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Imperial Priorities said:
…the state of trans healthcare research…
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The state of trans healthcare is currently in flux. Treatment is based off of studies done when persistent dysphoria occurred in 1 in 10,000 men and 1 in 30,000 women. Today, it’s over 2% of teens, and it predominantly afflicts girls. Also the treatment model for teens was based on a dutch study that vigorously screened applicants for other mental health disorders and only included very early onset dysphoria (since toddlerhood) whereas today, 90% of young patients have other psychiatric comorbidities with dysphoria largely presenting during or after puberty.

So it’s basically a dumpster fire. As a result of this, most EU countries are changing treatment models and there is growing pushback in the US medical community to change it here as well and move away from simple informed consent. There’s a good overview at https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/958742. It’s paywalled but you can find the full text over at TERF island: https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical...ians-are-incredibly-refreshing-to-see-time-to

If you are earnest in your desire to be free from dysphoria, I suggest reaching out to the users at r/detrans (they have a discord as well). They are by and large girls (though some boys), on the spectrum (or they suspect they are), and chronically online, which I suspect aligns with yourself. They somehow desisted despite their ASD driven gender fixation. You could also just read some of their cry for help/regret posts if you want to plain scare yourself away from the path of self destruction.

Good luck.

e: I would also tell you to stay off the internet for awhile, but I understand that’s unreasonable. So, at least, do yourself a favor and stay out of online trans communities.
 
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Imperial Priorities said:
I'm right you guys are wrong lmao. You can pretend me not knowing a list of surgeons off of the top of my head means I don't know what I'm talking about when you all are hitting me with a million anecdotes. You people don't believe in shit, this is just childish rageposting. and yet even on a website devoted to campaigns of harassment you can't notice when you're being had. Real therapists recommend transition and gender affirmation - groups the the AMA, AAP, and APA. Lolz at the dude who doesn't even know how to insert quotes btw. Can't even use a text editor but you think you know better than doctors.
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The fact that all you have is "wow you're really going to disagree with the heckin experts? wow okay lol" says everything.

You're doing everything you can to avoid defending the underlying claims of transgenderism in the way normal people speak and debate -- using your own words, not dumping studies nobody is going to read, including yourself-- because you know they are insane and indefensible.
 
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ArtificialSneeze said:
So it’s basically a dumpster fire. As a result of this, most EU countries are changing treatment models and there is growing pushback in the US medical community to change it here as well and move away from simple informed consent. There’s a good overview at https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/958742.
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Lolzerskates. You guys still don't understand what citing a source is! Oh but you read a lot of twitter posts so trannies are 2% of youths (this we know to obviously be representative of evidence of the transing of our kids and bad), and that most of those youths identifyin as trans are AFAB. I'm sure you have actual evidence and studies, not some jackass blog posts?

