General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Norbert the Tiger]

You weren't lying when you said you aren't knowledgeable about sports. There are plenty of average men who participate in amateur sports for fun and are nowhere near good enough to become professional athletes, whose capabilities are nonetheless world class or Olympic calibre compared to the best female athletes in the world. Does that mean these men should also compete in women's sport? They wouldn't dominate or destroy the competition so that must be where they belong, right? For example there are semi-pro or amateur male tennis players who could get through at least a couple of rounds of a WTA tournament against full-blown tour card holding female professionals.

Sports are segregated on biology for a reason. They aren't segregated on "level of performance" otherwise we would be grouping them as the absolute best males, the not-quite-as-good-but-still-great males, the still-pretty-good males etc. long before we ever get to the level of elite female athletes.

Any argument for trannies in sport is simply an argument to not have any sex-segregation in sports at all.

Chris Evert could not beat her brother, who was an unranked college tennis player. One of the Williams sisters was mouthingnodf about beating men and iirc some German fellow challenged them and beat them. I recall him being much more of an amateur than he is or was. I seem to recall he was hungover but that may be incorrect.

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[Mecha-King Ghidorah]

The Incel to Trans pipeline is pretty well defined and documented, but I've seen another pipeline referenced here a few isolated times: Military to Trans pipeline. What's the steps or reasons on this one? Reason it's on my mind is I saw that very thing play out with a guy I know from my local game store who's a marine corps veteran then trooned out last year

 

[Smug]

The Incel to Trans pipeline is pretty well defined and documented, but I've seen another pipeline referenced here a few isolated times: Military to Trans pipeline. What's the steps or reasons on this one? Reason it's on my mind is I saw that very thing play out with a guy I know from my local game store who's a marine corps veteran then trooned out last year

Does your military have free healthcare for its serving members, and does that include SRS/GRS/HRT/etc.? If so, then that's pretty much your answer. It's the same incel->troon pipeline but with one easier step for them.

If a vet, then there's increased chance that they're socially isolated, which increases the chance that they'd be vulnerable to the gender cult.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

The Incel to Trans pipeline is pretty well defined and documented, but I've seen another pipeline referenced here a few isolated times: Military to Trans pipeline. What's the steps or reasons on this one? Reason it's on my mind is I saw that very thing play out with a guy I know from my local game store who's a marine corps veteran then trooned out last year

I feel like it’s tied to PTSD, like they’re trying to separate from the human that committed the acts of war they feel guilty about partaking in, and they feel like creating a new identity. The lack of medical and mental health care for vets in the United States is notioriously terrible, so instead of seeking psychiatric treatment they start transitioning.

I didn’t realize how massive this pipeline was until just the other day when I realized that 3 out of the 4 military vets I’ve interacted with online were troons, specifically all MtF.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

The Incel to Trans pipeline is pretty well defined and documented, but I've seen another pipeline referenced here a few isolated times: Military to Trans pipeline. What's the steps or reasons on this one? Reason it's on my mind is I saw that very thing play out with a guy I know from my local game store who's a marine corps veteran then trooned out last year

It could be that they're isolated, but it makes a little more sense if you look at transgenderism as a socially compensatory mechanism.

That's a common subtype of tranny, the ragehead with very little self control who goes trans because being socially recognized as a woman would recontextualize their aggressive and egotistical impulses such that they seem acceptable or even laudable. Right or not, in current culture men are expected to exercise a lot more self control in that respect.

Plus they're accustomed to being given direction, purpose, and something to stand for, they get out of the military and then what? They look for a new cause and a new flag.

I feel like it’s tied to PTSD, like they’re trying to separate from the human that committed the acts of war they feel guilty about partaking in, and they feel like creating a new identity. The lack of medical and mental health care for vets in the United States is notioriously terrible, so instead of seeking psychiatric treatment they start transitioning.

I didn’t realize how massive this pipeline was until just the other day when I realized that 3 out of the 4 military vets I’ve interacted with online were troons, specifically all MtF.

Although this applies just as much, if not more so to guys who never saw frontline duty. They don't really have any reason to have PTSD.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

It could be that they're isolated, but it makes a little more sense if you look at transgenderism as a socially compensatory mechanism.

That's a common subtype of tranny, the ragehead with very little self control who goes trans because being socially recognized as a woman would recontextualize their aggressive and egotistical impulses such that they seem acceptable or even laudable. Right or not, in current culture men are expected to exercise a lot more self control in that respect.

Plus they're accustomed to being given direction, purpose, and something to stand for, they get out of the military and then what? They look for a new cause and a new flag.


Although this applies just as much, if not more so to guys who never saw frontline duty. They don't really have any reason to have PTSD.

