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trent said:
The Bucks are playing douchey heels again at the moment.

It never ceases to amaze me how easily people get worked by them.
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Would be nice if they can do this in the ring. Instead they just come off as cocky babyfaces
 
With these latest releases, WWE is expecting to start a "probation" period for NXT signees. If they don't show improvement within 90 days of signing, then they're released. I doubt this will affect older signees like Bron or Carmello, and theres no word on if it carries over to main roster.
 
I don't see an issue with that, there's never been as much wrestling talent hanging about and accepting medocrity instead of people with the drive and willingness to improve seems like a waste of time and effort. This doesn't stop wrestlers from never making it to WWE if they've fucked up once, but it means that they have to actually go out and graft a name for themselves on the indies and elsewhere to show they've got enough to have a second chance.

It really is insane how the PC can shit out like 15 people a year that could comfortably slot into the lowercard on Smackdown without breaking a sweat.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
I don't see an issue with that, there's never been as much wrestling talent hanging about and accepting medocrity instead of people with the drive and willingness to improve seems like a waste of time and effort. This doesn't stop wrestlers from never making it to WWE if they've fucked up once, but it means that they have to actually go out and graft a name for themselves on the indies and elsewhere to show they've got enough to have a second chance.

It really is insane how the PC can shit out like 15 people a year that could comfortably slot into the lowercard on Smackdown without breaking a sweat.
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Only issue with that is that Vince doesn't want anymore people from the indies. He wants to make stars himself and not have pre-establish people.
 
Anonymus Fluhre said:
Only issue with that is that Vince doesn't want anymore people from the indies. He wants to make stars himself and not have pre-establish people.
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It's weird, because I don't think they've ever had a certifiable megastar who didn't wrestle somewhere else first besides The Rock. Maybe I guess Lesnar, but it's debatable if he would have blown up if he didn't go to UFC. Even Cena spent a couple years in the indies first. Like, where does this idea that guys shouldn't have wrestled anywhere else first even come from? All their biggest stars over the years, Hogan, Austin, Cena, Warrior, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Triple H etc etc etc all wrestled somewhere else before they went to the WWF.

Before someone says Reigns, Reigns is a popcorn fart compared to the guys on that list and they had to push him for nearly a decade before he got over.
 
Anonymus Fluhre said:
Only issue with that is that Vince doesn't want anymore people from the indies. He wants to make stars himself and not have pre-establish people.
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AJ Styles, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, CM Punk, Finn Balor, Drew McIntyre, Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Daniel Bryan etc. in recent times disproves that. Hell even Austin Theory is right there and despite his slight name change, he's still getting pushed to the moon despite being an indie guy because he's surprisingly well rounded AND young.

If they're good enough, they get there. What people fail to grasp is that a FUCKTON of indie shitters simply aren't complete enough to be a big star in the WWE. You see guys like Amazing Red or Christopher Daniels or Low Ki or Chuck Taylor or Austin Aries or Angelico or Brian Cage etc. (I could go on forever) that simply are too one dimensional with gaping flaws that prevent them from being worth being pushed to the moon. Maybe they're shit on the mic, maybe they're toxic as fuck backstage and not talented enough to get away with it, maybe they are dangerous etc. Why spend half a decade trying to iron out those flaws when you can grab a fresh guy from the PC that's good enough?

Austin Theory shows that they're not going to stop signing indie guys, but the real issue is that with AEW existing + covid fucking indie wrestling, the once well populated indies are pretty much dried up and if you recruit people from an athletic background you can make a pro wrestler fairly easily with minimal training. Is it shitty to train people up and then cut them if they don't improve? I guess, but think of how many people in other sports get cut in more brutal fashion. Be glad WWE is only recruiting 18+ year olds unlike soccer/football squads who will sign 14 year olds only to throw them to one side when they're 16 and aren't good enough.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
AJ Styles, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, CM Punk, Finn Balor, Drew McIntyre, Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Daniel Bryan etc. in recent times disproves that. Hell even Austin Theory is right there and despite his slight name change, he's still getting pushed to the moon despite being an indie guy because he's surprisingly well rounded AND young.