Anyways, lets do a little bit of digging! From your medline source (BTW you can get around the paywall by just fucking using reader mode in Firefox and refreshing, but not like you would know shit about doing research) lets dig into one claim that backs up some of your argument:
Because adolescent and young adult females now account for 6-8 in 10 of the presenting cases (previously, prepubertal males were more common), one would expect a commensurate increase in the rate of transgender identification in older females. This has not occurred.
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Well, that seems damning! Lets look at the results and discussion of that study that Dr. Malone cites, with some emphasis in bold from me. If you would like to access it use Sci-Hub.
RESULTS
Between 2000e2017, 1,215 children were referred to the
GIDS (mean, 67.50/y; SD ¼ 91.57; range, 3e306). The cor-
relation between number of referred cases and year of referral was
.83 for birth-assigned boys, .76 for birth-assigned girls, and .80
combined (all P < .001).
More birth-assigned boys (n ¼ 681, 56.0%) than birth-
assigned girls (n ¼ 534, 44.0%) were referred (1.27:1), a
significant difference by the binomial test, P < .001. There was,
however, a significant decrease in the percentage of referred
birth-assigned boys when the years 2000e2006 were compared
with the years 2007e2017 (71.6% vs 55.0%) <-THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT, c2(1) ¼ 7.09,
P ¼ .008. On average, birth-assigned boys (mean ¼ 8.72 years;
SD ¼ 2.30) were referred at a younger age than birth-assigned
girls (mean age ¼ 9.78 years; SD ¼ 2.15), t(1213) ¼ 8.24,
P < .001, Cohen d ¼ .47.
Table 1 shows the results of a logistic regression in which year of
referral and age at assessment were entered as predictor variables,
with birth-assigned gender as the criterion variable. It can be seen
that year of referral and age at assessment were both significant,
indicating that a greater proportion of birth-assigned girls were
referred in more recent years and that birth-assigned girls were, on
average, older than birth-assigned boys at the time of assessment.
The interaction term was not statistically significant.
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DISCUSSION
Across the 3 clinics (total N ¼ 2,699), there were both sim-
ilarities and differences in the sex ratio data and associated
factors. Overall, a greater percentage of birth-assigned boys were
referred compared to birth-assigned girls. Additionally, referred
birth-assigned boys presented at a younger age at assessment than
birth-assigned girls. Moreover, as in Amsterdam and Toronto,
the London data also found evidence for a change in the sex ratio
when comparing the years 2000e2006 vs 2007e2017, with a
significant reduction in the percentage of referred birth-assigned
boys (also shown in the logistic regression analysis).
Differences across the 3 clinics were that the percentage of
birth-assigned boys was lower in Amsterdam and the London
than in the Toronto clinic and that the mean age at the time of
assessment was significantly higher in Amsterdam and the
London than in the Toronto clinic.1 Regarding the latter, the
percentage of very young children (<6 years of age, 11.1%) was
significantly greater than the percentage of similarly aged chil-
dren in the Amsterdam sample (6.0%), but considerably lower
than the percentage of similarly aged referred children in the
Toronto sample (35.8%).
The sex difference in the age at referral probably reflects,
among other things, greater parental worry about marked
gender-variant behavior in sons than in daughters (eg, concerns
about peer ostracism). Given that the mean age of referral was
the lowest in the Toronto clinic, perhaps this indicates that, on
average, parents of the children from the Toronto clinic had
more worries about their children’s gender-variant behavior than
parents from the Amsterdam and London clinics.
The change in the sex ratio by the late childhood years and in the
2007e2017 cohort to one that approached parity or even favored
birth-assigned girls appears to extend downward the female-biased
sex ratio that is now evident among adolescents with gender
dysphoria.2,3 At present, the reasons for this shift in the sex ratio
among adolescents are not clear, but may include less stigma for
birth-assigned girls who are behaviorally masculine compared to
birth-assigned boys who are behaviorally feminine,4 which makes
it easier to “come out” as transgender and to seek out mental health
care and biomedical treatment. Another possibility pertains to the
sex difference in pubertal onset, which occurs earlier in birth-
assigned girls than in birth-assigned boys.5 It could, therefore, be
argued that the incongruence between birth-assigned gender and
felt gender identity intensifies at an earlier age among birth-
assigned girls. This might explain, for example, why more birth-
assigned girls than birth-assigned boys are now being referred for
clinical care in the last few years of childhood.
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Okay well, then I feel like that's our research done isn't it? Most children being referred for dysphoria are birth-assigned boys, with the ratio approaching parity over the past decades. Malone, who is a member of anti-trans organization SEGM and obviously biased, has just written a blog post free of peer review and fluffed it with links you left blue - because that's what they're there for. Dumbass. Look into WPATH standards, which are actually based in peer review science. Fucking MORONS! Why the fuck are you looking for trans healthcare information from the a man who has never done any research or work in pediatrics? This dude treats endocrine disorders in adults under St Luke's in Idaho.

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Treatment is based off of studies done when persistent dysphoria occurred in 1 in 10,000 men and 1 in 30,000 women.
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What the FUCK are you talking about bro lmao. Show me what crusty studies the trans agenda is using that say on the high end 0.01% of people are trans, or on the low end .003%?! This is a JOKE!
 
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Anyway John Money was a pedophile who pulled "gender identity" squarely out of his rectum. This sparked decades of pseudoscience giving validation to what was previously correctly identified as a mental disorder. Validating this specific mental disorder has caused a population of fetishists to claim to have it in order to undergo its barbaric "treatment".

I don't need a team of experts crunching numbers or peer reviewing a study to tell me Kevin Gibes is a tranny because he's a disturbed autogynephiliac.
 
man you are unhinged. I give you a well sourced overview from a practicing endocrinologist and you put on blinders absolutely unwilling to see anything that doesn’t fit your narrative. This is why you are doomed. Your ASD simply will not let you get the help you need. It’s like talking to a wall. No matter now many people in your life that care about you try to get through to you, you simply do. not. listen.

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I would accuse you of arguing in bad faith since any source I give you you will immediately dismiss as “anti-trans“. But it’s worse since your condition simply will not let you see the truth.
 
Imperial Priorities said:
Damn u got me, there is only one person who is trans and has conductive hearing loss and aparently this person wants a thread made about them on a website dedicated to harassment campaigns? Either way my dick is bigger than yours.
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Please do inform us about the depth of your future rot-pocket when you get it. From a reputable surgeon, of course.
 
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Okay cool, retard doesn't actually have any evidence that being GAS is bad then? You just assume that the bad trans lobby is hurting kids because they are performing these procedures.

I am uninterested in anecdotes about bad outcomes, I am uninterested in vague finger pointing towards some conspiracy. Make a fucking claim, and provide some evidence for it. This is childish, it is always wild to me how confidently you people believe your own bullshit. You don't give a shit that you had to retract from the prior claim AfghanBlue made about there being no evidence of the outcomes of GAS, or that this is a new procedure. No, you swing right into your next talking point about how this analysis should've only focused on one group of trans patients, IE you think it should have been asking a different question.

