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c-no said:
Only if someone thinks we are the masterminds behind all of this and that we are the final boss of the internet or something like that along those lines.
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Doesn't ED give themselves that title?
 
SCRuler said:
Doesn't ED give themselves that title?
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We're probably the easier target, all things considered, since we kind of have these forums and a wiki dedicated to pretty much putting the autistic wonder boy's entire life for the internet to see and the sister wiki for GK is getting up and running right now as well (though at the same time if the SJW's do come and attack us for "harrassing" GK, I suspect hitting back with the relevation GK is one fucked up pedo will crush them since defending a pedo would undermine their entire "movement")
 
Morbid Boredom said:
So, have any AAA companies pledged to stop using their capital to influence journos?
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No because that would be retarded.

Krookodile said:
http://apgnation.com/archives/2014/10/27/9099/gamergate-raises-six-thousand-dollars-extra-life

How many non-self-serving charities has anti-GG supported again?

(Also, remember to disable Adblock for sites you support (e.g. APGNation) and maybe click an ad or two to show your love.)
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Because they have to donate to a charity to prove themselves to be good people? This really comes off as PR pandering more than anything else. Good on whatever the charity is though for getting some cash out of this fiasco.
 
DrChristianTroy said:
Because they have to donate to a charity to prove themselves to be good people? This really comes off as PR pandering more than anything else. Good on whatever the charity is though for getting some cash out of this fiasco.
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It's like when Bronies donated money to Michael Morones, a kid who attempted suicide over being bullied for (among other things that came out later) being a brony, and then turned around and said "we're good guys. Look how we gave money to Michael Morones."
 
Kamen Rider Black RX said:
It's like when Bronies donated money to Michael Morones, a kid who attempted suicide over being bullied for (among other things that came out later) being a brony, and then turned around and said "we're good guys. Look how we gave money to Michael Morones."
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Why couldn't they just do it for the sake of doing good things? That really depresses me :(
 
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DynamiteNinja said:
Why couldn't they just do it for the sake of doing good things? That really depresses me :(
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Well, some quick research:
  • /v/ and Gamergate raised $22k for The Fine Young Capitalists
  • Gamergate has raised $16k for the Pacer Center
  • Gamergate has raised $6k for Extra Life
  • Gamergate has raised $5k for Suicide Prevention
That's $49,000 donated by thousands who are "just trying to prove they are good people" :roll:
 
To be fair, considering this issue has a lot to do with a whole image thing, it's inevitable that the activism would count.

People like to bring up that #GamerGate's opposition doesn't give to charity mainly due to the fact that the biggest opponents are promoting activism and justice - but their own efforts feel so aggressive and in opposition that it feels like they are doing armchair activism to a degree. That they can afford to say whatever comes to mind about gamers, even if it's unpleasant, and say 'hey, these guys are racist women-haters, they can't do anything good, they're just dirty unwashed neckbeards!' to justify their actions. Even when it's not true.

So the charity work feels necessary. Unfortunately, donations at least feel superior to armchair activism, in that it requires more of a sacrifice for something that doesn't profit you directly - which #GamerGate is sort of trying to profit from. But denying the donations isn't exactly the right thing to do, now is it?
 
A Random said:
To be fair, considering this issue has a lot to do with a whole image thing, it's inevitable that the activism would count.

People like to bring up that #GamerGate's opposition doesn't give to charity mainly due to the fact that the biggest opponents are promoting activism and justice - but their own efforts feel so aggressive and in opposition that it feels like they are doing armchair activism to a degree. That they can afford to say whatever comes to mind about gamers, even if it's unpleasant, and say 'hey, these guys are racist women-haters, they can't do anything good, they're just dirty unwashed neckbeards!' to justify their actions. Even when it's not true.

So the charity work feels necessary. Unfortunately, donations at least feel superior to armchair activism, in that it requires more of a sacrifice for something that doesn't profit you directly - which #GamerGate is sort of trying to profit from. But denying the donations isn't exactly the right thing to do, now is it?
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I personally feel that Charity isn't about Gamergate or Anti-Gamergate. It's about improving things.

