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the cilantro has been transplanted. ( a few days ago )
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the basil grew in two new heads where it was cut, the second tallest stalk was cut to grow in the same way.
both plants were trimmed a few days after the cilantro was transplanted.
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past progression:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/gardening-and-plant-thread.10883/page-23#post-11342562
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/gardening-and-plant-thread.10883/page-24#post-11587306
 
There is a rose that I have been after for years, called "Super Trouper". It is a bright orange floribunda.
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The problem is that I cannot find a nursery that I can get it from. All of the places that have it for sale seem to be based in the UK, and as I live in the US, none of these places are willing to ship internationally as US import restrictions for live plants are so strict.
 
Hepativore said:
There is a rose that I have been after for years, called "Super Trouper". It is a bright orange floribunda.
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The problem is that I cannot find a nursery that I can get it from. All of the places that have it for sale seem to be based in the UK, and as I live in the US, none of these places are willing to ship internationally as US import restrictions for live plants are so strict.
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American rose market has been fucked up the last couple years. Most of them are grown in Texas and there was a big freeze and die off in 2021 that we're still dealing with with.
 
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I hate spider mites. :( No 'safe' insecticide is working at all, none of the home remedies. Don't think I can stomach a bag of ladybugs coming in the mail either. Nightmare fuckers
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Same. I only noticed there was an issue when most trees had them. The speed was astounding, caught me unprepared as there were none in the past two years and really made me think of how stressful this must have been for people who were fully dependent on whatever they managed to grow. Before insecticides that is. I used some neem oil on the younger trees, the bigger ones will have to deal with it by themselves. They say less dry weather helps and we've just had a rare full day of rain, so fingers crossed.

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shameful existence said:
Same. I only noticed there was an issue when most trees had them. The speed was astounding, caught me unprepared as there were none in the past two years and really made me think of how stressful this must have been for people who were fully dependent on whatever they managed to grow. Before insecticides that is. I used some neem oil on the younger trees, the bigger ones will have to deal with it by themselves. They say less dry weather helps and we've just had a rare full day of rain, so fingers crossed.

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I'm grateful I only do bonsai and a few small berry bushes, dealing with a full scale infestation on grown trees truly sounds like a nightmare. Been having a little more luck with the Safer brand 3-in-1 spray than Neem Oil lately at least. Godspeed and good luck to ya
 
Levakt said:
I hate spider mites. :( No 'safe' insecticide is working at all, none of the home remedies. Don't think I can stomach a bag of ladybugs coming in the mail either. Nightmare fuckers
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I had to deal with them in an extensive orchid collection. A lot of insecticides don't work on them because they aren't insects. There's one class, neonicotinoids (this includes Ortho Tree and Shrub) which recent research shows actually makes them go ballistic and explode their population. They do hate water, though it won't eliminate them. A heavy misting will do a lot to suppress the population. The lady bugs aren't nearly as effective as predatory mites. I've found that the combination of reducing neonicotinoid application near the dry season, misting of the plants, and releasing the predatory mites as soon as I notice an uptick in the population is a good way to keep them under control.

Acaricides are incredibly nasty chemicals and I'm terrified of applying them.
 
have got a fruit wall behind the house, and grow fig and olives there. I cover them over when winter. also hickory nut, a pair of those, other side of the place. I do try to garden but mostly low-maintenance things, my work schedule leaves little time for messing around.

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I want to try gardening but I have basically no yard.
Any thoughts on vertical gardening?
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kaptinsky (?) hydroponics indoors, melted piping outdoors, but they'll need a lot of water in containers like that.


I just did a lazy google for a video on it.

edit: goddamn all you autists I just fucking ordered a bunch of dirt and raised bed shit to pick up curbside before work tomorrow. I'll be setting up a food garden I fucking guess.
all I have now are edible perennials and orchard type trees, why did this thread encourage this bullshit in me. I was trying to take it easy this year
 
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I have three fruit trees in my lawn; specificially a celeste fig tree, a plum tree and an apricot tree. They were already there when I moved in, by the way.

