Imperial Priorities
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guess it must feel a bit extra lonely on the tranch around christmas timeStiiiiillllll no data uwu ~*~
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Have you considered actually reading what you quoted.
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Late, but what the hell, I'll bite. I've been the farms for a while and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious about the questions I'd get for outing myself as a filthy tranny on the New Zealand Agricultural Center. If the possible sperging derails the thread / is too much, kindly send death threats to my inbox; all I ask is that you at least make it original.
You're a stupid coombrained troon with no other reason to come here than argue and bitch about opinions and scientific research you don't like. Troons like you are the reason for the knee-jerk reaction of visceral disgust and annoyance against other trannies.Stiiiiillllll no data uwu ~*~
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My problem with trannies mostly is the fact that they want to shape this reality for themselves.
A reality where they are the main character and everyone is happy and nice and call them women.
Anyone who dares to threaten this little reality bubble of theirs they will get hostile, threatening you with violence or doing petty shit.
Threatening their reality can either be not agreeing with them or not giving them enough attention.
Should their reality fall apart they would either adapt, start anew, or 41%.
In the case of commiedickgurl, they adapted and tries to turn the negative attention from the popeyes video into positive for swinging with the people who made fun of him, pay attention to how many trannies do this, it will baffle you.
The worst part is that people allow this sociopathic behavior, It's a mix of not wanting to argue with an insane person or being so pozzed that you think they don't know any better or are genuinely sorry.
They know better, it's a ploy to get back on that tranny dopamine ride of people adapting for you, a sense of control which they cannot live without.
Do I pity them?
I would say 50/50 at this point, however, it's massively increasing.
Most of them want power over communities or troon while being a mod which never ends well.
All of them go through drastic changes to be more trans-inclusive and do anything in their power to achieve their perfect hugbox.
This seems fine, however executing it is a pain, as you have to change everything for the tranny, you might as well give them ownership of the thing you run.
This often results in bans originating from wrong think, making shit up because the tranny does not like them or trying to belittle them and until you talk back, you get banned for protecting yourself.
Since a while ago, I am in groups where they don't tolerate trannies anymore.
It isn't even "We hate them to be edgy" like in the early 2010s, it has been absolute malice against them for going through the same shit I did by trooning gone wrong.
If trannies really want to be accepted, then they should fuck off acting like this victim complex vampire and start acting like normal people.
A reality where they are the main character and everyone is happy and nice and call them women.
Anyone who dares to threaten this little reality bubble of theirs they will get hostile, threatening you with violence or doing petty shit.
Threatening their reality can either be not agreeing with them or not giving them enough attention.
Should their reality fall apart they would either adapt, start anew, or 41%.
In the case of commiedickgurl, they adapted and tries to turn the negative attention from the popeyes video into positive for swinging with the people who made fun of him, pay attention to how many trannies do this, it will baffle you.
The worst part is that people allow this sociopathic behavior, It's a mix of not wanting to argue with an insane person or being so pozzed that you think they don't know any better or are genuinely sorry.
They know better, it's a ploy to get back on that tranny dopamine ride of people adapting for you, a sense of control which they cannot live without.
Do I pity them?
I would say 50/50 at this point, however, it's massively increasing.
Most of them want power over communities or troon while being a mod which never ends well.
All of them go through drastic changes to be more trans-inclusive and do anything in their power to achieve their perfect hugbox.
This seems fine, however executing it is a pain, as you have to change everything for the tranny, you might as well give them ownership of the thing you run.
This often results in bans originating from wrong think, making shit up because the tranny does not like them or trying to belittle them and until you talk back, you get banned for protecting yourself.
Since a while ago, I am in groups where they don't tolerate trannies anymore.
It isn't even "We hate them to be edgy" like in the early 2010s, it has been absolute malice against them for going through the same shit I did by trooning gone wrong.
If trannies really want to be accepted, then they should fuck off acting like this victim complex vampire and start acting like normal people.
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That's really my only gripe. This freaky idea they have that they can just call themselves women. Worse, though, I'd let the first part slide, but the idea they can force everyone else to pretend they're women.
Nope. Forcing everyone else to deny reality is not acceptable.
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Trannies are gross and mentally ill, but if we take a silver lining, they make feminists ree deliciously. Both are degenerates, but Uncle Adolf is not around to save us.
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Here are my no-studies, anecdotally-based findings. I'm sure there exists a mental disorder that causes someone to believe they're the opposite sex. Sucks to be you, fate I wouldn't wish on most people. We don't really have a way to fix it. Now, I suspect there's a list of about 2-5ish different specific (or clusters of, as the case may be) disorders that leads to trannytown, and I think it's a shame that our medical establishment treats all of them like they're the same thing.
