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So she's like TJChurch in that she's allergic to questions?
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So she's like TJChurch in that she's allergic to questions?
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Funny you should mention that, friend...
The guy that is interviewing her is a personal friend "Glenn Fleishman has given me career advice on more occasions than I can count." so this interview with cherry picked questions that have been translated into SJW softballs is totally going to be on the up-and-up.
Oh yeah, here are the questions Milo was going to answer before she bailed on his radio show at the last minute. You can see the full list in the spoiler below if you don't want to click through.
- You were recently doxxed and threatened online. The act was reprehensible, and whoever is responsible for it needs to be charged and punished. Can you tell us briefly what happened?
- Have you experienced any other hostile online activity? I noticed a tweet in which you suggested some financial data might be at risk.
- First of all, let’s put the conspiracy theories to bed: you obviously didn’t send that stuff to yourself, did you.
- What’s happening with the police and FBI? Are they trying to track down the culprit? You’ll be pressing charges, I assume?
- How has this affected you and your family? Have you felt able to return home yet?
- In your tweets following the threat, you assumed a GamerGate supporter must have been responsible. What were the events that led up to that moment that led you to that conclusion?
- Wasn’t it a bit unfair to tarnish and entire movement based on the actions of what must surely be one or two fringe elements? Wasn’t that a bit hasty? On July 22, for example, you said you had a stalker with access to your personal information.
- On the show last week, Damion Schubert suggested that there are hackers and trolls out there targeting both sides of this debate. The sort of people who want to see the world burn. Do you think you might have been a victim of such an attack?
- You clarified on social media that it “seemed a logical induction” to assume you were doxxed and threated by GamerGate. But critics will say you did this on Twitter and only after the press ball was rolling, and the narrative had become established. Do you accept that you jumped to conclusions?
- Would you, as a sign of good faith, delete the tweet in which you blame GamerGate? It has been retweeted over 7,000 times, been responsible for a lot of abuse to GamerGate supporters and picked up widely by the media, despite the fact that there is no evidence for the claim, and most people seem to think it was a malicious third party.
- What should be done about the raft of stories that place the blame for this squarely at the feet of GamerGate supporters? Or do you you think the movement had it coming, for being associated so closely with threats and abuse to women in the games industry?
- In my experience, people in fear of their lives tend not to announce it on Twitter. And the police generally instruct threat targets not to announce their whereabouts. Why did you publicise the threats made against you? Do you understand why some people might consider it to have been opportunistic? You were, after all, hardly a neutral observer.
- If you’ve been in fear of your life, why did you tweet your exact location at ComicCon on Sunday, down to the stall number? Isn’t that asking for trouble? Do you see why people don’t take threats seriously when people are merrily tweeting their precise location to thousands of strangers 48 hours after death and rape threats? It tells me, as a journalist, that you didn’t take them seriously in the least bit. If I’m being honest.
- On 6 October, you tweeted: “#Gamergate is a madness that dreams it’s a revolution.” What did you mean by that?
- Numerous threats have been made against public figures, male and female, before the existence of GamerGate. So it stands to reason that they will continue after it’s gone. What, then, is the point of blaming GamerGate supporters, most of whom I’ve found to be polite, reasonable people? What will be accomplished? This behaviour will likely continue anyway, so why are so many people trying to silence a movement that is sincerely campaigning for what it sees as desperately needed reform in press ethics?
- Some people are unhappy with you because they say you created a meme about them that used an image of an autistic child. They say, in effect, “you started it.” Are you blameless in this situation, or did you stoke the fires on purpose?
- Why was it “harassment” when 8chan and GG members replied with their own versions of a meme you started about them? The way one person put it to me was: “It seems like Brianna joined a pillow-fight and was playing too rough… then someone hit her with a pillow full of bricks.”
- You mentioned that this 8chan thread was “60 pages” long. To people who don’t know about internet culture, that sounds like a gigantic torrent of unpleasant content. But any creative or meme thread on any board runs that long, doesn’t it? Wasn’t this just stirring the pot?
