General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Guapmala]

The nature of treatment, repercussions, and long term outlook of gender-affirmation surgeries is being hidden from an at-risk population.

Were this any other type of treatment for any other population it wouldn't have gone on for long so blatantly in the public eye.

 

[Resident Evil]

@ryu289 I’m actually gonna disagree despite me being apart of the alphabet fags that’d usually support this. I believe surgery IS harmful. Many of the people involved in surgeries of sex change aren’t very good at any surgeries before hand, lacking the experience and keen mind to handle mis steps with permanently altering something as complex as the sexual components of a human body.

Not only that, but people as a whole I feel shouldn’t have to pray and pay copious amounts of money to multilate themselves for the sake of feeling a certain way when it will usually go horrifically wrong. Do you want to be a woman as a man? Then work out certain exercises that give you a womanly figure like the glutes, constantly shave, keep good hygiene, where woman’s clothing and learn how to apply certain make up and clothes to cover certain indicators of immediate male traits, (Example, Adam’s Apple by using a choker or a scarf.)

There are many ways to be secure in your identity and not let some dangerous monster handle your body in a way even they don’t know how to fix. Once a piece of you physically is gone, it’s gone forever and nothing can change that.

TL;DR- Your idea that surgery isn’t harmful is inherently false. I will not stop people from getting them, but the clear facts exist that those involved aren’t remotely qualified, and aren’t mentally and intellectually sound. Cutting yourself should be the last aspect of fixing dysphoria, or anything at all. I support those who suffer genuine by birth dysphoria and wish them well on their journey. You redirecting people into thinking this is THE solution is frankly disgusting.

 

[thyme]

Really? https://journals.lww.com/prsgo/fulltext/2020/05000/transfeminine_gender_confirmation_surgery_with.17.aspx#:~:text=In the literature, the overall,typically 35%–60%.

So I went ahead and I read that article- it was about fake vaginas, for those who didn't bother. The article says nothing about how other people reacted to the appearance of these manholes. The article mostly was concerned about the safety of the procedure:



Sure, the guys who got them installed liked them, but not even half of them had sex afterwards- 22 of the 24 reported feedback, and out of the combined 42% who said they managed to have sex with a male partner, half of those had issues:

You're not really refuting my argument here. Especially given that that article had a pretty grotesque photo provided:

Spoiler: NSFW, Spliced balls

I feel for you if you have one of these installed because they're horrifying, truly

 

[ryu289]

So I went ahead and I read that article- it was about fake vaginas, for those who didn't bother. The article says nothing about how other people reacted to the appearance of these manholes. The article mostly was concerned about the safety of the procedure:

And it is safe. Thanks for showing that part. Also: https://www.issm.info/news/sex-heal...omen-satisfied-with-vaginoplasty-study-finds/

This study included data from 25 transgender women who ranged in age from 25 to 60 years. (Their average age was 41.) All of the women underwent vaginoplasty and clitoroplasty (creation of a clitoris) using the penoscrotal inversion technique. An average of 14.40 months had elapsed since surgery.

Using a special device, the researchers tested each woman’s “sensory detection thresholds” for light touch, pressure, and vibration. Measurements were taken on the new clitoris, labia, vaginal opening, and anus.

Each woman also completed a series of questionnaires concerning her overall satisfaction, sexual satisfaction before and after surgery, frequency of sexual activities and orgasm, fantasies, experiences with depression, and psychological well-being.

Overall, the women showed “good genital sensitivity.” For example, measurements of clitoral sensitivity and overall vibration were similar to those of cisgender women.

The participants had sex more often after surgery, the researchers noted. Eighty percent of the women had been able to reach orgasm at least once since their surgery. Ninety-two percent said they “never” regretted having the procedure. Most said they were satisfied with the appearance of their new genitalia. Psychological adjustment was also good.

"TL;DR- Your idea that surgery isn’t harmful is inherently false. I will not stop people from getting them, but the clear facts exist that those involved aren’t remotely qualified, and aren’t mentally and intellectually sound. Cutting yourself should be the last aspect of fixing dysphoria, or anything at all. I support those who suffer genuine by birth dysphoria and wish them well on their journey. You redirecting people into thinking this is THE solution is frankly disgusting."

Despite the fact that numerous studies prove you wrong?

