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NXT New Years Evil was pretty good. I caught most of the show but had to cut out for the last half hour, but I look forward to Tiff in cow girl costume. I guess the Rock's daughter is now bloodline and she is the kayfabe booker for NXT now?

AJPW's show was kind mid. AWG once again killed the heat the show had going into it, only this time it really didn't recover and the show kept a low tempo despite how hot the first few matches were. The main event was Charlie Dempsey (William Regal's son) facing the Triple Crown champ Nakajima. It wasn't very good for an AJPW main event. There was a lot of storytelling in the match as Nakajima was selling like death for a guy that clearly wasn't in his league. Dempsey was sloppy and for a guy presenting himself as a Catch wrestler he got lost at a bunch of points in his chain wrestling and had to fumble fuck his way through things. The highlights of the match were the consistent storytelling as Dempsey worked one leg the entire match in order to neutralize Nakajima's kicks only to get out wrestled and then murked by KO. The entire match was low speed and sloppy and you could see the frustration in Nakajima's face at certain points as he was trying to carry a guy that just wasn't good enough at a pace that worked for the guy he was carrying. That said when the match ended Nakajima made a point during his promo to say he was whiling to accept challengers from WWE so it hammered home the fact Nakajima was going easy and playing nice with a rookie kid to demonstrate that AJPW is willing to work with the WWE and isn't going to run gay ops and bury people for a cheap pop.

The NJPW press conference was dimes. The GoD stuff was comic gold as it seems that they were just trying to fuck with the translator as much as possible to see if they could cause her to corpse. The Kaito/Shota vs HoT part of the press conference was kino as the cameras just zoomed in on Kaito's face while HoT was attacking them to really hammer home how much NJPW would humiliate and devalue him. The Ospreay/Mox/Finlay portion was hilarious because Ospreay made a low key joke about Moxely's alcoholism only for Mox to basically go "fuck it" snag a drink, dab on the other two guys and walk off leaving the brain dead retard and eternal jaboroni to slap at each other. The Okada/Bryan portion of the presser was cringe kino. Bryan spit out this entirely too long bit that was legit confusing about how his arm was broke and he made Okada tap out despite ignoring the entire Continental Classic and what happened in it. Okada and Bryan did the post presser face off and Bryan flipped Okada the bird and you could just see the not giving a fuck in Okada's eyes. I wasn't really sold on Sanda/Naito but that conversation they had at the presser made it for me, that is the match.

All in all a pretty solid night worth of wrestling. Tomorrow should be pretty good too.

Heckler1 said:
You are literally only talking about Roman, while also making some weird mark blanket statement about hating long title reigns. It comes across as whiny. A title reign being long or short isn't the problem (look at Gunther, guy's been champ forever and still produces bangers, or how in Mexico title reign length means nothing), its the stories that are attached to the title, and projected onto it by fans. You just seem like an angry mark imo.

Your second point is actually kind of interesting. I think AEW didn't want to be TNA, but they have gone down the road of Hogan era TNA. Instead of finding a niche for themselves (Like TNA did with the 6 sided ring and focus on X division) Tony insisted on demanding to be seen as an equal competitor and tried to do so by being discount WWE with deathmatches, and catering to un-satisfiable smarks. Additionally, Tony either books things for too long ( and people get tired of it) or he fails to capitalize on sudden momentum until it's too late and makes a half hearted attempt to recapture the magic before finding a new toy to play with.
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Kaizer Ghidorah said:
To be fair I'm pretty sure he actually said he wanted to get squashed actually and his complaint was more to do with goldberg snubbing him outright on having a match
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From what I remember he wanted to do a thing where he'd just keep dipping out of the ring and avoiding Goldberg's offense to make a long match BEFORE getting squashed. Basically making Goldberg look like an absolute retard. Not even the Flock thing of using numbers to draw him out, simply slipping out of the ring and making Goldberg chase him.

Put it this way, imagine if Theory or Elias suggested this with Roman Reigns. Potentially damaging a huge draw and credible threat for the sake of some laughs. Unironically "Wouldn't it be funny if.." is the sort of retarded shit that smarks love to talk about, forgetting that making your show look like a laughing stock generally isn't a good idea.
 
CognitiveDeficiency said:
I guess the Rock's daughter is now bloodline and she is the kayfabe booker for NXT now?
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Speaking of Bloodline, Jimmy Uso's wife, Naomi, is expected to return to WWE once her contract expires in TNA. If you don't remember her, she was the one Sasha Banks convinced to walk out of the company in 2022.
 
herefortheactualthreads said:
the plebbit comments say he is / was injured. idk what to feel about this.
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He had a broken hand and a broken ankle coming into the match. Also, his shoulder has been fucked up for 2 years and he won't get surgery.