Yeah, that’s true. I do think that there are comorbid mental health issues at play here instead of just PTSD. I know a lot of people in the military come from rural towns, which are less likely to have decent mental health care plus a more rigid view on how men should act. It wouldn’t surprise me if many of the soldiers trooning out were more nerdy/feminine than their other male compadres, so when you have a quirky country boy from a small town community going into the military to pay for getting into college to get out of his bumpkin town, they probably get exposed to Troon shit from others who also feel like outsiders. Troons have already attracted goths, emos, autists, nerds, the mentally ill, tomboys, effeminate gays, and artsy types, what’s to stop them from going for these kinds of folks in the military?

 

[Mecha-King Ghidorah]

So basically the same pipeline

 

[doodoocaca]

Troons have already attracted goths, emos, autists, nerds, the mentally ill, tomboys, effeminate gays, and artsy types, what’s to stop them from going for these kinds of folks in the military?

The queen berets.

 

[Mecha-King Ghidorah]

The queen berets.

With a 41% casualty rate

 

[Mrs. Addams]

I'd categorized the military ones as "Failed at being a man".

(Whatever standard of manliness it is that they're chasing... I guess even being a roided out special forces dude didn't get them there?)

 

[Mecha-King Ghidorah]

I'd categorized the military ones as "Failed at being a man".

(Whatever standard of manliness it is that they're chasing... I guess even being a roided out special forces dude didn't get them there?)

Unless your masculinity can be described with Chuck Norris Facts you might as well chop your dick off now.

 

[⳩•••]

It could be that they're isolated, but it makes a little more sense if you look at transgenderism as a socially compensatory mechanism.

That's a common subtype of tranny, the ragehead with very little self control who goes trans because being socially recognized as a woman would recontextualize their aggressive and egotistical impulses such that they seem acceptable or even laudable. Right or not, in current culture men are expected to exercise a lot more self control in that respect.

Plus they're accustomed to being given direction, purpose, and something to stand for, they get out of the military and then what? They look for a new cause and a new flag.


Although this applies just as much, if not more so to guys who never saw frontline duty. They don't really have any reason to have PTSD.

The so called “trans” community has many subfactions and you are describing one of them perfectly.

A greater number of them are using “transition” as a substitute for suicide. They are trying to avoid being themselves as they have pathologically low self esteem and low social value. It is a living suicide, in a lot of cases a dress rehearsal for suicide.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

Unless your masculinity can be described with Chuck Norris Facts you might as well chop your dick off now.

This, but unironically. Though, instead of chopping off your small dick, you should kys

 

[Chiliarch]

Rate me with rainbows for this, but I feel like Transgenderism has taken a stronghold in the West because of one reason: it generates a lot of revenue for, and intrinsically benefits, capitalism.

Companies can hire trans women rather than actual women since they don’t have to worry about providing paid/unpaid maternity leave. Trans women also don’t create generational wealth and due to most trans people being incredibly materialistic, will put that money right back into the system instead of creating a nest egg. Companies can also claim to be fulfilling a diversity quota by hiring trans women, and if cis women complain, these women will be called “TERFS” and be completely vilified. It’s just another way for companies to skate by hiring less women.

Women in general spend a lot more on consumer goods than men, and trans women are no different, however they benefit one industry a lot more than bio women do: the pharmaceutical industry. They create hundreds of millions in revenue yearly from prescriptions for Lupron and hormone blockers alone, imagine how much is being made from SRS surgeries and giving troons cosmetic surgeries to make them true and honest women.

Most of here already know that troons are rabid consumers of pornography, as is the case with many people who seldom venture out of their house and form actual relationships. They probably generate a lot of wealth for an already bloated, multibillion dollar industry.

I agree that transgenderism works well with capitalism, but not for the reasons listed; transgenderism is amazing for the pharmaceutical industry. Transgender surgeries are all prohibitly expensive and there are several of them. The more the better. And lets not forget HRT - it is INSANELY expensive and the person has to take it for their entire life. Whats there not to like? Thats a steady and reliable inflow of revenue. The reasons you listed seem weak in comparison.

I'd categorized the military ones as "Failed at being a man".

(Whatever standard of manliness it is that they're chasing... I guess even being a roided out special forces dude didn't get them there?)

My bet is that they just compare themselves to other marines and of course you will feel lacking if you just do that. Not that I would know though

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

I agree that transgenderism works well with capitalism, but not for the reasons listed; transgenderism is amazing for the pharmaceutical industry. Transgender surgeries are all prohibitly expensive and there are several of them. The more the better. And lets not forget HRT - it is INSANELY expensive and the person has to take it for their entire life. Whats there not to like? Thats a steady and reliable inflow of revenue. The reasons you listed seem weak in comparison.






My bet is that they just compare themselves to other marines and of course you will feel lacking if you just do that. Not that I would know though

I did bring up the pharmaceutical industry, but the reason I didn’t bring up using it for life is because the lives of trans individuals is measured in years, not decades, after they start HRT. So yeah, while they are making money for pharma while on HRT; their inevitable catapult into the 41% leaves profits smaller than say, someone who’s gonna be needing diabetic medication and insulin for the rest of their life.

