🎭 Dramacow Gamergate / Depression Quest Shitstorm

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Here y'all go. This guy is an ED alum on his own (look him up), but I enjoy most of his stuff nonetheless. This one is no different.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

What I find interesting is how much Kotaku's statement and policy change bothered Zoe. Okay, the writers on Kotaku can't donate to indie game devs. That really hardly hurts 99.99999999999999999999% of indie devs because they're getting donations from so many different places or should be. Only Kotaku has made this change so this only hurts people who are relying on that specific clique. Zoe seems oblivious that by openly complaining about it she's just reinforced the view that she relies on friends in the industry. Well, she's probably not oblivious to it but I think she's so used to playing the victim that she is having trouble identifying when it's time to stop and shut up.

 

[Watcher]

Well, she's probably not oblivious to it but I think she's so used to playing the victim that she is having trouble identifying when it's time to stop and shut up.

I don't predict Zoe's life is going to go anywhere from here.

Bare in mind that her reputation on the internet right now is "that slut who fucked journalists so they'd write about her". She also fucked her boss who was also married, so she's very likely going to be out of work in the future. Depression Quest was a flash game that is just a series of text menus, so she can't make a new game to make ends meet. Especially since a lot of these journalists sure as shit aren't going to write about her now.

And while her Patreon is being funded by SJW's I can only predict she's going to turn to negative attention to pay the rent. Eventually that faucet drip is going to run dry.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

And while her Patreon is being funded by SJW's I can only predict she's going to turn to negative attention to pay the rent. Eventually that faucet drip is going to run dry.

She stated she's still going to PAX. While I have no problem with her still doing her thing like nothing happened it seems like given her history she might be betting on the negative attention she'll obviously get there to maintain her appearance as a victim for those who still support her. That actually worries me because if anyone points out that it was obvious that she would get some shit while going to PAX there will be the typical "OH, so you're saying I deserve what happened to me? LIKE I WAS ASKING FOR IT?". If she goes to PAX, ignores the shit she gets and doesn't tweet every incident then I may actually believe that she's there because she loves games and talking about games.

 

[RV 229]

Hang on a second... Depression Quest isn't even an actual game, it's a chose-your-own-adventure story? I'm pretty sure you can make the same shit using Quizzilla, and this chick isn't a game-designer, she's just a writer. No wonder why she had to fuck all these guys to get anywhere.

 

[Watcher]

Hang on a second... Depression Quest isn't even an actual game, it's a chose-your-own-adventure story? I'm pretty sure you can make the same shit using Quizzilla, and this chick isn't a game-designer, she's just a writer. No wonder why she had to fuck all these guys to get anywhere.

Unfortunately game designers like Zoe are fairly common. When I worked on a game we called them "Ideas guys"

Basically the person who contributes an idea, has no comprehension of how it could theoretically work, and expects other people to actually do that shit. It's no wonder her best effort was a flash game that any of us could have created after a week of reading tutorials online. One that doesn't deserve to be on a platform like Steam which has legitimate games that were made by actual talented individuals.

One of the top reviews for the game summarizes it very well. Let me quote it.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/seventhnumber/recommended/270170/
Point blank: I think this game fails at what it set out to do. It doesn't make the user understand depression at all. In fact, it's just the story of some overpriviledged guy too stuck in his head. Nothing awful actually happens to the character. The player isn't made to sympathize with him in any way. Instead it just comes off as "Make the right decision and get moderately better". Actual depression is nothing like that. It just fails on all levels to capture just how dreary and dreadful the world actually looks when you've got depression. There's no sense of hopelessness or despair. The name itself "Depression Quest" is utterly uncreative and unimaginative as well.

 

[WWWWolf]

One thing that irks me on this whole ordeal is how SJW's want to inject their agenda into all games. First you start small with the indie stuff, big companies see it take off and then they say "Obviously this sells now, this is what we should do". I never got the praise for stupid shit like Gone Home because as someone who has been gaming for 20 or so years, it came off to me as a preachy house walking simulator. Now imagine an entire industry saying "Clearly this is what they want let's make more" (thank fucking god it hasn't quite yet (but it's happening)) and pushing that all over.

I don't really believe that sort of thinking is going on in the game industry (at least consciously), though it's possible that it's happening at some level. Still, I really don't care if games take a stand in the social issues, as long as it doesn't compromise the game design. Social issues can be plot elements just like everything else. Some games can benefit from that kind of stuff, some don't.

And of course, big developers have already done this in tasteful and reasonable manner. (I think a lot of developers have tackled LGBT issues pretty decently lately. Didn't ruin the games.) And some developers have kind of failed. (Thank god the 2-hour rant about nuclear weapons is over, Kojima, we love you anyway! )

Also, art games are a pretty distinct game genre. Nobody's seriously going to expect Gone Home or its ilk to compete with AAA titles, because artsyfartsy stuff just doesn't sell that well to general public. I don't think people can sneak this stuff through all of the sanity checks.