I know he's a weird guy but this is insane behaviour and other people should be stepping in to stop him from permanently fucking himself up.
 
trent said:
He had a broken hand and a broken ankle coming into the match. Also, his shoulder has been fucked up for 2 years and he won't get surgery.

I know he's a weird guy but this is insane behaviour and other people should be stepping in to stop him from permanently fucking himself up.
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AEW and whatever company that clusterfuck went down in had to have both signed off on Ibushi pulling that stupid stunt. He went in with the aforementioned broken hand and ankle, and ended up fucking up his other ankle in the process. Why both companies signed off on it, I have no fucking clue.
 
Heckler1 said:
They booed him until he started doing the Tribal Chief heel shit, because he finally played into the reality that was the fan's rejection of him. And if people really hated him back when he was doing the Sufferin Succotash shit, then people would stop paying to see him. But they didn't. Stop being a pedantic faggot and just accept the fact that no matter how much you hate long title reigns, it clearly works enough that people still pay to see them.
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They booed him for years and started walking out when his matches came on. We have videos of the arenas emptying out when the main event started. Fans paid to see other wrestlers and when the person they hated came on they left.

I don't care about Roman, he's a mystery meat nigger put at the top because he's related to Rock. He's never going to be remembered once he's gone. I would rather have some watchable wrestling than the way he's being used and his gay friends get to prance around like literal faggots making the show unwatchable. Every time you check in with WWE it's gayer and has less star power than before and it's been on the decline for 2 decades now.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
From what I remember he wanted to do a thing where he'd just keep dipping out of the ring and avoiding Goldberg's offense to make a long match BEFORE getting squashed. Basically making Goldberg look like an absolute retard. Not even the Flock thing of using numbers to draw him out, simply slipping out of the ring and making Goldberg chase him.

Put it this way, imagine if Theory or Elias suggested this with Roman Reigns. Potentially damaging a huge draw and credible threat for the sake of some laughs. Unironically "Wouldn't it be funny if.." is the sort of retarded shit that smarks love to talk about, forgetting that making your show look like a laughing stock generally isn't a good idea.
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Funny you should mention that since this happened last night lol. Ikemen Jiro has a bit where he comes out dancing and posing to his entrance music while baiting entering into the ring as long as possible to work the crowd and his opponents. It is a pretty fun low card comedy bit that the gets the crowds engaged as he heads right into the seats, poses for pics, shake hands, hug people, and generally get warm the crowd up for the rest of the night's matches. Well in last night's match his opponent was Minoru Suzuki and after about two minutes of Jiro doing his faking out entrance bit Suzuki got fed up and chased him down into the middle of the crowd.


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A clip of Ibushi forgetting how to wrestle:

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The guy went into the match with a broken ankle. Ibushi is a shoot retarded so I can probably see his rationale being, "well I am booked to be the main event and my fans would be sad if I had to cancel because of a broken ankle. If they see me working with one anyways they will love me even more because of my fighting spirit." I am not joking about the retard part. The guy refuses to read because he thinks reading is a form of mind control. He is so unbelievably washed it isn't funny. He could have at least accepted help from some of the wrestlers at ring side walking to the back after that disaster, but nope he had to show off and gimp his way to the back.

I feel bad for Marufuji it seems he is absolutely cursed by the Golden Lovers. First Kenny nearly kills the dude and ends up causing one of his arms to be partially paralyzed and now this. Maru is going to be retiring soon so when people look back on his career this is probably what they are going to remember.
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Jurassic park said:
They booed him for years and started walking out when his matches came on. We have videos of the arenas emptying out when the main event started. Fans paid to see other wrestlers and when the person they hated came on they left.

I don't care about Roman, he's a mystery meat nigger put at the top because he's related to Rock. He's never going to be remembered once he's gone. I would rather have some watchable wrestling than the way he's being used and his gay friends get to prance around like literal faggots making the show unwatchable. Every time you check in with WWE it's gayer and has less star power than before and it's been on the decline for 2 decades now.
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Of all the champions I can remember since 2000 he's above the Jinder. That's it
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
From what I remember he wanted to do a thing where he'd just keep dipping out of the ring and avoiding Goldberg's offense to make a long match BEFORE getting squashed. Basically making Goldberg look like an absolute retard. Not even the Flock thing of using numbers to draw him out, simply slipping out of the ring and making Goldberg chase him.

Put it this way, imagine if Theory or Elias suggested this with Roman Reigns. Potentially damaging a huge draw and credible threat for the sake of some laughs. Unironically "Wouldn't it be funny if.." is the sort of retarded shit that smarks love to talk about, forgetting that making your show look like a laughing stock generally isn't a good idea.
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I don't really see how that's meaningfully different than any other sort of "cowardly heel tries to avoid their comeuppance before ultimately receiving it" schtick
 
Jurassic park said:
I don't care about Roman, he's a mystery meat nigger put at the top because he's related to Rock.
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Come on. There's been at least a dozen guys "related" to The Rock in WWE who've never been put at the top. Roman is at the top because he looks like a million bucks and he's athletic enough to be adequate in the ring.