If they're good enough, they get there. What people fail to grasp is that a FUCKTON of indie shitters simply aren't complete enough to be a big star in the WWE. You see guys like Amazing Red or Christopher Daniels or Low Ki or Chuck Taylor or Austin Aries or Angelico or Brian Cage etc. (I could go on forever) that simply are too one dimensional with gaping flaws that prevent them from being worth being pushed to the moon. Maybe they're shit on the mic, maybe they're toxic as fuck backstage and not talented enough to get away with it, maybe they are dangerous etc. Why spend half a decade trying to iron out those flaws when you can grab a fresh guy from the PC that's good enough?

Austin Theory shows that they're not going to stop signing indie guys, but the real issue is that with AEW existing + covid fucking indie wrestling, the once well populated indies are pretty much dried up and if you recruit people from an athletic background you can make a pro wrestler fairly easily with minimal training. Is it shitty to train people up and then cut them if they don't improve? I guess, but think of how many people in other sports get cut in more brutal fashion. Be glad WWE is only recruiting 18+ year olds unlike soccer/football squads who will sign 14 year olds only to throw them to one side when they're 16 and aren't good enough.
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In fairness, I believe Vince “not wanting Indie Talent” is a more recent decision - recent being relative, pretty sure that was when NXT became 2.0, and moved from being “WWE Branded Indie Supershow” back towards actually being Developmental.

That said, the PC legitimately seems to be one of the better “Wrestling Schools” out there - quotes because ymmv on if you consider the PC a proper School -, and if I say nothing else good about the style WWE teaches, it’s definitely a easier style on your body than grinding your bones into sawdust on the indies. Might need to add a few more promo classes (or, god forbid, just give people managers), but if thats the worst I can say from the outside looking in, they’re probably fine.

At least the Indies seem to be starting to recover from Covid - gives a lot of the guys who’d shit up NXT somewhere to go.
 
I genuinely think "Vince McMahon doesn't want indie talent" is a nice way of WWE recruitment letting indie shitters know that they don't think they're good enough. Kinda like how "budget cuts" is a nice catch all way of not shitting on talent that's getting cut for not being good enough.

"Oh sorry Peter Avalon, it's not you it's just Vince haha you know what he's like haha"
 
Never Scored said:
It's weird, because I don't think they've ever had a certifiable megastar who didn't wrestle somewhere else first besides The Rock. Maybe I guess Lesnar, but it's debatable if he would have blown up if he didn't go to UFC. Even Cena spent a couple years in the indies first. Like, where does this idea that guys shouldn't have wrestled anywhere else first even come from? All their biggest stars over the years, Hogan, Austin, Cena, Warrior, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Triple H etc etc etc all wrestled somewhere else before they went to the WWF.

Before someone says Reigns, Reigns is a popcorn fart compared to the guys on that list and they had to push him for nearly a decade before he got over.
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Vince just wants more merchandise control.
Cena was almost always a WWF guy by the way. Even his time in NWA was in NWA OVA.
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
AJ Styles, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, CM Punk, Finn Balor, Drew McIntyre, Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Daniel Bryan etc. in recent times disproves that. Hell even Austin Theory is right there and despite his slight name change, he's still getting pushed to the moon despite being an indie guy because he's surprisingly well rounded AND young.

If they're good enough, they get there. What people fail to grasp is that a FUCKTON of indie shitters simply aren't complete enough to be a big star in the WWE. You see guys like Amazing Red or Christopher Daniels or Low Ki or Chuck Taylor or Austin Aries or Angelico or Brian Cage etc. (I could go on forever) that simply are too one dimensional with gaping flaws that prevent them from being worth being pushed to the moon. Maybe they're shit on the mic, maybe they're toxic as fuck backstage and not talented enough to get away with it, maybe they are dangerous etc. Why spend half a decade trying to iron out those flaws when you can grab a fresh guy from the PC that's good enough?

Austin Theory shows that they're not going to stop signing indie guys, but the real issue is that with AEW existing + covid fucking indie wrestling, the once well populated indies are pretty much dried up and if you recruit people from an athletic background you can make a pro wrestler fairly easily with minimal training. Is it shitty to train people up and then cut them if they don't improve? I guess, but think of how many people in other sports get cut in more brutal fashion. Be glad WWE is only recruiting 18+ year olds unlike soccer/football squads who will sign 14 year olds only to throw them to one side when they're 16 and aren't good enough.
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As I said "anymore" It helps to read.
Leaf Wage Slave said:
In fairness, I believe Vince “not wanting Indie Talent” is a more recent decision - recent being relative, pretty sure that was when NXT became 2.0, and moved from being “WWE Branded Indie Supershow” back towards actually being Developmental.

