General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Black Man Underwear]

In reality, a gender identity is literally just a mood board. It's how you feel. Mostly it's what makes you feel horny.

That's what I have assumed up until now, but it seems to conflict with the concept of transgender surgery. If Charles's identity is more feminine because he plays with dolls and likes doing dress up, sure, that's fine, but it doesn't make him an actual woman. So what if he wants to play with dolls, he's 8. But just because he plays with dolls doesn't mean we need to guillotine his dick. Just because you like to do things that are typically associated with the opposite sex doesn't make you a "man trapped in a woman's body" or a "woman trapped in a man's body," it makes you human.

According to this definition, this is all some kind of strange worldplay, where if someone says "I identify as a woman" they mean "I identify more with femininity than masculinity" as opposed to "I am a woman". But if that's the case, then why, barring the obvious attention seeking, do these people feel the need to impose on the very sex they supposedly identify with, by using womens bathrooms, competing in womens sports, etc.

I hate to quote the (((Daily Wire))) but what is a woman to these people? If it's about temperament, that's normal and acceptable, but you are not a woman. Feminine temperament implies you are just a feminine man. If this is not about temperament, and you are a woman because you say so, what does that mean?

From a sane, neutral perspective, the only logical conclusion is that this is all for attention. Unfortunately, the masses of non-dickslicing people cannot see this conflict, or choose to ignore it. If they present the temperament argument, they roll their eyes and walk away if you bring up the conflict of definitions. If they present the "I am a woman" argument, they do the same when you ask for a definition beyond "a woman is whoever identifies as such".

There's also the notion of temperament expanded to "i just feel uncomfortable in my body the way it is". This begs the question, do we skin people alive when they start babbling about the ants under their skin?

BONUS QUESTION: What constitutes a transgender person?

a) Someone who identifies as a different gender identity
b) Someone who takes hormones
c) Someone who took surgery and hormones
d) A drag queen

 

[Tren Shapiro]

I hate to quote the (((Daily Wire))) but what is a woman to these people?

The definition of woman is entirely contextual. They decide what definition to use based on what would be most destructive to western civilization. If it allows predators to follow little girls into the bathroom, it's self-identification. If a normal-looking man is pro-life, nobody asks what he identifies as. They immediately tell him he doesn't have a right to speak on women's issues.

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

Picked up a copy of Matt Walsh's "What Is a Woman?" book today, at Barnes and Noble of all places! Didn't even know he was compiling his experience into a book, and the fact it was out in the open in the 'Current Events' section was pretty surprising and heartening to see! Only up to chapter four at the moment, but the book is easy to understand with every quote or statistic annotated and listed in the back of the book. Despite the horrid subject matter I'd definitely recommend it!

 

[Black Man Underwear]

Picked up a copy of Matt Walsh's "What Is a Woman?" book today, at Barnes and Noble of all places! Didn't even know he was compiling his experience into a book, and the fact it was out in the open in the 'Current Events' section was pretty surprising and heartening to see! Only up to chapter four at the moment, but the book is easy to understand with every quote or statistic annotated and listed in the back of the book. Despite the horrid subject matter I'd definitely recommend it!

I have a torrented copy of the movie. Didn't know there was a book.

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

I have a torrented copy of the movie. Didn't know there was a book.

Nor did I, seems like it covers a lot of the bases of the movie, but it's cool to have all the facts and stats with evidence readily available in book-form if you're trying to peak your friends and family

 

[Black Man Underwear]

Nor did I, seems like it covers a lot of the bases of the movie, but it's cool to have all the facts and stats with evidence readily available in book-form if you're trying to peak your friends and family

He should do a sequel, "What is a Jew?"

 

[Ingmar Aspergman]

Anyone else really does not want to hate them but is so fucking sick of their shit?

 

[Mothra1988]

Anyone else really does not want to hate them but is so fucking sick of their shit?

If it's an adult and they mind their own business, I mostly don't care as long ast hey aren't pushing thier shit on kids. The funniest thing about the whole tranny-wagon is I think it successfully derailed the 2nd wave feminism comeback that was being pushed hardcore several years before that. Still, I wish this shit would end already, it's obnoxious, I'm tired of hearing about it and so many butch girls and feminine boys fucking their selves over for life is despicable.

 

[Black Man Underwear]

If it's an adult and they mind their own business, I mostly don't care as long ast hey aren't pushing thier shit on kids. The funniest thing about the whole tranny-wagon is I think it successfully derailed the 2nd wave feminism comeback that was being pushed hardcore several years before taht. Still, I wish this shit would end already, it's obnoxious, I'm tired of hearing about it and so many butch girls and feminine boys fucking their selves over for life is despicable.

Troons don't exist in healthy cultures. It's a symptom of this propaganda being pushed on kids every day. You start telling kids outright "women are women, men are men, behavioral exceptions occur but you cannot change your sex," then all of this goes away.

 

[Ingmar Aspergman]

If it's an adult and they mind their own business, I mostly don't care as long ast hey aren't pushing thier shit on kids. The funniest thing about the whole tranny-wagon is I think it successfully derailed the 2nd wave feminism comeback that was being pushed hardcore several years before that. Still, I wish this shit would end already, it's obnoxious, I'm tired of hearing about it and so many butch girls and feminine boys fucking their selves over for life is despicable.

I’m just so sick of the moralizing, why does it matter what I think about your gender identity?

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

I’m just so sick of the moralizing, why does it matter what I think about your gender identity?

Because their identity(ies) is based around outer validation. If they had true inner happiness they wouldn't be trans! The tranny identity can only work if everyone is browbeaten into not believing their own eyes, ears, and instincts, but that's just impossible!