Effectiveness of vaginoplasty for trans women confirmed once again in new study

Vaginoplasty for trans women, the surgical construction of a vagina and labia from penile and scrotal tissue, is a highly effective treatment for gender dysphoria.

web.archive.org

@ryu289 Anything other than XX or XY is considered as intersex or in simpler and easier to understand term, hermaphrodite.

Hermaphrodites aren't trans, so stop co-opting a real genetic medical issue to a fake made-up delusion.

Please stop your fake virture signaling. For one what is considered male and female relies not just on chromosomes:
For example: http://transascity.org/the-transgender-brain/

It’s common to hear the phrase “all babies start out female, and it’s only later that they become male,” and this is at least partially true. In fact, the influence of testosterone on a fetus has been described as a defeminization process, changing a fetus which was essentially predestined to be female into male. (Gooren, 2006) Testosterone production and the conversion of some testosterone to dihydrotestosterone between weeks 6 and 12 of pregnancy is critical for the initial development of male features, such as the penis, prostate gland, and scrotum. (Bao) In the absence of these male hormones, female genitalia develop instead. Brain development, however, does not occur in earnest until the second half of the pregnancy term, after the genitals have been developed, and the continued presence of male hormones results in a brain which has subtle, but critical physical differences from the female brain. (Bao)

To reduce people to just their chromosomes is scientific illiteracy: https://static.scientificamerican.c...64FE5CE-FBA6-493F-B9EA84B04830354E_source.jpg

 

[Baloney Face]

This is for genital butchering, not sperging about troon ideology.

Genital butchering AND sperging about troon ideology, please.
"General discussion" covers both.
This is Kiwi Farms. The sperg spot.

 

[ryu289]

The nature of treatment, repercussions, and long term outlook of gender-affirmation surgeries is being hidden from an at-risk population.

Were this any other type of treatment for any other population it wouldn't have gone on for long so blatantly in the public eye.

Wrong: https://genderanalysis.net/2018/06/...rans-women-confirmed-once-again-in-new-study/

The people who say they are revealing the 'dangers' really aren't:

Clinging to a dangerous past: Dr Paul McHugh’s selective reading of transgender medical literature

In a June 12th opinion article in the Wall Street Journal, well-known anti-transgender psychiatrist Dr. Paul McHugh attempts to make a case against supporting hormonal and surgical transition for t…

www.transadvocate.com

ROGD researcher caught lying to the press

Dr. Littman lies, possibly misleading parents into withholding care from trans kids. Recently the author of a Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) study lied to a credulous Canadian reporter who pri…

www.transadvocate.com

 

[KateHikes14]

Which one of these stunning "vaginas" do you think will even fool a virgin:

Spoiler: Not even a gynecologist can tell

Thanks to this thread:
Thread 'Dr. Kathy Rumer, DO / "The Butcher of Ardmore" / Rumer Gender Surgery / Rumer Cosmetic Surgery / Delaware Valley Aesthetics, PLLC' https://kiwifarms.net/threads/dr-ka...urgery-delaware-valley-aesthetics-pllc.85963/

 

[Lester Jones]

@ryu289 Trans and Intersex people are different. The only similarity they have is that both are genetic defects.

 

[ryu289]

@ryu289 Trans and Intersex people are different. The only similarity they have is that both are genetic defects.

Nice of you to take off your mask. How are they 'defects'?

 

[Baloney Face]

Which one of these stunning "vaginas" do you think will even fool a virgin:

Picture missing?

These days the ubiquity of pr0n means just about anyone knows what a variety of different vaginas look like. Dicks likewise of course. One need not be a pr0n aficionado for this to be the case.

But of course the idea (never mind the rhetoric) isn't to fool anybody, it's merely to be reasonably fuckable. You're not looking at it if you're fucking, right?

Any males here with experience of it willing to describe what it feels like with your dick, compared to a real one? Please oh please tell. I'm such a morbid fascination voyeur.

 

[Baloney Face]

The only similarity they have is that both are genetic defects.

Trans people have a genetic defect? Do tell.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

These days the ubiquity of pr0n means just about anyone knows what a variety of different vaginas look like. Dicks likewise of course.

So what? Newsflash you cumbrain, dicks & pussies vary from person to person BUT 99,999% are real and aren't a grotesque horror version of the opposite sex made from mangled flesh.

Any males here with experience of it willing to describe what it feels like with your dick, compared to a real one? Please oh please tell. I'm such a morbid fascination voyeur.

Don't do it! OP is most likely going to jerk off to it.