That said, the PC legitimately seems to be one of the better “Wrestling Schools” out there - quotes because ymmv on if you consider the PC a proper School -, and if I say nothing else good about the style WWE teaches, it’s definitely a easier style on your body than grinding your bones into sawdust on the indies. Might need to add a few more promo classes (or, god forbid, just give people managers), but if thats the worst I can say from the outside looking in, they’re probably fine.

At least the Indies seem to be starting to recover from Covid - gives a lot of the guys who’d shit up NXT somewhere to go.
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Past two months or so. It's been reported on by several sites. Though this should have been obvious given their recent hirings for the Performance Center.
 
captkrisma said:
With these latest releases, WWE is expecting to start a "probation" period for NXT signees. If they don't show improvement within 90 days of signing, then they're released. I doubt this will affect older signees like Bron or Carmello, and theres no word on if it carries over to main roster.
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Wrestling school from my understanding generally lasts 13 weeks. No disrespect to the trainees, but if you haven't even made NXT in a year, you should be cut. If for no other reason than WWE dropped the ball and genuinely has no idea what to do with you, so you should get a chance at a fresh start.

I'm all for people getting easy paychecks, but the trainees can't be getting that much, and there should be no reason to linger in developmental for 5+ years.
 
Salubrious said:
Wrestling school from my understanding generally lasts 13 weeks. No disrespect to the trainees, but if you haven't even made NXT in a year, you should be cut. If for no other reason than WWE dropped the ball and genuinely has no idea what to do with you, so you should get a chance at a fresh start.

I'm all for people getting easy paychecks, but the trainees can't be getting that much, and there should be no reason to linger in developmental for 5+ years.
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Yet Aliyah is still employed.
 
captkrisma said:
If you want to split hairs here...AEW hired a 16 year old.
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There’s also Brodie Jr - sure, it’s almost certainly a charity move to look after Brodie’s kid, but technically speaking a literal prepubescent child is on payroll.

Would be nice to see if AEW lasts a decade and Brodie Jr does debut with the company, but anything can happen in 10 days, nevermind 10 fucking years…
 
captkrisma said:
With these latest releases, WWE is expecting to start a "probation" period for NXT signees. If they don't show improvement within 90 days of signing, then they're released. I doubt this will affect older signees like Bron or Carmello, and theres no word on if it carries over to main roster.
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Sounds like someone coming up with an excuse to purge NXT.

At this point, why even keep NXT on TV for fuck's sakes? Why not move all of the "name" guys to Smackdown already (which needs new blood ASAP)? It's not like they have any major storylines going on right now outside Bron and Gacy. Grayson Waller beat LA Knight so badly Knight effectively became a manager then Grayson had his rent a henchman turn on him for no reason, Dexter's been fired along with Persia so Indie no longer has a storyline, Cameron Grimes hasn't had a proper storyline in ages, Toxic Attraction just exists because Vince wants to push Mandy but can't do so on the main roster because Charlotte Flair and Becky Lynch won't allow Mandy to be the top woman combined with Bianca Belair coming out of nowhere, and Gargano and Ciampa are both gone.

Kill NXT the TV show, ship what's left to Smackdown, and reduce it back to a network only show where there are no storylines, just short matches.
 
MirrorNoir said:
Kill NXT the TV show, ship what's left to Smackdown, and reduce it back to a network only show where there are no storylines, just short matches.
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If it were to come out that WWE were just waiting on their TV Deal for NXT to expire before they moved it back to the Network/onto Peacock, I wouldn’t be surprised.
 
trent said:
The Bucks are playing douchey heels again at the moment.

It never ceases to amaze me how easily people get worked by them.
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You could have said that before they turned into the stereotypical West Coast bugs outside their gimmick.

They're not acting anymore.
MirrorNoir said:
... and Gargano and Ciampa are both gone.
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For what it's worth (and it ain't much) Ciampa is on Raw and probably either got the "Theory's mercenary" gimmick you mentioned or someone let him have the Sicillian Psycho aspect back, since he attacked Mustafa Ali for no apparent reason last Monday. We'll see if they explain tonight.
 
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