General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Bad Gateway]

Puberty is a fucked up time for sure, but not everyone experiences a disconnect between mind or body, or they‘d be even more tranners and ‘Systems’ out there.
What you are observing is the onset of two distinct things, both start in adolescence, both can cause a person to erroneously believe they should have the body of the opposite sex, they can occur alone or be comorbid. One is serious mental illness, such as personality disorders or schizophrenia, the other is a paraphilic disorder, Autogynephilia.

I certainly think all of that's possible, and definitely agree about AGP. Yes, not every disconnect between the mind and the body is guaranteed to end with a dickditch, but that's exactly my point. Going through puberty sucks, universally. Everybody hates it, everybody goes through it. Everyone has felt a variation on "I'm too_____" during puberty. Choose your personal issue: Short, tall, hairy, ugly, fat, skinny, any and every thing is on the table. And each of those is a disconnect between the mind and the body, of varying degrees of severity. More to the point, I sincerely doubt the supposed commonality of gender dysphoria, and its severity, and its long and short term impact on people who claim they have it, especially if they have a recent diagnosis, which is far more likely to be political than genuine. I've been around long enough to have lived through a few different social/medical fads, and that is exactly what this is to me.

 

[DukeOfNimonia]

Truly the solution to lunatics getting undue power is to just placate them by playing along with part of their insanity and ignoring the rest.

They will continue to use every inch of ground you cede to shift the conversation till your not wanting to suck the ladydick/ lick the manpussy is the contention then call you a Nazi for believing what you do with yo, wur mouth is your choice, just as it is with pronouns now.

This is why we have to draw the line. Make it very clear to the trans that their identity ends where biological reality begins. There are real, immutable differences between the sexes; to deny them is lunacy.

So...the trans get to dress up as the opposite sex, use the names associated with the opposite sex, adopt their mannerisms...but we make it crystal fucking clear to them that our allowing them to LARP as the opposite sex DOES NOT make them actually that. The twanzlaydee uses the men's room and stays the hell away from the lesbian community, for example. If they have a problem with that, tough shit.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Hormones are not mutagens, they cannot cause genetic mutations: no matter how much exogenous hormones you are exposed to, it wont modify the sequence of DNA in your cells.

That's just not true.
Nuclear receptor hormones do affect DNA and cause cancer and long term physical changes.

 

[iHuman]

That's just not true.
Nuclear receptor hormones do affect DNA and cause cancer and long term physical changes.

Nuclear receptors (which many hormones can bind directly or indirectly as well as transcription factors) are involved in the control and regulation of the expression of genes in the DNA, but they do not modify the sequence of bases in the DNA which is why I was saying that hormones do not cause genetic mutations. Cancers can also be caused by problems in genes regulation, such as specific genes being over-expressed; which is why trangenders who have been under hormone therapy tend to have a higher risk of developing cancers: just because there is physical change or even cancer, does not mean that the sequence of DNA has been modified.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Nuclear receptors (which many hormones can bind directly or indirectly as well as transcription factors) are involved in the control and regulation of the expression of genes in the DNA, but they do not modify the sequence of bases in the DNA which is why I was saying that hormones do not cause genetic mutations. Cancers can also be caused by problems in genes regulation, such as specific genes being over-expressed; which is why trangenders who have been under hormone therapy tend to have a higher risk of developing cancers: just because there is physical change or even cancer, does not mean that the sequence of DNA has been modified.

Of course, nothing can change your DNA. As for troons getting cancer, I doubt they're highly disposed, they probably just don't care for themselves properly. A lot of people with mental illness don't care for themselves properly.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Of course, nothing can change your DNA. As for troons getting cancer, I doubt they're highly disposed, they probably just don't care for themselves properly. A lot of people with mental illness don't care for themselves properly.

Research shows that the hormone therapy can and does increase cancer risk and sometimes more agressive forms of cancer.

Cancer in Transgender People: Evidence and Methodological Considerations

Abstract. Transgender people comprise a diverse group of individuals whose gender identity or expression differs from that originally assigned to them at birth.

academic.oup.com

The specifically discuss prostate and breast cancers.

