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Marvin said:
If I say "I'm gamergate and I condone this harassment" and I can get people to believe me, then it's true. (It's true proportionally to the percentage of people I can convince.)
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So if I say "I'm a Christorian and I think Chris is worse than Hitler" and I can get people to believe me, then it means we're all a-logs?

Oh, you're correct. It's sort of a "tragedy of the commons" sort of thing. That's why I don't suggest just making another twitter movement, because those are largely defined by whichever dipshits contribute. Make some sort of concrete organization, where you control the name.
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The media controls the name, not us. At least half the shit the media's reporting wasn't even from someone affiliated with Gamergate.
 
Marvin said:
Oh, you're correct. It's sort of a "tragedy of the commons" sort of thing. That's why I don't suggest just making another twitter movement, because those are largely defined by whatever dipshits contribute. Make some sort of concrete organization, where you control the name.
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Don't really like posting on this thread, but that's been suggested. It's also been rejected.
 
raymond said:
So if I say "I'm a Christorian and I think Chris is worse than Hitler" and I can get people to believe me, then it means we're all a-logs?
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Chris is uninteresting enough that you're not really able to make it widespread. But it's definitely possible.
Organic Fapcup said:
Don't really like posting on this thread, but that's been suggested. It's also been rejected.
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By rejecting that, they're saying they're accepting the gamergate reputation in lieu of establishing stronger ethics for gaming journalism. If that's what they want...
 
Marvin said:
If I say "I'm gamergate and I condone this harassment" and I can get people to believe me, then it's true. (It's true proportionally to the percentage of people I can convince.)

The furor over Zoe Quinn was not justified by what she actually did. That huge explosion was because of sexism.

How does that prove nepotism? Those relationships would be questionable with a man, I'll admit, but with a woman, gamergate people regard it as proven nepotism. (Because women don't like sex.)
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You last about as long as it took for you to harass someone and then you'd be reported. Before that you'd just be told to fuck off.

The Quinn Grayson thing turned out to be more interesting because he'd alpha tested DQ and was basically lying through his teeth about when he gave her the plugs. Not about the sex, as far as we know (and tbh who gives a fuck about that anyway) but about being a friend of and working with ZQ on DQ. Then more looks were had at Grayson's past and apparently he has plugged and written articles about friends before. Dodgy little weasel.

It's not like they're related so it's more cronyism than nepotism really. And the list of offences might even cover racketeering and blacklisting (wrongful combinations.)

Please explain why it was sexism rather than she's a loudmouth arsehole who made a shit game and treated a lot of people like crap?

If it's because the guys didn't get the same level of focus then you can show me where the guys were tweeting hundreds of accusatory and offensive messages a day.
 
RecordStoreToughGuy said:
I think you have it right, sir. This whole thing strikes me as an excuse for people to be assholes. The idea that they're for ACCOUNTABILITY IN VIDEO GAME JOURNALISM is about the most ridiculous and self-indulgent hill to die on that I think I've heard in recent memory. As if EGM didn't shade its reviews to keep publishers from pulling ads.

I'm like, dude, if you don't want to pay sixty bucks for a game that might be shit, fucking wait six months. The price will drop to twenty because it will either be awesome and will be added to the best seller roster, or it will drop because it's a terrible game that didn't do well and wasn't worth playing anyway.

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We all know that magazines are usually influenced by their advertisers. I would be super surprised if they were shilling non-advertisers they partied with and fucked.
I don't read many game magazines but I'm all for eliminating highschool lunchroom bullshit from the adult world. Yes I'd like to see these guys get put out of business and be replaced by adults who act like professionals.
 
Marvin said:
By rejecting that, they're saying they're accepting the gamergate reputation in lieu of establishing stronger ethics for gaming journalism. If that's what they want...
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The reputation is based on a lie spun by a media that's trying to avoid having to acknowledge their own misdeeds, so they accuse the people who are calling them out on it as sexist.

We're not abandoning the hashtag, ever. Nor are we going to take advice from people on the enemy side.