- You created a Twitter account by the name of Jake Harper or @brololz, which used the GamerGate hashtag to tweet jokes about Tomb Raider death scenes and erections. Do you understand why some observers might consider you a provocateur?
- Every movement on the internet has extremists at its fringes. Why do you think GamerGate is being held to such an impossibly high standard? Isn’t this like blaming all Muslims for the actions of ISIS?
- Do you believe GamerGate is full of misogynists, racists and homophobes?
- Why do you think the women on the pro-GamerGate side, some of whom have also been doxxed and threatened, have received no press coverage at all?
- Why do gamers object to feminist critiques of video games so much? Is it because they hate women? Or is it because they simply find the work of Anita Sarkeesian ridiculous?
- What, in your view, has gone wrong with video games journalism, and who are the main culprits? Do you agree with GamerGate that there is a problem in video games journalism?
- Do you have any suggestions about how the industry could move forward? Do you support Damion Schubert’s idea for a consumer body? Should there be some kind of press charter? What’s your view?
- Why do you think organisations such as GaymerX, a support organisation for LGBT gamers, are so reluctant to engage with people who don’t share their politics? What’s the point of a safe space if it’s only there for some people? Isn’t it more like an elitist club?
- Have you experienced any other hostile online activity? I noticed a tweet in which you suggested some financial data might be at risk.
- First of all, let’s put the conspiracy theories to bed: you obviously didn’t send that stuff to yourself, did you.
- What’s happening with the police and FBI? Are they trying to track down the culprit? You’ll be pressing charges, I assume?
- How has this affected you and your family? Have you felt able to return home yet?
- In your tweets following the threat, you assumed a GamerGate supporter must have been responsible. What were the events that led up to that moment that led you to that conclusion?
- Wasn’t it a bit unfair to tarnish and entire movement based on the actions of what must surely be one or two fringe elements? Wasn’t that a bit hasty? On July 22, for example, you said you had a stalker with access to your personal information.
- On the show last week, Damion Schubert suggested that there are hackers and trolls out there targeting both sides of this debate. The sort of people who want to see the world burn. Do you think you might have been a victim of such an attack?
- You clarified on social media that it “seemed a logical induction” to assume you were doxxed and threated by GamerGate. But critics will say you did this on Twitter and only after the press ball was rolling, and the narrative had become established. Do you accept that you jumped to conclusions?
- Would you, as a sign of good faith, delete the tweet in which you blame GamerGate? It has been retweeted over 7,000 times, been responsible for a lot of abuse to GamerGate supporters and picked up widely by the media, despite the fact that there is no evidence for the claim, and most people seem to think it was a malicious third party.
- What should be done about the raft of stories that place the blame for this squarely at the feet of GamerGate supporters? Or do you you think the movement had it coming, for being associated so closely with threats and abuse to women in the games industry?
- In my experience, people in fear of their lives tend not to announce it on Twitter. And the police generally instruct threat targets not to announce their whereabouts. Why did you publicise the threats made against you? Do you understand why some people might consider it to have been opportunistic? You were, after all, hardly a neutral observer.
- If you’ve been in fear of your life, why did you tweet your exact location at ComicCon on Sunday, down to the stall number? Isn’t that asking for trouble? Do you see why people don’t take threats seriously when people are merrily tweeting their precise location to thousands of strangers 48 hours after death and rape threats? It tells me, as a journalist, that you didn’t take them seriously in the least bit. If I’m being honest.
- On 6 October, you tweeted: “#Gamergate is a madness that dreams it’s a revolution.” What did you mean by that?
- Numerous threats have been made against public figures, male and female, before the existence of GamerGate. So it stands to reason that they will continue after it’s gone. What, then, is the point of blaming GamerGate supporters, most of whom I’ve found to be polite, reasonable people? What will be accomplished? This behaviour will likely continue anyway, so why are so many people trying to silence a movement that is sincerely campaigning for what it sees as desperately needed reform in press ethics?