- There's the True And Honest Tranny disorder, which I maintain is very, very, very, very, VERY rare. You have mental problems with your sex. You may have other mental issues, related or otherwise, but that's the primary thing that's wrong with you. Doctors haven't figured out a good way to deal with you, so they're basically experimenting on you and calling it "established medical practice".
- Then there's the corpus of various paths to troonery. It manifests as a contagious social disease that crops up from some combination of grooming, autism, feeling like you failed to live up to your societal role, porn addiction, suggestability because you're in the middle of a puberty hormone bath, whatever. Trooning for this person is the end of a long narcissistic journey seeking the next orgasm. In my experience, these variants are much, much more common. And because it's not socially acceptable to be an open perverted freakshow, these troons (and the establishments they've infested) claim they're the helpless victims of a mental disorder, when they're merely the 2021 version of the alley flasher in a trench coat.
If you're the first kind, I don't envy you. Your life was fucked before Big Troon came along, and now everyone hates you because gross pornsick freaks latched onto your niche mental disorder to explain away their predatory disgusting fetish. The smug, unwashed, hideous Twitter troon is just so unbelievably common that it's barely worth digging through the piles of exploded crotchmeat to find the ten bewildered mentally ill humans wondering where all of these perverted monsters came from.
- There's the True And Honest Tranny disorder, which I maintain is very, very, very, very, VERY rare. You have mental problems with your sex. You may have other mental issues, related or otherwise, but that's the primary thing that's wrong with you. Doctors haven't figured out a good way to deal with you, so they're basically experimenting on you and calling it "established medical practice".
- Then there's the corpus of various paths to troonery. It manifests as a contagious social disease that crops up from some combination of grooming, autism, feeling like you failed to live up to your societal role, porn addiction, suggestability because you're in the middle of a puberty hormone bath, whatever. Trooning for this person is the end of a long narcissistic journey seeking the next orgasm. In my experience, these variants are much, much more common. And because it's not socially acceptable to be an open perverted freakshow, these troons (and the establishments they've infested) claim they're the helpless victims of a mental disorder, when they're merely the 2021 version of the alley flasher in a trench coat.
If you're the first kind, I don't envy you. Your life was fucked before Big Troon came along, and now everyone hates you because gross pornsick freaks latched onto your niche mental disorder to explain away their predatory disgusting fetish. The smug, unwashed, hideous Twitter troon is just so unbelievably common that it's barely worth digging through the piles of exploded crotchmeat to find the ten bewildered mentally ill humans wondering where all of these perverted monsters came from.
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Honestly, I don't disagree with you. The trend of "transitioning can be fetish but it's still valid" and a claim for screaming victimhood across the board for any misdeeds of the person was the worst thing that could have happened to the transgender movement; it made the majority of us look like perverted freaks and whining manchildren that couldn't deal with reality without blubbering about muh marginalization.
The other big issue is exposure; the first type of troon is much, much louder and more noticeable than trans people who transition and get on with their lives as functional adults- they're people who happen to be trans and don't treat it like their entire personality because it's not that big of an aspect in their lives, which is not the case with troons. First impressions are important, and unfortunately troons fucking ruin it by cumming in their pants and screeching you're wrong for invalidating their exhibition kink.
Imperial Priorities
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You losers remember when the operator of the site said I hadn't derailed the thread then they had to to move me and all my responses to another thread which promptly died. Losers lmao
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With all due respect what you, and other "based trannies", ask of us is impossible. You ask us to deny plain reality, to play pretend for the rest of our lives. I'm sorry that you wound up that way but I must disagree that there are trannies that "get along like other adults". This is not something we should be normalizing.
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LMFAO they can't be serious.
I find it funny how LGBT gangstas exactly like SJWs are so narcissistic and entitled that even when they commit crimes they see repercussions more as an attack than a punishment.
Someone who was really perecuted by the gov was Julian Assange for hosting files on a public wiki from anons and I'm pretty sure none of it was illegal, atleast in the USA. By comparison, this troon literally went out of his way to break into some server to garner the information.
Why are trannies always so entitled for fuck's sake.
I find it funny how LGBT gangstas exactly like SJWs are so narcissistic and entitled that even when they commit crimes they see repercussions more as an attack than a punishment.
Someone who was really perecuted by the gov was Julian Assange for hosting files on a public wiki from anons and I'm pretty sure none of it was illegal, atleast in the USA. By comparison, this troon literally went out of his way to break into some server to garner the information.
Why are trannies always so entitled for fuck's sake.
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Reporting the suicide of a tranny known to me: Guy changed his name to "Ripley" (very probably after the Aliens character). Cis sister also killed herself this year. He did not pass AT ALL.