The fig tree is massive and it's already producing. I had to prune it a little bit (I did it in early march) because it was too tall, but looks like it didn't suffer much.

The previous owner put it next to an old well, and that fucker smashed through it with it's roots. I'd love to restore the well eventually, but sadly it means I'll have to cut down the tree in the future.

The apricot tree is quite old and it doesn't produce much, plus is tall as hell and it's quite pointless but I'll keep it anyway just as an ornamental tree I guess. Also a truck smashed a branch of it because it's right next to my driveway, oh well.
 
Hepativore said:
There is a rose that I have been after for years, called "Super Trouper". It is a bright orange floribunda.
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The problem is that I cannot find a nursery that I can get it from. All of the places that have it for sale seem to be based in the UK, and as I live in the US, none of these places are willing to ship internationally as US import restrictions for live plants are so strict.
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That's a beautiful rose.
 
My ex wife ran over one of my young kwanzan cherry trees the other day. The fucker was eight feet tall. How do you miss seeing that. When we were together she ran over half of the kids outside toys and even a gate. I put up gates and she isn't allowed to drive in my yard anymore. I don't have high prospects for those gates. She isn't even asian.
 
I am looking for a plant that can form a sort of living fence as it would be cheaper than conventional fencing, and the thorns would add extra "go away" value to marauding people. The problem with things like hawthorns or the Caspian locust is that they would rather be trees and need constant pruning to make them into thick hedges. Many fun thorny plants like the porcupine tomato or crown of thorns need semitropical climates and I live in Zone 4.

So, I want a very thorny vine that you can place on a cheap fence like chickenwire and cover any available surface with spiky foliage. I have found an interesting thorny plant that will grow down to Zone 4...the various Smilax vines. Ideally, I want something that will mesh itself into a structure so it will grow in the shape of that structure and not need to be pruned to keep it as a barrier.

I am looking at the Saw Greenbriar (Smilax bona-nox). Not only do the stems have lots of large and very tough and sharp thorns that can rip through leather, even the leaves have sharp serrations on the margins and it readily climbs on any surface using tendrils.

As it is a native plant and considered a pest by many people, I am having trouble locating a source to buy seeds from. Does anybody have any ideas where I can get some?
 
Hepativore said:
I am looking for a plant that can form a sort of living fence as it would be cheaper than conventional fencing, and the thorns would add extra "go away" value to marauding people. The problem with things like hawthorns or the Caspian locust is that they would rather be trees and need constant pruning to make them into thick hedges. Many fun thorny plants like the porcupine tomato or crown of thorns need semitropical climates and I live in Zone 4.

So, I want a very thorny vine that you can place on a cheap fence like chickenwire and cover any available surface with spiky foliage. I have found an interesting thorny plant that will grow down to Zone 4...the various Smilax vines. Ideally, I want something that will mesh itself into a structure so it will grow in the shape of that structure and not need to be pruned to keep it as a barrier.

I am looking at the Saw Greenbriar (Smilax bona-nox). Not only do the stems have lots of large and very tough and sharp thorns that can rip through leather, even the leaves have sharp serrations on the margins and it readily climbs on any surface using tendrils.

As it is a native plant and considered a pest by many people, I am having trouble locating a source to buy seeds from. Does anybody have any ideas where I can get some?
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Buy barbed wire and string it inside normal bushes to hide it or something. Don't freaking introduce thorns to an area without them.
 
Hepativore said:
I am looking for a plant that can form a sort of living fence as it would be cheaper than conventional fencing, and the thorns would add extra "go away" value to marauding people. The problem with things like hawthorns or the Caspian locust is that they would rather be trees and need constant pruning to make them into thick hedges. Many fun thorny plants like the porcupine tomato or crown of thorns need semitropical climates and I live in Zone 4.

So, I want a very thorny vine that you can place on a cheap fence like chickenwire and cover any available surface with spiky foliage. I have found an interesting thorny plant that will grow down to Zone 4...the various Smilax vines. Ideally, I want something that will mesh itself into a structure so it will grow in the shape of that structure and not need to be pruned to keep it as a barrier.

