General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Evan Kor]

Transgenderism is an incredibly complex issue and I feel that there are good arguments from kf and trans people themselves, but I feel like the shitposty nature of the site as a whole really cheapens any serious discussion. If the farms ever truly wanted to be taken seriously as a legitimate place to discuss these people and make some real lasting changes it would need to change the tone that it approaches its criticisms to be more serious instead of taking on a more comedic approach. You’ve made it clear that you don’t like these people but if you want to be taken seriously you would need to change the approach to be more serious and dial back your approach as treating them as a source of comedy because it prevents the farms from being used as a legitimate source of criticism against them. I know nobody is obligated to do that but it’s clear that you don’t like these people very much and if that’s the case you would sadly have to compromise a lot of the humour aspects and memes that you like to employ here and employ a more serious grounded tone getting to criticise the more serious and shitty aspects of the culture itself.

Don't treat any social media site as having a single voice. Its justifiable to criticize users of any site who try to impose a single point of view on others but its wrong to blame an entire site unless the site's actual administration and system make it impossible to prevent groupthink(like Reddit).

The issue everyone has with understanding trannies is they want a simple explanation. Often many people are afraid that transgenderism is some sort of illness that they could be afflicted with. The fact is that trannies are the way they are because they spent time socializing with people who saw them as members of the opposite sex. In the past, this sort of thing happened to sons of prostitutes who were whored out as "girls" to people who were into that sort of thing. This is why Wiemar Germany was full of trannies and likely why places like Iran and Afghanistan are as well. The explosion in troons today is due to quirks with online socialization - both in games and one social media sites - where people can end up being treated as members of the opposite sex by fellow users/gamers due to the identity the person presents as online. If you're playing an online game as a female character and no one knows you're actually a male, people will assume you're a girl. If you're a girl and you visit forums on topics dominated by men and you don't pick usernames and profile pictures that make it clear you're a girl, then you'll be treated as a guy and eventually see yourself as one.

It turns out personal gender identity can be somewhat plastic due to our social nature as humans. This isn't a big deal in real life since you can't hide your sex easily but it does become an issue online when you can hide your actual physical identity. Eventually someone treated as a member of the opposite sex online will tend to view themselves as such. This is why countries are banning kids off social media and trying to push Internet ID laws so that they can punish websites that allow people to pretend to be of a different age or sexual demographic than they actually are.

Getting up in arms is perfectly fine, but I have seen so many damn retards regurgitate the same points about porn culture and SRS surgeries that I think most normal people or pro-trans individuals agree their are issues with with or were already disgusting in the first place. The porn industry was well fucked even before transpeople were involved and they aren’t really that much more fucked afterwards. What you should be getting down if you want to make good points is more specifics about how they flaunt social rules and are actually pretty hypocritical and exclusionary even within their own LGBTQ spaces not accepting other parts of that community and how they damage specific parts of culture rather than more broad arguments that you want to make.

People can't easily have open discussions about a lot of mental health topics due to personal insecurities or due to the complexities of such issues. Actual experts in the mental health industry always knew that sex surgeries don't benefit anyone other than maybe prostitutes. They knew they were harming children and they knew they'd have the blood of those kids on their hands. However, they also knew that if they didn't mutilate children, then they'd be blamed for every suicide that occurred. They also had to go along with what parents wanted since even though the mental health industry knows that parents are often a major problem, they have to pretend like they're not unless a child admits being victimized by family members. Also a lot of the top experts support things that lead to population reduction so any excuse to sterilize kids is a win in their book.

In other words, the mental health industry is broken since its incapable of caring about patients due to institutional cowardious.

 

[saturated trans fats]

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[AltisticRight]

Transgenderism is an incredibly complex issue and I feel that there are good arguments from kf and trans people themselves, but I feel like the shitposty nature of the site as a whole really cheapens any serious discussion.

The science is complex and there's a tiny minority with real gender dysphoria (a mental illness) that can find solitude after getting their surgeries and whatnot.
Politically and ideologically it's really not that complicated. It's a band of authoritarian thugs who think we should all play pretend with their insanity. They function like a band of fascists/communists, which is why they attracted to such fringe ideologies.

TTD

 

[Pedophobe]

Whatever, either way the trans free future you may want isn’t ever going to happen

You never know. The previous century had plenty of movements from art deco all the way up to Marxist-Leninism that have no meaningful influence anymore. When was the last time you saw a Black Seperatist or a Hare Krishna on the news? People got bored with that shit when it didn't live up to its promises and moved on.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

You never know. The previous century had plenty of movements from art deco all the way up to Marxist-Leninism that have no meaningful influence anymore. When was the last time you saw a Black Seperatist or a Hare Krishna on the news? People got bored with that shit when it didn't live up to its promises and moved on.

I want art deco back, though.

 

[Return To Sender]

I find your take shallow and pedantic.
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Mm, I agree as well. Shallow and pedantic.

 

[Penis Drager 2.0]

Language is foundational to the experience of consciousness for humans

Sorry if this is a bit of off-topic sperging, but statements like these are bizarre to me.
There's certain circles where "wordbrain" gets used to denigrate people who fixate too much on the words being used rather than the idea being conveyed and that you seem to unironically believe "words = ideas" to some degree seems to justify the pejorative.

I can't say anything about what's normal here, but I certainly don't "think" in anything resembling intelligible human language. I have never had a problem making the distinction between a word and a thing and hot-swapping between operational definitions when context demands it comes easy to me.

This isn't even me self-fellating either. Turning thoughts into words is a distinct and taxing mental process for me and you almost seem to be implying it's normal to bypass that process entirely by treating thoughts and words as one in the same.