 

[Lester Jones]

Nice of you to take off your mask. How are they 'defects'?

Trans people have a genetic defect? Do tell.

The fact alone that their minds don't match with their bodies definitely means that there is something wrong with their brains.

Just like Intersex people who have physical defects as a result of their genetic disorder. Just as simple as that.

 

[Baloney Face]

The fact alone that their minds don't match with their bodies definitely means that there is something wrong with their brains.

There is no evidence nor as far as I know any serious theory that it is genetic.
All you've got is it's "something wrong" and there we agree.

 

[ryu289]

The fact alone that their minds don't match with their bodies definitely means that there is something wrong with their brains.

Just like Intersex people who have physical defects as a result of their genetic disorder. Just as simple as that.

Why do you define that as "defective"? That there is only one "correct" way?
Among humans, there is a huge diversity of sexual development. Sex and gender are complicated; many elements go into their making. The following pieces are all needed in the development/construction of complete femaleness or maleness:

Sex chromosomes – xx for a female, xy for a male

Primary sex characteristics – vagina, ovaries and uterus for a female, penis and testes for a male

Brain Sex – not masculinized for a female, masculinized for a male

Gender Identity – “woman” for a female, “man” for a male

Gender Expression – “feminine” for a female, “masculine” for a male

Hormones and secondary sexual characteristics – high estrogen and progesterone for a female, high testosterone for a male

At any point in the development process, one of these elements might swerve from the norm. A difference at any of these levels creates some form of “gender variance.” This applies to sexualities as well which are separate from gender.

Also, for each of these different sexually dimorphic traits, some people’s anatomies will fall “in between” or “outside of” what most people consider to be standard for female or male.

As one example, some people with androgen insensitivity have XY chromosomes, internal testes, and external female genitalia. Traits, including hormone levels, can also vary widely both within and across sexes. But people who fall outside of what’s considered normal face discrimination. Take South African runner Caster Semenya, who was recently the subject of a ruling that ordered her to lower her naturally high testosterone levels to compete with other female runners — even though studies have shown that because testosterone levels are so highly variable, there’s overlap between the natural testosterone levels of men and women.

See here for more: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/

 

[Baloney Face]

So what? Newsflash you cumbrain, dicks & pussies vary from person to person BUT 99,999% are real and aren't a grotesque horror version of the opposite sex made from mangled flesh.

I'm more of a voyeur of horror than a cumbrain. Not sure that's better.

I wasn't suggesting anything otherwise. Yet trannies do get laid.
This is a phenomenon that requires an explanation, like any other pathology.

Don't do it! OP is most likely going to jerk off to it.

Not into pussies in any case. Let alone fake ones.

But I want to know without trying it. So I ask.

 

[KateHikes14]

I'm more of a voyeur of horror than a cumbrain. Not sure that's better.

I wasn't suggesting anything otherwise. Yet trannies do get laid.
This is a phenomenon that requires an explanation, like any other pathology.


Not into pussies in any case. Let alone fake ones.

But I want to know without trying it. So I ask.

Mainly trannies who don't get the snip, there's weirdo fetishists out there and as much as troons want to play "tsundre" with chasers, they sure as shit aren't getting laid otherwise. Troons are getting castrated with the stench trench excavation so in that regard it is a win-win as unfuckable as they were without bottom surgery, no ones fetish is the pictures I posted.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Oh, another plastic surgeon shill. The truth triggers them.

 

[LightDragonman1]

You know, this thought didn't come to me until just recently after reading this interview with Lilly Wachowski, but one of the things that makes me shake my head at (not all mind you) trans folk is that they feel the need to completely divorce themselves from everything and everyone they were previously involved with. Be it their parents, friends, relatives, whatever, they all have to be cast aside in order to "start their true lives" and "live as their real self".

Why is that? It really sounds like a depressing mentality to have. Just because you changed your gender doesn't men you can't still see those who raised you and the like. Or is that, in the words of Lilly, wanting "want to go back to something that you had done before, and sort of [walk] over old paths that you had walked in, felt emotionally unfulfilling, and really the opposite - like going to go back and live in these old shoes, in a way"?

 

[Nigger Respecter]

Really? https://journals.lww.com/prsgo/fulltext/2020/05000/transfeminine_gender_confirmation_surgery_with.17.aspx#:~:text=In the literature, the overall,typically 35%–60%.

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