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As far as I understand baseball fields are crazy cheap to run shows at. And it's only a recent thing that anybody outside of a promoter gave any fucks about how a crowd looks at a house show, so nobody gave a damn about the optics of it.
 
CatParty said:
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"Hey, Rhyno, what else is on?"

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RIP in pepperoni to TNA after this week. Wrestlers' flights are being canceled, tapings are being canceled, and Billy Corgan is going to checks that were past-due and signing them, trying to catch up on what was owed the TV crews. Corgan himself said that he is struggling to get money to fund Bound For Glory and the TV tapings for after the show. Looks like WWE Networks' going to be getting a LOT more AJ Styles matches on it...
 
It was bound (for glory) to happen sooner or later. Even before they were booted off Spike TV, TNA was a dead brand and there was really no bringing it back. I know there's a lot of people hoping that an "angel investor" will bail them out again, but think of it this way: say some network exec wanted to get into the wrestling game (which is a ridiculous notion given wrestling's long-declining mainstream appeal, top advertisers not generally attracted to it, WWE's dominance over the market, ect)....it would almost be better for them to start a new promotion because TNA just has too much baggage at this point.

Sure, TNA has what remains of its hardcore following and an established "brand name" but it's a brand that has been so tarnished over the years that it's more of a detriment than it is a boon. Only by the grace of godbear have they been able to continue on in perpetuity for as long as they have.

But then again, I'm pretty much 0-2 in predicting the death of TNA so anything's possible.
 
Save us billy pumpkin your wrassle show was getting fun.
 
big baby jesus said:
Do people still like seeing babyfaces beat heels, or do they just whine about their midget indie darling not getting a push?
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None of the faces that they're told to like are particularly likeable and none of the heels are all that good at inspiring people to hate them.

So I'm guessing fans started rallying behind "indie darlings" because 1.) they may or may not have followed their careers from their early days on the indies 2.) followed them on NXT and 3.) Stuck with them when they were called up to the main roster. Add those things together and you have an emotional attachment that fans have to a wrestler, one developed over the course of a long journey....something that WWE is absolutely shit at creating on their own.

Unlike the WWE's endlessly rehashed, boring storylines and abysmal written promos, the connection that certain fans have with Kevin Owens, AJ Styles, Insert Names Here ect. is the only real thing on their show and the only guys fans have a reason to care about whether they win or lose. Sadly, the people sperging about them online are the only fans who truly give a shit about the product, which is why their ratings and perhaps their audience as a whole is rapidly dwindling.
 
big baby jesus said:
Do people still like seeing babyfaces beat heels, or do they just whine about their midget indie darling not getting a push?
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I'm just a casual fan who watches the WWE/NXT PPVs but from what I can see the problem is the heels (Well, Kevin Owen, Jericho and the New Day) are just so much more charismatic than any of the babyfaces with the exception of John Cena who I think they're trying to take a back seat to let new talent through and Bayley who's one of the best female babyfaces ever.

If they want Roman to get popular I think they need him to seem more sincere and less smug and immature, maybe they thought he could be the next Rock? It really seems to be the writers fault though, his storylines are nonsensical like in the current one he's fighting Rusev but there doesn't seem to be a motivation for doing so, in fact it'd make more sense for the bad guy to ruin a wedding moment and the good guy fight to get revenge and he also never seems to suffer hardship to overcome and just runs around looking smug and making PG dick jokes.

I agree with you about the indie midgets though, AJ Styles and the like are boring (Wrestlers like him and Austin Aries seem completely interchangeable personality and look wise) and I feel like a jerk for saying it since it seems popular but the cruiserweights such as TJ Perkins are boring too (His videogame intro is nice though).
 
I always thought that TJ Perkins was a crashing bore. Even back when I still watched the indies, I'd tune out whenever he was on the card.
 
From a Prime Time Television standpoint, moving world title match down the card made a whole lot of sense with the debate going on right after. The problem was, that it was too good of a match, and it may have hurt the rest of the card going in.
 
Monday night programming ratings are at 20 year lows. Cornette's evaluation that there are no money draws anymore because guaranteed contracts, first introduced 20 years ago in then WWF with Brian Pillman and Marc Mero, of all the people you can win a bar bet with, mean that instead of being pushed because you have proven you can draw money previously for a company at the gate and thus will be given a chance to do more drawing of butts in the seats of the arenas in the future, now you have Cena/Orton/etc pushed as top stars because they have to justify the guaranteed contract for them instead of having their drawing power justify their pay seems to be coming home to roost in a major way. The show bigger than the entire brand was completely panned this year as it featured an almost senior citizen's once a year appearance 'brawling' with the over the hill son of the out of touch owner of the promotion as the main event of the supercard. Meanwhile same owner's daughter is presented as both the top heel who never will be given her just deserts in a blow-off to any feuds and simultaneously as a corporate babyface to be cherished as a crossover star because of who her parents were, often in different segments of the same TV broadcast. So, is this the final stage of Vince McMahon's selfish desire to kill the business that made his family their bread before he dies in a fit of self indulgence or do you think there really is a plan when he kicks the bucket to drop the embarrassed to be anything but an 'entertainment' company corporate M.O. and get back to being the best wrestling company the thing can be without the senile old man's interference in the grave?

I really believe Vince wants to kill the whole thing, no ring, just bad comedy vignettes, shit movies, corporate marketing buzzword salad only promos by whoever has a mike, whether that's his idea or the idea of the bankers in New York who funded his expansion nationally 30 years ago, I don't know, but if it's not his plan, he certainly has been slave to whoever told him yes for his loans in the retrospect view of the change he ushered into the marketplace he took over from his father it appears to me at this point.
 
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