 

[teheviltwin]

I know that by her own definition she raped her boyfriend many, many times but I'm not sure that many people have discussed the fact that by fucking a married man she was aiding in him raping his wife. She's a rapist, a rape supporter and a 'mysoginist' by her own definitions.

 

[MayMay]

So DQ is literally the kind of thing you'd find on writing.com except made in a format actual games could be made from?

Whenever anyone says anything less than glowing about people like Zoe and Anita everyone just shits their pants whining about how it's because they obviously hate women or something.

Nah. People complain about these types of people because they're lazy, they're completely lacking in integrity and range from con artists to prostitutes. And they are being heralded as the face of the female gaming community. I feel legitimately sorry in advance for the next woman who actually tries to be a real game developer because now everyone's just gonna doubt her and think she just made a text game and sucked off some pathetic morons for good reviews instead of putting a decent game together.

 

[BT 075]

I know that by her own definition she raped her boyfriend many, many times but I'm not sure that many people have discussed the fact that by fucking a married man she was aiding in him raping his wife. She's a rapist, a rape supporter and a 'mysoginist' by her own definitions.

I think SJWs collectively suffer from Sylvester Stallone syndrome and think those things simply don't apply to them.

 

[John Titor]

I disagree with the notion that CYOA text games aren't "true games" but I won't sperg about game design philosophy at the moment.

I'm not following closely to Zoe's side of the drama so I want to clarify: The game is given out for free right? Does Zoe really gain anything from that other than attention?

 

[Watcher]

I disagree with the notion that CYOA text games aren't "true games" but I won't sperg about game design philosophy at the moment.

Depression Quest isn't like a text based adventure game, like those old Sierra games. Where there are dozens of different things you can do based on what you type in. The game holds your hand and goes through a very scripted series of events.

 

[John Titor]

Depression Quest isn't like a text based adventure game, like those old Sierra games. Where there are dozens of different things you can do based on what you type in. The game holds your hand and goes through a very scripted series of events.

I'm aware of that and I still recognize them as CYOA for simplicity.

 

[Coffee Overdose]

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[teheviltwin]

I think SJWs collectively suffer from Sylvester Stallone syndrome and think those things simply don't apply to them.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wvJiYrRcfQo

It particularly interested me because I've seen several SJWs use the "you can't rape a man" defense. Which is a disgusting, bigoted pile of horseshit... But I'd like to see them use it to weasel out of her part in his wife's "rape".

I disagree with the notion that CYOA text games aren't "true games" but I won't sperg about game design philosophy at the moment.

I'm not following closely to Zoe's side of the drama so I want to clarify: The game is given out for free right? Does Zoe really gain anything from that other than attention?

Yes. She has a Patreon that is literally being funded by the journalists etc. As well as highly suspicious muggings for pity tips. The paypal account to donate to her game jam is also her personal paypal...

I recommend checking out both of IA's videos.

Go to 18:50.

Go to 17:15, 20:55,

EDIT: Fuck it. I forgot that the financial stuff is spread through out both videos so I added them both.

 

[Henry Bemis]

Zoe Quinn has a Wikipedia article, and according to said article, she's working on a FMV game with Greg Sestero.

Do I really want her career go down the drain, on the off-chance this could turn into something?

 

[DN 420]

Zoe Quinn has a Wikipedia article, and according to said article, she's working on a FMV game with Greg Sestero.

Do I really want her career go down the drain, on the off-chance this could turn into something?

There isn't anything to worry about. If the corrupt win then she'll fade back into obscurity. If they lose, she'll be launched to a celebrity status, especially if someone on this side actually does something legitimately harmful to her. She loves the attention.

In all seriousness though, what exactly would she be contributing? Given the skills of hers we have seen so far.

 

[Smutley]

Should discussion of games journalism and it's failings as a whole continue to go in to this thread, or should it go elsewhere? Because the cynical nature of many of the people (not) reporting on this or actively squashing discussion is nearly as interesting as Zoe Quinn and her awfulness. I just don't want to shit up a thread with unwanted topics.

 

[Venusaur]

Should discussion of games journalism and it's failings as a whole continue to go in to this thread, or should it go elsewhere? Because the cynical nature of many of the people (not) reporting on this or actively squashing discussion is nearly as interesting as Zoe Quinn and her awfulness.

Hrmm, I don't know if it deserves its own thread. It could just be kept in the "Zoe" thread until more reveleant stuff happens. I do agree that it's pretty interesting how everyone is just glossing over it or actively attempting to stamp out the discussion. I was reading Forbes today and found this little gem: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/08/22/the-truth-about-video-game-journalism/

 

[Smutley]

Well if that's the case... here's a conversation with John Walker on twitter.

Spoiler: John Walker

The last one is particularly interesting because on his personal blog he discusses how he will never report on those games because of a conflict of interest. So he understands conflicts of interest, he gets how it's deterimental, but he refuses to understand how paying a salary to a game dev, living with a game dev, or game devs fucking journalists might be considered a breach of conduct.