 

[AnOminous]

Research shows that the hormone therapy can and does increase cancer risk and sometimes more agressive forms of cancer.

Cancer in Transgender People: Evidence and Methodological Considerations

Abstract. Transgender people comprise a diverse group of individuals whose gender identity or expression differs from that originally assigned to them at birth.

academic.oup.com

The specifically discuss prostate and breast cancers.

Well it turns people into troons which are definitely aggressive and cancerous.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

Trans people aren't people. edit: basically, humanity is tied on some level to your basic biology and sex, if you lose your ability to procreate and are becoming a systemic controversy and blight upon society by baiting all the bigots (they'll always unfortunately be there) then you're kind of struggling to find a place.

But it's also just fun to say they aren't people.

 

[jorgoth]

Research shows that the hormone therapy can and does increase cancer risk and sometimes more agressive forms of cancer.

Good.

 

[jorgoth]

AHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Tito from Rocket Power]

This terrifies the tranny.

 

[IceGray]

AHAHAHAHAHA
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Come on, that's a crossdresser. True androgyny is extremely rare. Waste of looks indeed...

Why is it that so many current trans smack of people running away screaming from gender roles?

I had the displeasure of seeing a female acquaintance declare herself NB male (damn oxymoron, duh) over the past few years, and getting worked up in fright about terfs in the fandom she got into.

It isn't Harry Potter, in case you're wondering.

 

[Rich Evans Apologist]

Come on, that's a crossdresser. True androgyny is extremely rare. Waste of looks indeed...

Why is it that so many current trans smack of people running away screaming from gender roles?

I had the displeasure of seeing a female acquaintance declare herself NB male (damn oxymoron, duh) over the past few years, and getting worked up in fright about terfs in the fandom she got into.

It isn't Harry Potter, in case you're wondering.

So personally, I don't think that it's necessarily running away from gender roles so much as running away from growing up, with gender roles as a convenient guise. For those with the actual dysphoria, as best we understand it, we would expect them to shift from one set of gender roles to the other. I find this is generally true of that older breed of trans, for which the world barely knew or cared about and they were fine with.

The new blood, though, is ejecting the notions altogether and cannot shut the fuck up about itself. I sperged at length about why I think this is just chasing Neverland over in the laughing-at-social-media-troons thread.

 

[IceGray]

That was an enlightening read, about chasing Neverland. I admit I didn't consider the "run away from growing up part."

With all the mixed signals it's probably no surprise that neo-trans theory pretends to offer a place like the Lotus Eaters.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

I keep seeing “trans rights!” thrown around as a popular slogan and just don’t get it. What rights do they want, which they currently lack? My guess is easier access to hormones and surgery, and the right to act like absolute cunts when someone slips up and says sir instead of ma’am, which is ridiculous. There are already doctors out there who give out hormone prescriptions like candy when they really shouldn’t, especially if it’s someone underage asking.

 

[bluegenius8585]

The issue is that people are being pushed into being Trans due to changing the definitions. About 20 years ago most trans people were initially suicidal and claimed to be incapable of being able to carry on in the "wrong" body. Most people never would expect to meet a transgendered person in their life.

Then things started changing, mostly due to the internet. Initially it became more and more vague on what makes you trans, boys and girls who didn't conform to outdated stereotypes (like a gay boy who hung with the girls at school or a girl who is a tom boy) suddenly became trans. Symptoms of gender dysphoria became generic mental health symptoms and overlapped with clinical depression and anxiety disorders, all this was enabled online and such people say "hey that reminds me of me" and suddenly become trans. That is generally the story for anyone under 25 at least who claims to be trans.

On the other side you have the older troon. Generally late 30s to 50s. These seem to be your autogenophiles. Basically they get a kick of wearing woman's clothes, or having some delusion impression of womanhood (go to the trans widows part of mumsnet to hear some terrible shit) where they try and bring their whole family into the bullcrap. These are also the people behind trans groups like Mermaids and others since they think that by trying to manipulate others into being the same way then it validates their own delusions.

Sort of parallel to those two groups you have the predators, people like Jessica Yaniv or Barbie Kardashian, these are dangerous perverts who want to try and use the trans label to get access to woman places, be them toilets, shelters or prisons. I sort of see these lot as a secondary infection, they are able to do it as a result of the aforementioned groups.

