. I'd assumed for the longest time that the deal with Severn was an injury angle that tastelessly recreated the Steve Austin injury. Didn't learn until this year not only was it real, but Severn insisted that they don't do the move only for Owen Hart to ignore him.

Still, to not apologize for breaking someone's neck in any context is pretty fucked up.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bret force Owen to apologize to Austin because even Bret thought it was fucked up that Owen never reach out to Austin after he dropped him on his head?
 
MirrorNoir said:
Also, insert conspiracy theory line about Austin and/or Austin and Vince purposely killing Owen for nearly ending Austin's in-ring career.
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I believe Benoit and his family were assassinated yet even this isn't something I can buy. Owen was just sloppy in the ring in general. You can see it in his matches.
 
Franz Joseph said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bret force Owen to apologize to Austin because even Bret thought it was fucked up that Owen never reach out to Austin after he dropped him on his head?
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According to Steve in this video posted in 2020 he mentions that Owen never called to apologize, so presumably up until his death he never reached out to Steve. The problem with Owen's piledriver was he did a sit down piledriver, and he did it on a dude that weighed a bit more than him and was taller than him.

Undertaker's piledriver always had him go to his knees, same with Kane, which made it safer generally.


If I'm not misremembering, I think Martha also said that Owen told her that he thought Steve faked the neck injury to make him look bad, if true that's pretty fucked up from Owen because you can see in the match that Steve got legit damaged.
 
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Exterminatus said:
According to Steve in this video posted in 2020 he mentions that Owen never called to apologize, so presumably up until his death he never reached out to Steve. The problem with Owen's piledriver was he did a sit down piledriver, and he did it on a dude that weighed a bit more than him and was taller than him.

Undertaker's piledriver always had him go to his knees, same with Kane, which made it safer generally.

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If I'm not misremembering, I think Martha also said that Owen told her that he thought Steve faked the neck injury to make him look bad, if true that's pretty fucked up from Owen because you can see in the match that Steve got legit damaged.
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The only reason why Owen is held in such high regard is because of the tragedy. If we were honest with ourselves and took a step back and looked at Owens career objectively, you would see that everything he did was mid at best outside of his feud with Bret and the Hart Foundation stuff.
 
COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST said:
I believe Benoit and his family were assassinated
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Feel free to decline answering this, but what's the impetus behind this? I know that the interview Chris Jericho with Nancy's sister on the anniversary of the murders revealed some really fucky wucky shit that sounds like a red flag from the "official account" of the events, but I've never heard a full-on "they were murdered" conspiracy before.

Exterminatus said:
I think Martha also said that Owen told her that he thought Steve faked the neck injury
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What a fucking retard.
 
Harm said:
what's the impetus behind this?
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It wouldn't be the first time. Wrestling is a dirty business and Rey Mysterio Jr. (he is the easiest example to use) has absolutely had rivals disappeared in Mexico before. But a few wrestlers have expressed Benoit's death is strange and it's not hard to see why. There is stuff like Verizon "losing" all the Benoit text data due to an "outage" that didn't affect anyone else, Benoit having ventricular hypertrophy (common in steroid abuse) that the coroner didn't release to the public (suggesting some information was suppressed to cover Vince's ass during that scandal), District Attorney Scott Ballard saying Benoit's son had needle marks on his body and being "dwarfed" (as in someone trying to stuff a body into a suitcase, etc.) and all sorts of creepy rumor.
 
MirrorNoir said:
IIRC part of Punk's problem upbringing-wise, was that his parents, early on, decided Punk's brother was the favorite of their two kids and Punk basically was left to his own devices while his brother got all of the love, support, and attention/affection even after it became apparent that Punk's brother was a lying thieving shithead who squandered every single thing his parents gave him, including paying for a semester of college that he dropped out on while telling Punk "no college for you unless you pay for it yourself" in the same breathe.
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I hate Punk, but you are more of an insufferable faggot than he is.
 
beautiful person said:
I remember when Sabu had to crowdfund hip replacement surgery so that he could walk. Though he was also selling merch and shit.
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Gofundme quickly became a godsend for older broken down wrestlers who needed surgery and couldn't afford it. They get to finally have surgery and a bunch of people who couldn't/wouldn't attend conventions got signed 8x10's or phone calls they could do from their home. I still have my signed 8x10 from Scott Hall from when he did one.

This fat faggot grifting for bottom surgery makes me mati because it wasn't that long ago when he was bragging on twitter about blowing over 5k during the whole TransGraps dumpster fire hoping for the slightest crumb of clout. Fast forward to now he's broke, still irrelevant, and wants to grift wrestling fans to pay for his stink ditch.
 
COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST said:
It wouldn't be the first time. Wrestling is a dirty business and Rey Mysterio Jr. (he is the easiest example to use) has absolutely had rivals disappeared in Mexico before. But a few wrestlers have expressed Benoit's death is strange and it's not hard to see why. There is stuff like Verizon "losing" all the Benoit text data due to an "outage" that didn't affect anyone else, Benoit having ventricular hypertrophy (common in steroid abuse) that the coroner didn't release to the public (suggesting some information was suppressed to cover Vince's ass during that scandal), District Attorney Scott Ballard saying Benoit's son had needle marks on his body and being "dwarfed" (as in someone trying to stuff a body into a suitcase, etc.) and all sorts of creepy rumor.
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I believe that Kevin Sullivan killed them.
 
Hatoful Dandy said:
The Hulkster started that one I think.
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Now would Hulk Hogan tell a lie, after all time flows differently for him and he's been a part of every single wrestling event as a invisible hand for Kevin Owens or giving the Undertaker his job in the WWE despite him breaking his neck. Besides Kevin Sullivan wanted to end Hulkamania.
 
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