- Some people are unhappy with you because they say you created a meme about them that used an image of an autistic child. They say, in effect, “you started it.” Are you blameless in this situation, or did you stoke the fires on purpose?
- Why was it “harassment” when 8chan and GG members replied with their own versions of a meme you started about them? The way one person put it to me was: “It seems like Brianna joined a pillow-fight and was playing too rough… then someone hit her with a pillow full of bricks.”
- You mentioned that this 8chan thread was “60 pages” long. To people who don’t know about internet culture, that sounds like a gigantic torrent of unpleasant content. But any creative or meme thread on any board runs that long, doesn’t it? Wasn’t this just stirring the pot?
- You created a Twitter account by the name of Jake Harper or @brololz, which used the GamerGate hashtag to tweet jokes about Tomb Raider death scenes and erections. Do you understand why some observers might consider you a provocateur?
- Every movement on the internet has extremists at its fringes. Why do you think GamerGate is being held to such an impossibly high standard? Isn’t this like blaming all Muslims for the actions of ISIS?
- Do you believe GamerGate is full of misogynists, racists and homophobes?
- Why do you think the women on the pro-GamerGate side, some of whom have also been doxxed and threatened, have received no press coverage at all?
- Why do gamers object to feminist critiques of video games so much? Is it because they hate women? Or is it because they simply find the work of Anita Sarkeesian ridiculous?
- What, in your view, has gone wrong with video games journalism, and who are the main culprits? Do you agree with GamerGate that there is a problem in video games journalism?
- Do you have any suggestions about how the industry could move forward? Do you support Damion Schubert’s idea for a consumer body? Should there be some kind of press charter? What’s your view?
- Why do you think organisations such as GaymerX, a support organisation for LGBT gamers, are so reluctant to engage with people who don’t share their politics? What’s the point of a safe space if it’s only there for some people? Isn’t it more like an elitist club?
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I know nothing of GamerGate because I am not Homer, but Brianna Wu looks just like Rika to me.
Also: wow, 193 pages.
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Angles and lighting do wonders.
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Sadly, a lot of people still seem to be doing it. 8chan is already in decline. If you look at the boards, there are about 20 of them still alive and only 2 or 3 of those get even a fraction of 4chan's traffic.
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Some of these are a little slanted but not hard to come up with reasonable responses up to and including "blah blah blah is my opinion on this forum but don't you think that question is a little slanted?"
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Not going to 4chan doesn't mean people have to go to 8chan.
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Well that guy did a good job being neutral, actually questioning what she says.
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Okay.
Now that I've seen the rest of the interview, I definitely feel that LWu is using the momentum of GG to bring attention to her own cause, and what she wants doesn't even oppose what GG wants. LWu is upset that news outlets haven't talked about the harassment, gamers following GG are upset that news outlets are shitting on them.
I believe - correct me if I'm wrong - that she started off as critical of GG. That is not a crime, but it pissed off people, and (this can't be said without victim-blaming) she got stung because she kicked the hornet's nest that is the internet. Now she's using her booboo to gather attention to herself and the women who were "harassed out of the industry."
Regarding LWu's satire account, btw: joke or not, she added to the shit that painted the movement as misogynistic.
Now that I've seen the rest of the interview, I definitely feel that LWu is using the momentum of GG to bring attention to her own cause, and what she wants doesn't even oppose what GG wants. LWu is upset that news outlets haven't talked about the harassment, gamers following GG are upset that news outlets are shitting on them.
I believe - correct me if I'm wrong - that she started off as critical of GG. That is not a crime, but it pissed off people, and (this can't be said without victim-blaming) she got stung because she kicked the hornet's nest that is the internet. Now she's using her booboo to gather attention to herself and the women who were "harassed out of the industry."
Regarding LWu's satire account, btw: joke or not, she added to the shit that painted the movement as misogynistic.
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"When I do it, it's just a joke. When they do it, they're worse than Hitler!"
