Gamergate Hanger-Ons - 9_Volt88, 2dAmMuslim and friends

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Hellfire said:
He's still stalking Mombot too based off the screencap he posted. "gg is the farm team for future Republicans"
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The moment they bring in political shit like "got Trump in" or "future republican", the less credible they sound. The only way GG would be political in anyway was having members who also happened to be political spergs. To say it's a tool of some political party like the GOP, a breeding ground for some group like the alt-right, or even what birdguy is trying to say in that last tweet, it's just fucking pants on the head exceptional, just like with any sort of sperg on the other side like Kekistan or r/thedonald.

Also, that "GG is future republican" stuff reminds me of this:
https://archive.is/7w6BJ

GG is autistic screeching and it wouldn't be surprising for a guy like Milo to milk money but to say its the tool of the far-right is laughable. Only right wing sperging one would see is just anti-SJW sperging and throwing the word liberal around.

*As an aside, the guy in the archive link (Cranboonitz) is another anti-GG sperg who could also fit in the hanger-on thread. He really was insistent that seeing GG as some hate campaign to hurt people for perceived leftism, pro and anti as some GG invention by pros despite you could have two sides as an invention or belief by someone seeing it all as autistic screeching, and thinking some in GG were trolls is apologism.

Jaimas said:
There's a great one if you go looking for it where he gets curb-stomped by fucking Homer.

Nothing else really need be said.
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"curbed stomped by Homer". I'd put salt on that considering Homer but if you were literally to be burned by Homer, holy shit. That's just something.
 
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c-no said:
The moment they bring in political shit like "got Trump in" or "future republican", the less credible they sound. The only way GG would be political in anyway was having members who also happened to be political spergs. To say it's a tool of some political party like the GOP, a breeding ground for some group like the alt-right, or even what birdguy is trying to say in that last tweet, it's just fucking pants on the head exceptional, just like with any sort of sperg on the other side like Kekistan or r/thedonald.

Also, that "GG is future republican" stuff reminds me of this:
https://archive.is/7w6BJ

GG is autistic screeching and it wouldn't be surprising for a guy like Milo to tard cum money but to say its the tool of the far-right is laughable. Only right wing sperging one would see is just anti-SJW sperging and throwing the word liberal around.
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Did you ever wonder why this "GG is far right" meme kept being screamed, even when it's been comprehensively proven, over and over again, that the bulk of GG's support came from the old left?

The reason they keep yelling it isn't really because of their tendency to associate all their tormentors together, though that could be part of it - it's because it lets them dodge their own culpability for their own actions. It's easier for them to dismiss anything out of hand if they can pretend they have nothing to do with it, even when they clearly do.

If they did confront their own culpability, they'd have to face the fact that their opponents are other human beings and actually had a point behind at least some of all that Autism - and we can't have that, can we?

c-no said:
*As an aside, the guy in the archive link (Cranboonitz) is another anti-GG sperg who could also fit in the hanger-on thread. He really was insistent that seeing GG as some hate campaign to hurt people for perceived leftism, pro and anti as some GG invention by pros despite you could have two sides as an invention or belief by someone seeing it all as autistic screeching, and thinking some in GG were trolls is apologism.
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If I wasn't so goddamned tired of 'em, I'd swear Boonitz could support his own thread. The sheer level of doublethink he's shown in response to his own side being rife with sexual predators is something to behold.

c-no said:
"curbed stomped by Homer". I'd put salt on that considering Homer but if you were literally to be burned by Homer, holy shit. That's just something.
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He's not the only one to lose to Homer, which is where it goes from hilarious to sad. Homer's by no means a mental giant, but when you're making arguments so fragile that even a raging Autist like Homer can punch a hole in them, it's time to stop a moment and ponder where things might have gone wrong.
 