I used to identify as trans, I realise now what a complete load of nonsense it really is and how others took advantage of my vulnerability. I've gone from troon to gender critical

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Investigating The Tavistock:

Dr Anna Hutchinson and Dr Melissa Midgen have years of experience working at the ‘coal-face’ of the GIDS. They argue that children presenting in ever greater numbers at the GIDS, the majority of whom are girls, suffer from a constellation of psychological, familial and social problems such as child sexual abuse, bullying, low self-esteem, rigid stereotypes of femininity, shame about being same-sex attracted and autism. The conflation of gay conversion therapy with an alleged attempt to convert “transchildren” is utterly simplistic and confuses sexuality with gender. Children currently somatise distress about their sexed bodies through the queer narrative it is possible to be ‘assigned’ the wrong sex at birth. Truth claim to “authentic” trans identity saturates the social media that young people imbibe where adopting a trans identity has a certain cultural cache. Simplistically understanding “transgender” as a real, empirically verifiable condition and interpreting the young person’s distress as the consequence of social stigma can be tantamount to further abuse by clinicians, as Keira Bell and other de-transitioners powerfully argue.

Pronouns are Rohypnol:

 

[byuu]

AHAHAHAHAHA
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Look what a "hot" "girl" I am. You're all just mad you don't get to fuck me.
#NotAFetish

 

[Spangled Drongo]

The issue is that people are being pushed into being Trans due to changing the definitions. About 20 years ago most trans people were initially suicidal and claimed to be incapable of being able to carry on in the "wrong" body. Most people never would expect to meet a transgendered person in their life.

Then things started changing, mostly due to the internet. Initially it became more and more vague on what makes you trans, boys and girls who didn't conform to outdated stereotypes (like a gay boy who hung with the girls at school or a girl who is a tom boy) suddenly became trans. Symptoms of gender dysphoria became generic mental health symptoms and overlapped with clinical depression and anxiety disorders, all this was enabled online and such people say "hey that reminds me of me" and suddenly become trans. That is generally the story for anyone under 25 at least who claims to be trans.

On the other side you have the older troon. Generally late 30s to 50s. These seem to be your autogenophiles. Basically they get a kick of wearing woman's clothes, or having some delusion impression of womanhood (go to the trans widows part of mumsnet to hear some terrible shit) where they try and bring their whole family into the bullcrap. These are also the people behind trans groups like Mermaids and others since they think that by trying to manipulate others into being the same way then it validates their own delusions.

Sort of parallel to those two groups you have the predators, people like Jessica Yaniv or Barbie Kardashian, these are dangerous perverts who want to try and use the trans label to get access to woman places, be them toilets, shelters or prisons. I sort of see these lot as a secondary infection, they are able to do it as a result of the aforementioned groups.

I used to identify as trans, I realise now what a complete load of nonsense it really is and how others took advantage of my vulnerability. I've gone from troon to gender critical

Not to mention that thanks to the invention of non binary and “gender is a spectrum” ideology, trans is now an umbrella term for anyone who doesn’t feel 100% connected to their birth sex, but if that’s the case the label could apply to anyone, completely defeating the purpose of creating such a category to separate a tiny minority of people from the rest of the world. Lots of dumpy awkward women with short neon dyed hair are now calling themselves trans and slapping the pastel coloured flag on everything because they wish they had smaller boobs and a less curvy figure, or have internalised the idea that female = walking baby factory who wears dresses, likes to gossip and submits to men, and because that doesn’t describe them, they must be some other category entirely.

I disagree with most of what the radical feminists have to say (the anti-heterosexual, anti-male rhetoric is batshit insane) but do agree that not following stereotypes doesn’t make you some mystical “other” category outside of male or female. Biological sex simply describes chromosomes and what’s between one’s legs, not likes/dislikes or behaviour.

 

[jorgoth]

LOL if I had the money to burn I would pay for every "transition" that these schizos ask for. It'd be like in the Bible where the Israelites kill all the men and take all the fertile unwed women of a victim population, but with the full consent of the victim population.