 

[Tapeworm Addict]

Sorry if this is a bit of off-topic sperging, but statements like these are bizarre to me.
There's certain circles where "wordbrain" gets used to denigrate people who fixate too much on the words being used rather than the idea being conveyed and that you seem to unironically believe "words = ideas" to some degree seems to justify the pejorative.

I've never heard the term "word-brain" before but it kind strikes me as a funny insult that would come from someone without an inner-monologue. But I get what you're saying. If I'm understanding you correctly, it's a term used to make fun of someone who would criticize someone else who misuses a term while the meaning is still clear. This would seem like classic anti-intellectualism, but it doesn't really prove that words =/= ideas. If a person thinks a thing we call a "bird" is called a "car," they're still using language to mentally interact with the object, even if it is an "incorrect" usage.
As for what I'm saying, I never said that language is pure thought, but that language IS primary in thought and experience, meaning foundational but not necessarily exclusive. Language is a tool which "consciousness" uses to interface with the world around it.

I can't say anything about what's normal here, but I certainly don't "think" in anything resembling intelligible human language. I have never had a problem making the distinction between a word and a thing and hot-swapping between operational definitions when context demands it comes easy to me.

Regarding your claim about finding difficulty thinking in language, you may not have an inner monologue. There are also people who cannot imagine an apple. You just used words to communicate on a forum though, so I'd say you're probably doing just fine. Maybe it's actually meta-cognition that you find difficult.
However, even if you disagree with all of my assertions here, you and I can certainly agree that language is foundational to the fabric of society. Hopefully that isn't controversial. If that is the case then, language is still an important factor that shouldn't be considered trivial, and we should take care over who gets to choose how we communicate.

This isn't even me self-fellating either. Turning thoughts into words is a distinct and taxing mental process for me and you almost seem to be implying it's normal to bypass that process entirely by treating thoughts and words as one in the same.

Personally, I'd say that having difficulty expressing yourself with words is kinda the opposite of self-fellatio. Maybe you think in images, in which case the images you imagine are unreal, symbolic expressions of things, concepts, etc. So... a kind of language. Or maybe you think in music, which is also a kind of language. Maybe you don't actually think. I believe a good chunk of the human population doesn't actually experience thoughts and are mostly reactive to their environments.

I'll stop shitting up this thread now.

 

[Penis Drager 2.0]

Alright, I promise this is my last post on this topic in this thread. Maybe we could make a mass debates thread out of this dumb shit if anyone finds the topic interesting enough.

If I'm understanding you correctly, it's a term used to make fun of someone who would criticize someone else who misuses a term while the meaning is still clear.

Spoiler: Off topic sperging

Not really.
Have you ever had an argument with someone and their thesis basically came down to conflating two different use cases for the same term as if they were literally the same thing? And they aren't really receptive to explanations about how that word means different things in those two contexts?
That's a word-brain.
Or they'll read an incomplete definition of a term and be married to that definition exactly as phrased in the most explicit and literal interpretation?
That's a word-brain.
Being a pedant about definitions when meaning is clear is a different kind of retarded.

As far as my internal monolog goes:
I non-symbolically record events but I don't "narrate" them in language.
I'm fully capable of forming a monolog in my head, just as I'm capable of visualizing when desired. But that is all a very distinct function from "thinking" to me.
Asymbolic thoughts and ideas come explicitly before any active decision to represent them as language or physical objects. So the whole idea that language dictates how people are capable of understanding ideas is very foreign to me. Though ofc it does dictate, to a certain degree, what kinds of ideas you'd be exposed to when communicating with others.

 

[AnOminous]

Getting up in arms is perfectly fine, but I have seen so many damn retards regurgitate the same points about porn culture and SRS surgeries that I think most normal people or pro-trans individuals agree their are issues with with or were already disgusting in the first place. The porn industry was well fucked even before transpeople were involved and they aren’t really that much more fucked afterwards. What you should be getting down if you want to make good points is more specifics about how they flaunt social rules and are actually pretty hypocritical and exclusionary even within their own LGBTQ spaces not accepting other parts of that community and how they damage specific parts of culture rather than more broad arguments that you want to make.

Lmao no blow me. Rowling has caused more damage to them (and their responses to that) by just mocking them than any amount of "science" has helped them. There is absolutely no point catering to these fucking perverts and this site literally exists to mock stuff. We're not going to go on some moral crusade, and don't care if we're taken seriously. In fact, if it drives off troons of the sort we mock here, all the better. We don't want them here shitting up the place.

Whatever, you aren’t gonna change shit, find something better to do than trying to dream a trans free future. Make fun of them if you want but getting morally outraged is stupid unless it’s going to change anything.

It already has you stupid fucking nerd. Remember when sending male troon rapists to women's prisons was the prevailing practice? Or it was cancel material if you just said they should stay out of women's bathrooms and changing rooms? And maybe stop exposing themselves to children?

Those are incresingly popular. If you want to cut your dick off like a goddamn retard, go right ahead. Do it on your own dime though.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Perhaps due to my fraying psyche, my opinion changed when it comes to troons, the inside is way worse than the outside. They may look like a blackface version of a woman but almost every troon has some major personality issue that makes them miserable to be around. The HRT has an influence sure but they were probably assholes even before the first time they wore the choker.

Also even if they were abused, I've seldom heard a truly sympathetic story where trooning out was not what they actually wanted had things gone differently.

 

[Fart100]

Thanks for all the positive ratings! So much for having a more reasonable and nuanced opinion I guess

 

[LGHDR+]

Thanks for all the positive ratings! So much for having a more reasonable and nuanced opinion I guess

What the fuck did you expect, Felix Lang?