I mean - yeah, the main reason that support for TFYC and the like keeps coming up is because it plays directly contrary to the notion that it's all about misogyny, and TFYC is tangentially involved in Gamergate, so that one really can't escape the criticism, but it's still for a good cause even if we ignore all of that.

And that's kind of important, IMHO.

For my analysis, achieving good things trumps ideology or viewpoint on the matter. A good deed done, even if for a self-serving reason, is still, for the most part, a good deed at the end of the day - do you think some disenfranchised child with Leukemia gives two shits if her life-saving medication got funded by some old guy who wanted to prove to his asshole family he wasn't a complete cock? Fucking no, because the matter of her still being alive takes a little bit of precedence.

Just my take on the matter. Feel free to disagree. And in more direct GG-Related News:

Adrian Chen, of Gawker Fame, apparently attempted to Acquire IA's personal info. Again, this was found out because Twitter. God damn these people are stupid.
 
Adobe posted this today, a statement stating explicitly that Adobe does not support Gamergate or Bullying. LWu and her kin are fiddling and dancing because "we" have lost Adobe's support.
We continue to receive questions, and because it appears that our silence is causing more harm than good, here is our position clearly articulated:

We are not and have never been aligned with Gamergate. We reject all forms of bullying, including the harassment of women by individuals associated with Gamergate. Every human being deserves respect, regardless of gender, orientation, appearance, personal hobbies or anything else that makes individuals who they are.
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I mean... I joke a lot, right? I say things that are mean and generalizing and it's rude but it's mostly in jest but goddamn, I think these people are literally retarded. My OTP Dabitch wrote a quick reply to this blog post (and the opposition) and woooo, it's a doozy.

Let me translate that last bit from PR terms into layman's terms: "Bro, do you even read?"
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When I tweeted out that "Gawker is Toxic", the ensuing twitter discussion focused mainly on Adobe. It did not focus on the website that doesn't pay its interns. The website that "doxxed" every gun owner in New York city, revealing the home & number of stalker victims who "thanked" Gawker for this idiocy already in the comments. Gawker media who has a preoccupation with sports celebrities hacked phone nudes, who likes leaking other peoples movie scripts, and who like to thumb their noses at Judges who order them to remove leaked sex tapes. Nobody likes Gawker, guys. They've literally turned bullying into a media empire. Yet somehow, Adobe was the main topic.
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That is a mighty fine bit of research there. Mighty fine indeed. Real shame if a website like adland.tv was highly respected in the world of advertising, which is also the world that is no longer paying many gaming websites...
 
I don't see GG's charity work as 100% pandering. Sure, there are plenty of people doing it to one-up the anti-GGs, but do you really think that all $49,000 of that money is from thousands of smug neckbeards trying to show off just how great they are compared to those dumb LW losers? There are plenty of other donators who are doing it because TFYC's kickstarter is a really great pro-women idea (and because Afterlife Empire sounds amazing.), or because they're upset that fuckasses like Biddle can talk about "bringing back bullying" when that's such a huge problem in the world.

Even if every single donator affiliated with GG was doing it to "weaponize charity," I still sure as hell respect them more than what I've seen from the other side. Shitting on a charity for women, begging for donations for themselves, multiple people using unrelated deaths against GG...

GamerGate may not be perfect, but it's definitely the lesser of two evils, and I feel like they're doing a lot more to help people than the other side.
 
Just because Adobe doesn't want anything to do with Gamer gate doesn't mean they are on your side either.
 
That's probably because I think Adobe isn't paying much attention to this horseshit. They have nothing to gain by jumping into the fray but now that they've equated Gamergate with just being a general anti-feminist, due to the inherent corruption that started this whole fucking thing, they've made a critical mistake.
 
Smutley said:
LWu and her kin are fiddling and dancing because "we" have lost Adobe's support.
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SJWs don't really understand how capitalism works, so the idea of a company releasing PR statements purely out of economic interests is alien to them.

What I really am baffled by lately is the amount of gawker supporters that have rushed to their aid. The entire website has not a single redeeming quality, and with a growing laundry list of unequivocally reprehensible acts they've committed, how can anyone say they actually like gawker? People go on about how the voices for journalistic integrity need to shed #GG to be taken seriously, but really it's the anti side that needs to ditch gawker.
 
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