I am looking at the Saw Greenbriar (Smilax bona-nox). Not only do the stems have lots of large and very tough and sharp thorns that can rip through leather, even the leaves have sharp serrations on the margins and it readily climbs on any surface using tendrils.

As it is a native plant and considered a pest by many people, I am having trouble locating a source to buy seeds from. Does anybody have any ideas where I can get some?
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look up hedgerow stuff from WWII and earlier. anything that coppices will work. you could use briar, but I don't know what your growing conditions are like. if you chop to hedge once properly, it'll stay for decades. first few years you'll need to cut the base and lay down the main trunks, then just yearly or every other year cut back the uprights that get above the height you want it.
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that's a professional hedger doing the work, but it's not hard once you do it a few times.

as for me I bought too much crap and now I've got to have an actual garden thanks to you asshole autists.

I got my first breba figs of the year today. these are always small but really sweet. taste like strawberry jelly inside. it's a good tree, the oldest I have and it came as a twig from somewhere in NYC, an unnamed type. I think it's a relative of the violet de Bordeaux.

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now you fuckers have seen my hand twice. I'll certainly get doxed instantly
 
cuddle striker said:
look up hedgerow stuff from WWII and earlier. anything that coppices will work. you could use briar, but I don't know what your growing conditions are like. if you chop to hedge once properly, it'll stay for decades. first few years you'll need to cut the base and lay down the main trunks, then just yearly or every other year cut back the uprights that get above the height you want it.
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Hedging (1942)

Subscribe: http://bit.ly/subscribetotheBFIA Northamptonshire hedger is ably assisted by a smiling land girl eager to learn the rural craft of hedge making an...
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that's a professional hedger doing the work, but it's not hard once you do it a few times.

as for me I bought too much crap and now I've got to have an actual garden thanks to you asshole autists.

I got my first breba figs of the year today. these are always small but really sweet. taste like strawberry jelly inside. it's a good tree, the oldest I have and it came as a twig from somewhere in NYC, an unnamed type. I think it's a relative of the violet de Bordeaux.

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now you fuckers have seen my hand twice. I'll certainly get doxed instantly
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Barbed wire is illegal within city limits in most locales, and the Smilax genus is huge and has many different species that are native here, not to mention that I heard that the bright red berries they produce are great for jam and pies.

My neighbors and their children think that they are free to help themselves to anything that is growing in my yard in terms of fruit or vegetables and even though I have told them to knock it off several times, I get blown off and the local cops do nothing. So, in the interest of taking advantage of native flora, I aim to keep them out with a living barrier once and for all.

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Hepativore said:
Barbed wire is illegal within city limits in most locales, and the Smilax genus is huge and has many different species that are native here, not to mention that I heard that the bright red berries they produce are great for jam and pies.

My neighbors and their children think that they are free to help themselves to anything that is growing in my yard in terms of fruit or vegetables and even though I have told them to knock it off several times, I get blown off and the local cops do nothing. So, in the interest of taking advantage of native flora, I aim to keep them out with a living barrier once and for all.

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smilax grows pretty substantial trunks after a while. it'd be slow to get established as a proper hedge but could be done as in that video, after a while. consider ribes, too, they're fairly unpleasantly thorny and can grow a little faster.

@AnOminous figs can't horrify you that much can they
 
Hepativore said:
My neighbors and their children think that they are free to help themselves to anything that is growing in my yard in terms of fruit or vegetables and even though I have told them to knock it off several times, I get blown off and the local cops do nothing.
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How knowledgeable are they with identifying your loot?
You can always sprinkle non-edibles around so they learn to not just pick stuff from your garden.

i.e. Holly looks awesome and delicious but it's....uh....a very spicy choice if kids aren't wise to it.

ETA: English Holly is also commonly used as hedging because its a very dense shrub and while not exactly thorny its sharp leaves can easily keep people away.
 
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