Jaimas said:
They argue that the fact that there is, indeed, a market for your average Doom or Senran Kagura is proof that Gamers as a whole are uncultured barbarians when the truth is that there's room for everyone - and in such freedom of choice, fucking nobody wants what these pretentious faggots are selling.
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There really isn't room for everyone. The average SocJus game usually sells like it gives you cancer. The problem is that they won't acknowledge that their worldview isn't going to be any more popular if other things didn't exist. The Oscars always try to shovel Hollywood's vision onto the masses and they're never close to the top grossing movies.
 
I think people are missing the point here. Art games aren't disliked by most people because they tackle serious topics and provide social commentary. They're disliked because they're often low-effort, no content garbage that are over within 3 hours, offer no replay value, are incredibly shallow both in gameplay and writing, look like shit (lazy pixel art or cheap Unity game) and the developers are often really smug and up their own asses about how their game is better than 99% of what's available while often insulting both the medium and the people who enjoy it.
 
c-no said:
The moment they bring in political shit like "got Trump in" or "future republican", the less credible they sound. The only way GG would be political in anyway was having members who also happened to be political spergs. To say it's a tool of some political party like the GOP, a breeding ground for some group like the alt-right, or even what birdguy is trying to say in that last tweet, it's just fucking pants on the head exceptional, just like with any sort of sperg on the other side like Kekistan or r/thedonald.
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I think it's idiotic to say that the GOP even understands GG, not to mention used it. They never showed to me that they could even understand Trump's appeal or even like Trump himself.

I think if anything, GG showed that even though the far future is probably going to be all Democrats like Obama said, the near future certainly wasn't so sure. And I think that Bannon realizing that is a stroke of genius. As much as I dislike him.
Jaimas said:
Did you ever wonder why this "GG is far right" meme kept being screamed, even when it's been comprehensively proven, over and over again, that the bulk of GG's support came from the old left?

The reason they keep yelling it isn't really because of their tendency to associate all their tormentors together, though that could be part of it - it's because it lets them dodge their own culpability for their own actions. It's easier for them to dismiss anything out of hand if they can pretend they have nothing to do with it, even when they clearly do.

If they did confront their own culpability, they'd have to face the fact that their opponents are other human beings and actually had a point behind at least some of all that Autism - and we can't have that, can we?
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IMO, This has two reasons:
  • If they claim that GG is all alt-right Trump fans, then they can just say: "There's nothing I can do d00d" in a DSP voice. They can claim that the rising tide was too much and they tried their best being the vanguard against Trump voters, which gives them some free virtue points while sweeping their own transgressions under the rug. This is why you see stuff like "Zoe Quinn/Brianna Wu fought the alt right & won".
  • It also has deeper roots in the current Marxist interpretation of post modernism, or Cultural Marxism which is the true fuel of SJWism today. I invite you to watch the video below (Full podcast here), which illustrates that point very effectively, even if Jordan takes a few minutes to work his way into it. The summary is that Cultural Marxists see the mere act of engaging in dialogue with any "oppressors" to be an act of evil in itself, because they would be engaging in a game that's on the oppressors' terms.
NotAWeeb said:
I think people are missing the point here. Art games aren't disliked by most people because they tackle serious topics and provide social commentary. They're disliked because they're often low-effort, no content garbage that are over within 3 hours, offer no replay value, are incredibly shallow both in gameplay and writing, look like shit (lazy pixel art or cheap Unity game) and the developers are often really smug and up their own asses about how their game is better than 99% of what's available while often insulting both the medium and the people who enjoy it.
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This. It's the sheer arrogance and hubris that indie developers seem to constantly indulge in, and while some of them are bringing interesting and enjoyable gameplay to the table (Jonathan Blow comes to mind). Some of them are just far too egotistical over games they didn't even make (Phil Fish).
 