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Troons and other trans people demanding that the people they interact with change their viewpoints solely to fit their own beliefs is selfish and does deny the reality of the situation, and I also agree shouldn't be normalized- not just with trans people, but with anyone. It's a genuinely childish reaction to a conflicting viewpoint when the obviously better and more respected option is to simply walk away and not interact in the future- you're not forcing your beliefs down their throat and vice versa.
Granted, it's difficult to have the "polite but aloof" attitude when the person may be a family member or best friend, but that's a case-by-case basis that I can't speak on without PLing to hell and back.
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CEL-E-BRATE GOOD TIMES
COME ON
Obviously, those are rookie numbers, so nothing too interesting there.
What's (((notable))) about the article is that they blame "anti-transgender" legislation like state-level bans on gender transition for kids, when the obvious culprit for this "epidemic" of transgender killings is
COME ON
Obviously, those are rookie numbers, so nothing too interesting there.
What's (((notable))) about the article is that they blame "anti-transgender" legislation like state-level bans on gender transition for kids, when the obvious culprit for this "epidemic" of transgender killings is
- Transgenderism being more popular than ever among the useless
- Killings being more common due to defund the police
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Just to add, the family "deadnamed" him on his tombstone and put "son" instead of daughter. LOL. His original name was "Ask". He leaves behind a son, and a woman with borderline personality disorder who molests the son. The mom of the tranny is blaming the crazy woman because the guy became a tranny after dating her.
Trannies are SO mentally ill, it's just insane how mentally sick they are.
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I hate seeing this statistic quoted because how many of them were killed due to "transphobia"?
Like in this example:
Granted that was some brave shit but apart from that nobody shot at her just for being a troon. A glance at the rest of the incidents doesn't seem to suggest that anyone of them were killed because someone was "transphobic". If you run the numbers, normies die from violence at a much higher rate than them.
It's just the usual hyperbole for political points and virtue signalling at the cost of enabling mental illnesses.
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I've never met a tranny that wasn't underage, mentally ill, coombrained, or a mixture of the three. I've never seen an arguement that wasn't "wrong side of history", "because science", or "how does it hurt you?".
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The thing that gets me is that, for the most part, the trans women who are subject to this violence are in that situation predominantly because they are housing insecure/below the poverty line/in the sex trade. If you look at the list the HRC compiled, it's mostly black and latino trans women on the very fringes of society already, and almost all of the people are listed as having been homeless or recently been homeless in the past. A lot of the violence is not necessarily directly anti-trans, but come from the precarious position these people live in already. The descriptions of the crimes rarely show any proof of direct anti-trans animus, which means that for many it was probably just being homeless and passing for a woman that got them targeted. IIRC it's something like 36 homeless people die every day in US. Homeless men and especially women, without the trans identity, also die in horrific violence all the time. They're beaten, they're raped, they're even set on fire. So it's not a trans issue, per se, but a homelessness issue with an added trans dimension.
And you can argue that the precarity Trans people face at a disproportionate rate is a social ill that needs to change. But the direct through line of this violence to things like bathroom legislation, or not giving kids hormone blockers, is sparse. It's not a direct causal link, it's an indirect "general bigotry in society" link. But NGOs like the HRC campaign off of these statistics to the tune of millions of dollars raised, to fight exclusively for things that don't do shit for the people directly facing this violence: homeless or housing insecure people. Some local orgs do housing, but that's basically a non-existent priority for most of the people who use this statistic.
And you have people like Brianna Wu, who was just another dude in the tech industry until he transitioned, piggybacking on this death. These dudes are basically fine, they have jobs, networks to rely on, money. But they troon out and suddenly they are part of an oppressed minority WHO IS BEING ATTACKED! Except not really, they basically have nothing in common with the people they're claiming as a shield. And it lets them get away with claiming to be even more targeted than cis women in their industries and positions. It's such a phony act, it's a bait and switch that tugs at heartstrings for people who are too scared to critically examine the narrative being presented.
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Crossposting this from the Sideshow thread as it maybe belongs here more:
To quote Messaging Guide: Transgender Youth and the Freedom to Be Ourselves - Building Our Choir with a Race Class Gender Narrative by ASO Communications, Transgender Law Centre and Lake Research Partners:
This has been extensively researched and tested. Anat Shenker-Osorio uses a multidisciplinary team to shape narratives and Lake Research Partners has worked on Biden and AOC's campaigns along with Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign. This treatment was expensive to put together and it's clearly something that would be effective - how many of us got lead on the road to peaking because twitter troons were screaming about how words are literal violence and the TERFs are causing genocide by saying sex is real?
But it's all for nothing. A decade of social justice activists saying "It's not my duty to educate you", decrying "respectability politics" and "tone policing", mocking white/cis fragility... the idea of modulating your language to win over people on the fence is alien to them, because instead of thinking "I should try and convince people that it's important to me to be able to use a bathroom that matches my gender" it's "I have A RIGHT to use the women's restroom and anyone who disagrees is a TERF who deserves her teeth kicked in". You see this with people like PhilosophyTube - "I'm tired of waiting, I want what I want NOW NOW NOW".