If the enemy wants something, deny them.
 
Marvin said:
Chris is uninteresting enough that you're not really able to make it widespread. But it's definitely possible
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But it wouldn't be true.

By rejecting that, they're saying they're accepting the gamergate reputation in lieu of establishing stronger ethics for gaming journalism. If that's what they want...
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Gamergate's enemy is the media. You think Gamergate hasn't already accepted the fact that they are going to be smeared over and over again?
 
Lol Anita's still bitching about being called out for her bullshit last night (and blatantly using the shooting tragedy to shill for someone (probably a friend's) book):

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Marvin said:
By rejecting that, they're saying they're accepting the gamergate reputation in lieu of establishing stronger ethics for gaming journalism. If that's what they want...
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There were a couple of reasons why it was rejected:

  • It's generally accepted by GamerGate's supporters that its greatest strength is anonymity. There's no figurehead to attack.
  • The people who are vehemently and obviously against it, so, Social Justice Warriors, would have an easier time attacking this "concrete organization" by eventually co-opting it and making it lose its original purpose entirely.
  • The person who suggested this idea was vehemently against GamerGate, and had made plenty of comments about it before.

Then there's the fact that the people who bother with GamerGate outside of Twitter by emailing the sites' advertisers (in essence the most important thing) don't really give a shit about what GamerGate's reputation is, so long as advertisers keep getting pulled out.

That said, I do believe that it's turning into a massive and ridiculous shitstorm on the "Twitter front". Still, it's always nice to see how low SJWs will go.
Sorry if I sperged too much.

Lord BalderDash said:
The reputation is based on a lie spun by a media that's trying to avoid having to acknowledge their own misdeeds, so they accuse the people who are calling them out on it as sexist.

We're not abandoning the hashtag, ever. Nor are we going to take advice from people on the enemy side.

If the enemy wants something, deny them.
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Stop treating it like if it's a war. It makes you sound silly.
 
raymond said:
It's only video games on the surface. The fact that there's this much drama over it should be a clue that there's more to this than it looks.
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Hysterical drama about an issue is often inversely proportionate to how important it is.

This is basically neckbeards and SJWs fighting on Twitter.
 
raymond said:
But it wouldn't be true.
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Sure it would be. Language is defined by usage.
raymond said:
Gamergate's enemy is the media. You think Gamergate hasn't already accepted the fact that they are going to be smeared over and over again?
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Then gamergate is OK with being sexist. Which is my problem with it.
Organic Fapcup said:
  • The people who are vehemently and obviously against it, so, Social Justice Warriors, would have an easier time attacking this "concrete organization" by eventually co-opting it and making it lose its original purpose entirely.
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Eh, that's up to the people running the organization.
raymond said:
Do you believe we're all sexists?
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You personally? I have no idea. However I do believe gamergate as a group is sexist. Because that's the reputation they have.
teheviltwin said:
Methinks @Marvin might be trolling. I seriously doubt he drank this much kool aid.
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Reputation isn't right or wrong. It simply is.
 
Holdek said:
Hysterical drama about an issue is often inversely proportionate to how important it is.

This is basically neckbeards and SJWs fighting on Twitter.
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SJWs have taken over the media and are perfectly willing to abuse their power to spread lies and corruption. And now we have a golden opportunity to stop, or at least hurt it. You don't think that's important?

Marvin said:
Sure it would be. Language is defined by usage.
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No one else uses the word "true" the way you're doing right now though.
 
Marvin said:
Well, it might've been for nepotism. As you start to probe the case deeper, that gets harder and harder to prove. And even when you do, you've only proved that one girl fucked some people for good reviews.

It's not a substantial piece of evidence for the "journalistic integrity" movement. It's focusing on something very unimportant.
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If that's not enough evidence for you, you might want to check this out. Massive piles of evidence of corruption in the IGF and the surrounding organisations, especially with Fez, which was a game partially funded by the judges of the IGF and then promptly given an award by the same organisation. You can´t act like this is nothing.

 
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