NotAWeeb said:
I think people are missing the point here. Art games aren't disliked by most people because they tackle serious topics and provide social commentary. They're disliked because they're often low-effort, no content garbage that are over within 3 hours, offer no replay value, are incredibly shallow both in gameplay and writing, look like shit (lazy pixel art or cheap Unity game) and the developers are often really smug and up their own asses about how their game is better than 99% of what's available while often insulting both the medium and the people who enjoy it.
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Hell, there are plenty of triple-A and traditional violent action games that are plenty artsy, by my thinking. Grand Theft Auto has always been artsy because all the zany ads and radio offered a comedic social commentary. Half-Life was kind of artistic by having an fps where you never leave the pc's pov or see cutscenes, and then it turned out you were on a rail in the story as well as gameplay-wise. Metal Gear Solid was obviously more in-your-face with the commentary about war and soldiers and gameplay quality was sacrificed sometimes, but the series is still generally all good games that also asked you to think about some deeper things. On the other end, say what you will about undertale but I thought it was damned clever, poignant, and still very fun to play.

Games can be art. Good games can be, big budget games can be, pixel art games made by one guy in rpgmaker can be. They also don't have to be. Tetris is just a reflex game. The breakout clone I just bought on steam also doesn't need to make me reflect on any deeper themes. There really is something for everybody, and you can make a shallow and juvenile attempt at sending a message if you want, just don't expect an easy battle getting consumers to value it.

But I guess that's evil capitalism for you. Under blessed communism, the ruling party would say "what we like are the only games that can be games and you either take it or you get nothing". Huh, almost like the shitty devs and journos and their crowd have a conflict of interest when complaining about having competition for their product.
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
Hell, there are plenty of triple-A and traditional violent action games that are plenty artsy, by my thinking. Grand Theft Auto has always been artsy because all the zany ads and radio offered a comedic social commentary. Half-Life was kind of artistic by having an fps where you never leave the pc's pov or see cutscenes, and then it turned out you were on a rail in the story as well as gameplay-wise. Metal Gear Solid was obviously more in-your-face with the commentary about war and soldiers and gameplay quality was sacrificed sometimes, but the series is still generally all good games that also asked you to think about some deeper things. On the other end, say what you will about undertale but I thought it was damned clever, poignant, and still very fun to play.

Games can be art. Good games can be, big budget games can be, pixel art games made by one guy in rpgmaker can be. They also don't have to be. Tetris is just a reflex game. The breakout clone I just bought on steam also doesn't need to make me reflect on any deeper themes. There really is something for everybody, and you can make a shallow and juvenile attempt at sending a message if you want, just don't expect an easy battle getting consumers to value it.

But I guess that's evil capitalism for you. Under blessed communism, the ruling party would say "what we like are the only games that can be games and you either take it or you get nothing". Huh, almost like the shitty devs and journos and their crowd have a conflict of interest when complaining about having competition for their product.
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There's also another reason why Game Journos want to do this:

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I LOL'd hard at this.
 
NotAWeeb said:
I think people are missing the point here. Art games aren't disliked by most people because they tackle serious topics and provide social commentary. They're disliked because they're often low-effort, no content garbage that are over within 3 hours, offer no replay value, are incredibly shallow both in gameplay and writing, look like shit (lazy pixel art or cheap Unity game) and the developers are often really smug and up their own asses about how their game is better than 99% of what's available while often insulting both the medium and the people who enjoy it.
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The low effort and pretentious attitudes displayed in these indie art game developers would only make one wonder if there messages and such is really just these guys getting high from their farts because they made some art game and they think it must be shit deeper than Rembrandt and Aristotle.

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There's also another reason why Game Journos want to do this:

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Much as the Twitter is a joke account, that can be rather accurate in some ways
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
Hell, there are plenty of triple-A and traditional violent action games that are plenty artsy, by my thinking. Grand Theft Auto has always been artsy because all the zany ads and radio offered a comedic social commentary. Half-Life was kind of artistic by having an fps where you never leave the pc's pov or see cutscenes, and then it turned out you were on a rail in the story as well as gameplay-wise. Metal Gear Solid was obviously more in-your-face with the commentary about war and soldiers and gameplay quality was sacrificed sometimes, but the series is still generally all good games that also asked you to think about some deeper things. On the other end, say what you will about undertale but I thought it was damned clever, poignant, and still very fun to play.