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You know, I just realized where we're at the point where their narrative's starting to fall apart. It genuinely feels like we've passed some kind of milestone, does it not?
LW1 fucks off to Europe, possibly to escape prosecution, possibly to escape the scandal itself, with her rich joy-boy Alex "Gamers are arrogant sacks of hot garbage who should be broken on racks" Lifschitz in tow after both admitting the sex scandal was true and thanking Gamergate supporters for fighting doxxing attempts.
LW2 is currently in a decaying orbit. Her handlers are making her scream increasingly cray-cray things to get a rise out of people (and clicks), but she and Full McIntosh are losing people like crazy even as the clicks go up. Completely trapped, she's condemned to either hoist herself by her own petard, fade from the public eye in due time, or be pilloried by her own in the so-called SJW community for not being sufficiently shrill.
LW3 just had an interview wherein she freaked out from being asked simple, non-softball, non-bullshit questions that showed absolutely zero bias, effectively having a giant screaming melt-down on the national stage and making herself out to be a hysterical nut with no public speaking skills. Her public presence was already slowly dipping negative, and with this, it's likely to nosedive.
Throw in the possible Gawker astroturfing thing (I really want to see where that goes, if it even leads anywhere) and I think we've covered each base on why their loudest voices are starting to collapse like wet cardboard.
Your thoughts on this, my fellow Kiwis?
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Wu entered this fight on her own volition, and in the dumbest way possibly: she cried harrassment and sexism because an un-funny meme she created was co-opted by Gaters to mock her and her friends. That's literally it. That's the entire reason she's in this - because she tried to get points with her crowd, failed miserably, and has spun that into a campaign to raise as much money for the cause of Brianna Wu as possibly.
I wanted people to leave her alone, I wished everyone would ignore her blatent grab for mainstream shekels, but she's not going away. She refuses to despite ample evidence she's as dumb as Chris and as self-aware as Goldie. But she won't. And she poked the bear one too many times now.
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The thing is, even if it doesn't get anywhere near the traffic 4chan does, 8chan's garnered a community all its own, and it'll steadily grow from here on out. The fact that it was willing to allow the /gg/ discussion when 4chan wasn't was part of the reason it caught on, but 8chan itself's the reason they stayed.
There's plenty of room out there on the tubernets for all the various *chans. In fact, almost every variant *chan I can think off that started during the initial fragmentations are still around, like Desuchan and Bokuchan, even after bullshit like the AnonTalk spam floods that shut down entire *chans for weeks at a time. They all left because of initial fragmentation or a desire to focus on a want that they felt wasn't represented, but they hold no real ill will for their site of origin - if the call goes out that they are needed on 4chan, make no mistake - a huge number of Anons will heed the call and return to defend their ancestral home.
But that doesn't mean their new sites of residence will be left to rot, either.
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It definitely feels like the anti-gg side is starting to collapse right now considering everything you said. I want to agree with you that LW1 is bowing out but I don't want to place any bets considering her past track record. LW2 is probably going to stick around for a few more years until this "sexism in games" angle loses its appeal then she and McIntosh will be trying to find a way to salvage their careers and find another scheme to take advantage of. LW3 I think will be around a lot longer until eventually the opposition sees that she's really a detriment to their side no matter how much they try to sell her as an oppressed woman.
From what I'm seeing the websites might start making concessions or trying to figure out a way to end all this very soon. Gawkers losing money and will need a lot of it to defend themselves in that lawsuit so they will have to start taking drastic measures. I also read somewhere today, and don't remember exactly who, so if someone knows what I'm talking about by all means inform me, that a game site released an article asking that gg and anti-gg bury the hatchet and come together to talk things over, suggesting that things aren't working out for them and they need to get their readers back, but want to still make themselves look like the good guys coming to the table. Like I said before regarding Moot they know they backed the wrong horse and are trying to salvage both their sites and their pride.
I want to believe that this is the tipping point but I also want to remain cautious in case anything new pops up
Lord RainbowDash
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Surely this will be an unbiased, honest interview:
Surely.
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