 

[Chiliarch]

I did bring up the pharmaceutical industry, but the reason I didn’t bring up using it for life is because the lives of trans individuals is measured in years, not decades, after they start HRT. So yeah, while they are making money for pharma while on HRT; their inevitable catapult into the 41% leaves profits smaller than say, someone who’s gonna be needing diabetic medication and insulin for the rest of their life.

You are wrong. The 41% (even if true) is trans people who attempt suicide rather than finish it. And even then, most transgenders are actually not the 15 year old incels on twitter, but the 40+ year old people with a middle age crisis. And besides, the money is so good that it is worth it just for a few years too.

 

[Mecha-King Ghidorah]

You are wrong. The 41% (even if true) is trans people who attempt suicide rather than finish it. And even then, most transgenders are actually not the 15 year old incels on twitter, but the 40+ year old people with a middle age crisis. And besides, the money is so good that it is worth it just for a few years too.

Those are the ones that really sicken me. Stupid teenagers and twentysomethings is one thing, abandoning your family to chase your fantasy is another. What happened to Dad buying a sports car when the midlife crisis hit?

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

You are wrong. The 41% (even if true) is trans people who attempt suicide rather than finish it. And even then, most transgenders are actually not the 15 year old incels on twitter, but the 40+ year old people with a middle age crisis. And besides, the money is so good that it is worth it just for a few years too.

It’s both. I’ve met a lot more younger people trooning than elder tbf, but the Farms has exposed me to the geriatric population of old creepy fuck men attempting to be true and honest women.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

The Incel to Trans pipeline is pretty well defined and documented, but I've seen another pipeline referenced here a few isolated times: Military to Trans pipeline. What's the steps or reasons on this one? Reason it's on my mind is I saw that very thing play out with a guy I know from my local game store who's a marine corps veteran then trooned out last year

I recently listened to a perspective of the Furry Fandom and Second Life that essentially presented the idea that most furry avatars on Second Life are attempting to cope with some sort of trauma. Rejecting the human appearance for an anthropomorphic one helps people cope with something that may have happened in the past. I'd wager it is similar to some of the military trannies, perhaps they hate themselves, suffer from PTSD, or what have you so they turn to transitional therapy to "become a new person" like in Second Life but in real life and maybe more preferable to suicide; even though some end up doing it anyway or de-transition. It is probably why they get butt hurt when you "deadname" them as well.

Another example, priests. Specifically those that end up touching little boys. As Chaos stated previously, these folks going into the military may have grown up in an environment where exploration of sexuality was a no no or was told it was a sin or simply didn't have the opportunity. They turn to Christ seeking salvation but never actually addressing their repressed sexuality. Kids are innocent and easy to manipulate so these people take out their missed exploration on something powerless compared to them. Maybe it isn't even malicious, still an abhorrent act, but perhaps it is psychological infantilism or "role playing" scenarios they wish they had done as kids. My point is, it ain't natural, and when I meet a tranny I automatically assume they've been hurt at some point in their life. 9 times out of 10, I am absolutely correct.

Same with the LGBTQ community, pre-gay marriage. It was counter culture, it attracted "the others" of society welcoming folks in with open arms united under one thing: Sexuality. Unfortunately, this also attracted pedophiles. However, back then, the prevailing sentiment was don't talk about it or if you did you'd probably be alienated by the community. Fast forward, same sex unions are allowed, the gatekeepers of the community accomplished their goals. Some stuck around but eventually made their own lives leaving behind tilled soil. Unfortunately, all of those pedos and whatever other sepsis planted their seeds and without the farmers to control it allowed the weeds to grow into what we have now; a colossal mess. Out of the group of people I still talk to from that old community, none have gone to pride in years, they absolutely hate drag queens who have gone political, and despise this narrative that groomer is an LGBTQ slur because it implies that all gays are for grooming. I've kind of lost the plot a little, but I think this is the best way to describe and rationalize what I'm seeing in the day to day.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

I wonder it there's something about military training that does depersonalise you in some way - the necessity of staying alive requires a real "in each other's pockets" teamwork and taking on a persona unlike your own. I could see even people who never experienced combat feeling bereft of an identity when they step away.

Also if they'd indulged in any AGP sissy fetishes when they were younger, and still felt shame for it, they might have tried to go into a job role that was ULTRA MASCULINE to overcompensate.

I've mentioned before but my work is super male dominated - used to be troons galore, more troon than women in some areas, back in the day when it wasn't that fashionable. But when the job began to let more women in (literally the hiring practices were designed to cull for a certain kind of nerd in places), the troonism declined. We've never had them in my area, and we are the most feminine department. Plenty of Gays and Lesbians though, but no they/them genderspecials.