Games can be art. Good games can be, big budget games can be, pixel art games made by one guy in rpgmaker can be. They also don't have to be. Tetris is just a reflex game. The breakout clone I just bought on steam also doesn't need to make me reflect on any deeper themes. There really is something for everybody, and you can make a shallow and juvenile attempt at sending a message if you want, just don't expect an easy battle getting consumers to value it.

But I guess that's evil capitalism for you. Under blessed communism, the ruling party would say "what we like are the only games that can be games and you either take it or you get nothing". Huh, almost like the shitty devs and journos and their crowd have a conflict of interest when complaining about having competition for their product.
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You know, I'm reminded of a few IRL commies I used to know back when my mom was still in the artist's circles here on Long Island. You could always tell when one of them was creating their "high art" that always, without exception was fucking literally garbage arranged to look slightly less like garbage. Suddenly this fucking stack of broken TV sets isn't a pile of trash in their yard, it's fucking experimental art. And they get all indignant when the town justifiably nails them with a citation for lowering property values.

The fucking Johnny-come-lately indie devs who screech about how relevant their shit is would be the gaming equivalent of this phenomenon.
 
Jaimas said:
You know, I'm reminded of a few IRL commies I used to know back when my mom was still in the artist's circles here on Long Island. You could always tell when one of them was creating their "high art" that always, without exception was fucking literally garbage arranged to look slightly less like garbage. Suddenly this fucking stack of broken TV sets isn't a pile of trash in their yard, it's fucking experimental art. And they get all indignant when the town justifiably nails them with a citation for lowering property values.

The fucking Johnny-come-lately indie devs who screech about how relevant their shit is would be the gaming equivalent of this phenomenon.
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The stacked trash in your post is basic post-modern shit.. It's art because the "artist" says it is, and if you can't see that then you just can't see that.

In the same way, Depression quest has more meaning than GTA and all your favorite games combined! And if you disagree then you're not as smart & insightful as Alex Lifshitz.

Post-modernism has placed a lot of importance on how people see their own works (which encourages bias and laziness, because no one can see all the flaws in their work), versus how it used to be where outsiders are the ones judging the work and critiquing it.
 
Jaimas said:
You know, I'm reminded of a few IRL commies I used to know back when my mom was still in the artist's circles here on Long Island. You could always tell when one of them was creating their "high art" that always, without exception was fucking literally garbage arranged to look slightly less like garbage. Suddenly this fucking stack of broken TV sets isn't a pile of trash in their yard, it's fucking experimental art. And they get all indignant when the town justifiably nails them with a citation for lowering property values.

The fucking Johnny-come-lately indie devs who screech about how relevant their shit is would be the gaming equivalent of this phenomenon.
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Indie devs are fucking insufferable.
 
REGENDarySumanai said:
Indie devs are fucking insufferable.
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When you got a guy like Phil Fish sperging how his stolen game was meant to be played on a console in a saturday morning with a controller, you get insufferable right there. Alternatively, you get the Tale of Tales developers who find out their African American maid game doesn't sell well despite some people hyping it up and you have them go on Twitter saying "FUCK YOU GAMERS" because their indie game of an African American maid in South America didn't sell well.
 
Jaimas said:
Pretty sure Alec meant metaphorical, not literal shit.

Don't care. Thumbs up.
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Speaking of insufferable indie game devs, have any of them aside from Phil Fish still bitch of GG? Any of them being a hanger-on that still REEEE at it?
 
c-no said:
Speaking of insufferable indie game devs, have any of them aside from Phil Fish still bitch of GG? Any of them being a hanger-on that still REEEE at it?
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Less than you may have been hoping.

They don't come out of the woodwork as often anymore, and many of them actively scrub their Twitters (to evade the GG Veterans who archive everything), but they definitely still sperg about GG when able. Quinn is by far the most visible and public of them doing it, but severa; others have as well over the last year.

Wait until you see a major happening - then you'll see the virtue signalers emerge.
 
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