You also try to get into some bs about methodology, but I really don't give a shit what you people think because the shit you people think is nonsense. This is a peer reviewed study published in Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery—Global Open. You people don't know how to control better than they do, you don't know how to design a study or interpret the data. One of you morons was even posting that you can, for some reason, discount this based on them being self reported follow up studies. As if there was another way to obtain satisfaction data.

Furthermore, you can publish whatever the fuck you want. You might even get it mentioned by the BBC! Look at this study they mention. This is a study that consistently misgenders trans women, calls passing inherently a deceptive act, and favorably includes a quote about "all trans women raping cis womens bodies". Whatever you want to say about the validity of that, if you want to publish an anti trans paper nobody is going to stop you. This notion of some transpiracy is unfounded.

And as one last thing, do you guys really believe the fetish angle? What other fetish has such poor health outcomes for those who are unable to partake in it? What other fetish has the endorsement of most major medical organizations? What other fetish makes children significantly more likely to be threatened or injured with a weapon at school? Do you guys even really believe that or is it just an easy answer to a question that challenges you?
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i said nothing about there being no data on results.
someone else pointed out the data is prone to being positively spun for a bunch of different reasons- my point is there has been an absolute explosion in the amount of these surgeries being done, and it’s the nature of bodies that they need to be lived in to get a clear picture.

why you’ve come here trying to fight on the subject, disparage everyone, repeatedly ignore every point of evidence as ‘vague finger pointing’ (and by the way, the whole point of this stalking, archiving website is that we chronicle what is coming from the horses mouth- listen to the troons themselves …

i lost my train of thought.
basically just chill / stfu / don’t engage?
lol, why would anyone want to debate with ‘intellectual cowards?’ go and find some big fat vaush smellyboy more befitting of your intellectual heft x

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i shouldn’t have even bothered replying, i didn’t notice there was two more pages to go of probable nonsense than where i was reading from
 
Imperial Priorities said:
I'm right you guys are wrong lmao. You can pretend me not knowing a list of surgeons off of the top of my head means I don't know what I'm talking about when you all are hitting me with a million anecdotes. You people don't believe in shit, this is just childish rageposting. and yet even on a website devoted to campaigns of harassment you can't notice when you're being had. Real therapists recommend transition and gender affirmation - groups the the AMA, AAP, and APA. Lolz at the dude who doesn't even know how to insert quotes btw. Can't even use a text editor but you think you know better than doctors.


Damn u got me, there is only one person who is trans and has conductive hearing loss and aparently this person wants a thread made about them on a website dedicated to harassment campaigns? Either way my dick is bigger than yours.
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Imperial Priorities said:
I mean I managed to derail this entire thread and now you're just patting each others backs. Who is coping with what here lmao
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The thing you dont understand is that we are one of the few groups who are willing to call out delusion and say it to your face, unlike all these lying fucking ’allies’, telling you whatever you want to hear whilst trans-identified people are encouraged to sterilise, disable and mutilate themselves in pursuit of an impossible end.

Like a friend who encourages an anorexic sufferer to starve themselves to death whilst telling them how beautiful they look.

You think we’re your enemies, whereas if you want to know who your real worst enemy is, you just need to look in a fucking mirror,
 
BTW Zed, you misunderstand. I'm not calling their dick small, I'm saying my dick is bigger than theirs. Because my dick is huge, because of how cool and smart I am.
 
I remember someone saying there was a study done that found gender dysphoria wasn't any different from other body dysmorphias?
does anyone have it or know if this is true or not?
 
ArtificialSneeze said:
The state of trans healthcare is currently in flux. Treatment is based off of studies done when persistent dysphoria occurred in 1 in 10,000 men and 1 in 30,000 women. Today, it’s over 2% of teens, and it predominantly afflicts girls. Also the treatment model for teens was based on a dutch study that vigorously screened applicants for other mental health disorders and only included very early onset dysphoria (since toddlerhood) whereas today, 90% of young patients have other psychiatric comorbidities with dysphoria largely presenting during or after puberty.

So it’s basically a dumpster fire. As a result of this, most EU countries are changing treatment models and there is growing pushback in the US medical community to change it here as well and move away from simple informed consent. There’s a good overview at https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/958742. It’s paywalled but you can find the full text over at TERF island: https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical...ians-are-incredibly-refreshing-to-see-time-to

If you are earnest in your desire to be free from dysphoria, I suggest reaching out to the users at r/detrans (they have a discord as well). They are by and large girls (though some boys), on the spectrum (or they suspect they are), and chronically online, which I suspect aligns with yourself. They somehow desisted despite their ASD driven gender fixation. You could also just read some of their cry for help/regret posts if you want to plain scare yourself away from the path of self destruction.

Good luck.

e: I would also tell you to stay off the internet for awhile, but I understand that’s unreasonable. So, at least, do yourself a favor and stay out of online trans communities.
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exactly. well said.
noone should be pressured into becoming a trans person.
peer pressure by strangers shouldnt define one's fate, nor should they be allowed to mutilate themselves into such a horrifying, irreversible way.
forge your own path, and just live life without chopping your reproductive organs off.
 
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