CognitiveDeficiency said:
The main event was Charlie Dempsey (William Regal's son) facing the Triple Crown champ Nakajima. It wasn't very good for an AJPW main event. There was a lot of storytelling in the match as Nakajima was selling like death for a guy that clearly wasn't in his league. Dempsey was sloppy and for a guy presenting himself as a Catch wrestler he got lost at a bunch of points in his chain wrestling and had to fumble fuck his way through things.
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He'd likely be a whole lot better if he'd stayed with the Noge Dojo. He would have debuted around the same time as Fujita and Oiwa, if not sooner, and had a lot more matches. He's had 69 matches in NXT so far. Oiwa has had 238 matches in that time and Fujita 224.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
From what I remember he wanted to do a thing where he'd just keep dipping out of the ring and avoiding Goldberg's offense to make a long match BEFORE getting squashed. Basically making Goldberg look like an absolute retard. Not even the Flock thing of using numbers to draw him out, simply slipping out of the ring and making Goldberg chase him.

Put it this way, imagine if Theory or Elias suggested this with Roman Reigns. Potentially damaging a huge draw and credible threat for the sake of some laughs. Unironically "Wouldn't it be funny if.." is the sort of retarded shit that smarks love to talk about, forgetting that making your show look like a laughing stock generally isn't a good idea.
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It's been forever, but from what I recall it was mostly just a bunch of vignettes with Jericho mocking Goldberg because he was a rookie ("Greenberg") and some dumb bullshit of getting knocked out of his shoes.


“That kinda started it and Bill was very young in the business at the time, he was very angry at me for doing it. We kept pushing it and pushing it and pushing it to where we’d built up to a match with Jericho and Goldberg. It never happened because Bill didn’t want to do it, one thing led to another, and I was like, ‘We have an angle here’ and people were super into it. What I wanted to do was, I wanted to do the greatest squash match of all time,” Jericho explained. “It just never transpired because we could never get the match in the ring.”

“I remember that I was even [thinking] that if I wore amateur shoes and he spears me, he could spear me out of my shoes and I could kick my shoe out into the fifteenth row. And it just never happened, so when that didn’t happen due to the politics and opinions and attitudes, that sort of thing, I said ‘What else can I do here?’ I created an angle out of nothing that wasn’t supposed to be anything, and people would pay to see this,” Jericho said, “but [WCW] kept wanting him to beat me on TV and I [asked] why. I said ‘Let’s do it on pay-per-view! I have no grand illusions that I’m going to beat him, of course he’s going to beat me. He’s going to beat me definitively, he’s going to beat me like Goldberg, but let’s make people pay to see it, not just be number 150 [in the streak] after you beat Hugh Morrus and George Johnson, whatever.’ And they were never able to do that, and that’s when I was like ‘I’ve got to get out of here.’”
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Seems like Jericho was being (mostly) pragmatic about it. The shoes thing is pretty dumb, though.
 
The boys in the back need to realise that there is occasionally a guy that gets to "skip the queue" even if he isn't a great worker.

Jericho might have thought that Goldberg beating him was PPV-worthy but it wasn't about who he was beating as far as the audience was concerned, it was about the streak.

The same thing is happening with Roman at the moment. The opponents barely matter. It's all about how long he keeps the belt. Bring back The Rock, have Cody try to finish the story, have his own guys turn on him. It's all just in service to Roman having the belt for as long as possible.
 
draggs said:
Like a lot of men and women wrestlers, Jericho fucked a lot of people, including when he was married, including when the other person was in a relationship

Being a sleazy whore doesn't make him a sexual harasser or some shit, not without proof

It'd be nice if he retired but not because of some plebbit faggitry
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Yes, that’s why I say he should punch Action Andretti and menace Tony so he gets fired. Walk back into WWE raw after mania and do a pin me pay me run with some wins on b tier papes and maybe a US title run if Gunther is still the IC champ. If Gunther isn’t, let Jericho have that belt one last time to make him the 10 time champ and then go to commentary and replace that annoying Irish prick.

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Jurassic park said:
Austin and Rock don't need the belt in any way, but the other 3 getting it becomes a big deal.
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Bruh, HHH and Rock kept back and forthing the belt for almost a year and a half then ended in Austin and Trips forming the Power Trip and holding 4 belts. "They didn't need the belts" is revisionist. Austin/Rock 3 was belt-less because both men were on their way out so the story was focused on The Rock checking off his last to-do and pin The Rattlesnake at Mania.
 
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