 

[Ingmar Aspergman]

Because their identity(ies) is based around outer validation. If they had true inner happiness they wouldn't be trans! The tranny identity can only work if everyone is browbeaten into not believing their own eyes, ears, and instincts, but that's just impossible!

But even then, literally why is it bad to not think someone is a woman or not? Who gives a a shit

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

But even then, literally why is it bad to not think someone is a woman or not? Who gives a a shit

The answer is threefold: A narcissistic need for control (control of people's speech and behaviors in this case), the eroticism of being perceived as a lady (which, if you don't play along, will wilt their boners) and finally the nagging underlying truth that they KNOW they can never truly be a woman, but forcing others to pretend they are keeps the illusion/ delusion going for a little while longer, and keeps the gun out of their mouth...

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

What an interesting trending tag. As I've often stated, the community is experiencing a divide. I'm also quite happy the idea that queer folks should drop the T from LGBT is catching on.

 

[Monuklear]

Anyone else really does not want to hate them but is so fucking sick of their shit?

I don't hate them. I feel sorry for most of them. The only ones I don't feel sorry for are the adult male AGP sexual deviants - hose are also usually the most annoying and predatory ones, and the ones who ruin every worthwhile online community. They can go fuck themselves.
But for all the mentally ill FtMs, the underage ones, and even some MtFs who are just timid nerds with autism who got caught up in the lies, my heart can't hold any true hatred, only pity.

What I hate is the culture surrounding it and the activist/medical industrial complex that enables and encourages so many misguided young people to permanently mutilate their bodies.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Honest question. What is gender identity?

Really, what is it? Not literally, we all know it's a mental illness, but the definition according to leftists. You can't even talk to one of their zombies because not even they know what they are supporting.

There's an argument about niggers, abortion, guns, etc. But you can't talk about gender identity, because the very idea is incomprehensible. A troon lover can scream about how abortion is good for women, and you can disprove that with basic morality and statistics, but when the same troon lover screams about "gender identity", you're suddenly faced with the endless "spectrum", like a final boss of internet shitslinging.

Is there even a unified definition? Probably not, but given that Google defines gender identity as gender identity, is there anyone who can tell me what the fuck they are talking about?

Honestly this is an objectively hard question to ask even amongst the sane members of society because their really isn’t an agreed upon consensus. The one thing i'll give enby faggots some benefit of the doubt over is that gender of of itself is a very abstract thing, sex has proven to be scientifically fixed and ingrained with our biological system whether transpeople want to admit to or not, but the concept of gender roles really are just superficial attributes that we give towards various cultures and social norms associated with the times.

It isn't a fixed thing like sex has been scientifically proven to be, it’s such a tangible concept because it really is superficial nonsense like how at young ages we associate and codify Boys as liking the colour Blue or Girls being obsessed with Pink and associating contextual patterns of behaviour or likes and interests based on pre conceived notions about gender. That’s why so many trans people MtF’s especially are autistic, because they hold strictly to the ideas of gender roles and love the idea of womanhood being this fancy girly image that will make them loved. They have such fixed views of gender roles being fed to them via porn, media or secularised gender stereotypes it’s made them fall in love with feelings and idea’s.

Basically what @teriyakiburns said gender is an objectively a mood board of sorts and doesn’t really have any official definition it is by design a fictional concept that we have created over such a wide stretch of time, it’s so hard to give a definition because scientifically and objectively there Isn’t one. Gender Identity really so that malleable and enby and non-binary types have so many genders because it truly is that abstract, It’s all based upon feeling and some esoteric binary spectrum that we associate with items, objects, patterns of thought and behaviour which coalesce in time into some perceived being of male or feminine or gender special/queer/trigender whatever nonsense you can fucking imagine because their was never an official agreed upon consensus.

 

[ryuichi]

I’m just so sick of the moralizing, why does it matter what I think about your gender identity?

It does not matter; it only matters if you make it matter.
Apparently this life will make some explore many many different things.
Many

 

[policemanatee]

It's autistic culture writ large.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Anyone else really does not want to hate them but is so fucking sick of their shit?

Yeah i don't hate trans people at all, I think if they just went about their ways in peace then it would be fine, but then you see all the pedophilia, invading women's spaces, narcissism and grooming, furry shit, sexual deviancy, and all of the lies, enormous sense of entitlement and huge amount of lolcows in the tranny sphere and then my sympathy just kind of erodes.

I think the pedophilia is the biggest railroad into people here and their hatred of troon culture. If we could somewhere just curbstomp that out and have mandated programmes that prevent a lot of the encouraging to Troon out minors before their 18 and make them see gender dysphoria as something they should deal with when there older then maybe we could cut away a huge deal of hatred.

 

[gang weeder]

Basically what @teriyakiburns said gender is an objectively a mood board of sorts and doesn’t really have any official definition it is by design a fictional concept that we have created over such a wide stretch of time, it’s so hard to give a definition because scientifically and objectively there Isn’t one. Gender Identity really so that malleable and enby and non-binary types have so many genders because it truly is that abstract, It’s all based upon feeling and some esoteric binary spectrum that we associate with items, objects, patterns of thought and behaviour which coalesce in time into some perceived being of male or feminine or gender special/queer/trigender whatever nonsense you can fucking imagine because their was never an official agreed upon consensus.

The whole idea of "gender identity" is made up gobbledy gook word salad schizophrenic attention seeking nonsense. It is equally as valid as the concept of "species identity," or "race identity." Like if I went around saying "today I FEEEEEEEEL a bit more like a nigger, I guess I'll smoke some crack and steal a bike!" It's just codification of mental illness, nothing more. It irritates me that so many people seem to be either too young, or to have such a poor memory, that they genuinely don't seem to know that until about 2 seconds ago gender and sex were used purely as synonyms.