Twitter AGPs are their own undoing
To quote Messaging Guide: Transgender Youth and the Freedom to Be Ourselves - Building Our Choir with a Race Class Gender Narrative by ASO Communications, Transgender Law Centre and Lake Research Partners:
| Say this... | Instead of... | Because... |
| Our genders Genders | Gender | Pluralising genders enables greater agreement with our worldview and helps activate more expansive attitudes towards our genders and transgender people. |
| Respect each other for who we are, transgender or not Support all young people to be their authentic selves and pursue their dreams Each one of us should have the freedom to be ourselves, no matter the colour of our skin, how we worship or our genders | Protect vulnerable transgender kids | Promoting the creation of a positive good (the freedom of self expression) is more effective than appeals to ameliorate harm (protecting transgender young people from violence and discrimination). It generates support and trust from our base for transgender young people to know what is best for their own health and wellbeing. |
| Some people in power try to put us in boxes based on what we look like, where we're from, or our genders Certain politicians push laws that restrict our freedoms based on the colour of our skin, what's in our wallets or because we're transgender | Transgender kids face crushing bullying and discrimination, which threatens their physical and mental health | The container/box metaphor is extremely effective across racial and ethnic groups for explaining what the villains are doing and how it harms all of us. It resonates with persuadables, builds empathy and galvanises our base to oppose those in power who seek to limit us based on who we are and control what transgender people can or cannot do. Focusing on the unique harms that transgender people face, on the other hand, further distances our audiences from the discussion, othering transgender people and at best eliciting pity. It also decreases our base and even progressive activist's trust in transgender young people to know what is best for their own health and well-being. |
| Whether we are Black, white or brown, Native or newcomer, transgender or not People of all races, backgrounds and genders No matter what we look like, where we come from, or how we express our genders | All of us / Everyone / We all | For a Race Class Gender Narrative to be effective, it's important to build connection by naming what we share across our differences. Explicitly naming specific races and genders can be more helpful than broader references to "races and genders" but both approaches perform well. |
| Certain politicians exploit divisions among us to try to get back into power. Some people in power fuel divisions based on race and exploit our lack of familiarity with transgender people so they can deny our communities the resources, jobs and healthcare we all need. A handful of politicians stoke fear, trying to get us to turn against some group instead of joining together to demand what all of our families need. | Our opposition is racist/transphobic. Politicians divide us. | Framing the strategic racism of our opponents as fueling or exploiting existing divisions between us generates stronger agreement than directly blaming them for their divisions. This is an especially important distinction when talking about how our opposition stokes fear of transgender people. Our target audiences know that transphobia is widespread - and often themselves feel unsure about transgender people - so they do not buy statements attributing fear and division to certain politicians. By acknowledging our audience's own questions, concerns and lack of familiarity with what it means to be transgender, though, we can can remind them of their better values and intentions, and help them recognise how certain politicians take advantage of and manipulate their unease. It is helpful to echo and link how they "exploit" division across races and lack of familiarity with transgender people. |
| Certain politicians... Some people in power... A powerful few... | Politicians The wealthy/powerful | To credibly name a villain, it's critical to make clear that you're implicating specific individuals (e.g. certain or some politicians) as opposed to vilifying whole categories of people. |
| [Certain politicians]... trying to get back into power/get and hold onto power. ...who want to block us from joining together to demand what we all deserve. ...who want to pick and choose who counts. | Transphobes/racists | In addition to naming our villains, we must expose the motivations behind their actions. "Getting back into power", "getting and holding onto power", exclusion and control broadly and blocking us from demanding the resources we all need all currently resonate with base and persuadable audiences in explaining why the opposition introduces these attacks on transgender people. |
This has been extensively researched and tested. Anat Shenker-Osorio uses a multidisciplinary team to shape narratives and Lake Research Partners has worked on Biden and AOC's campaigns along with Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign. This treatment was expensive to put together and it's clearly something that would be effective - how many of us got lead on the road to peaking because twitter troons were screaming about how words are literal violence and the TERFs are causing genocide by saying sex is real?
But it's all for nothing. A decade of social justice activists saying "It's not my duty to educate you", decrying "respectability politics" and "tone policing", mocking white/cis fragility... the idea of modulating your language to win over people on the fence is alien to them, because instead of thinking "I should try and convince people that it's important to me to be able to use a bathroom that matches my gender" it's "I have A RIGHT to use the women's restroom and anyone who disagrees is a TERF who deserves her teeth kicked in". You see this with people like PhilosophyTube - "I'm tired of waiting, I want what I want NOW NOW NOW".
Twitter AGPs are their own undoing