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The presumption being pep is innocent despite being part of two clubs involved in dodgy dealings?
The city accusations were from before his time at City I believe. Which other club had the dodgy dealings? Barca looked like they started their shady shit after pep left to try and keep that high going
 
Paul Pogba got a 4 year ban but he can appeal.
He has to go to the court of arbitration of sport for this I believe. But if it doesn't get overturned or reduced, that's his career over. What a shame it would be too. Dude was really talented but his entire career was one big fucking disaster after another.

For reference
- His move from Le Havre academy to Manchester United's academy went to court and instead of an appeal, a transfer fee was probably arranged (sealed documents)
- Left United after one of the Brazilian twin outside backs played in his position in a premier league match. Allowed Raiola to come in and convince him to leave for Juve (correct move tbh)
- Became world class at Juventus and decided to return to United for 105 million euros instead of either staying or going to a better club. Signed a 5 year deal.
- Played under Mourinho, Solksjaer, Carrick, and Rangrick during the disaster spells of that club. Mourinho was probably his best manager too but I am guessing he was driven out.
- Returned to Juve to try and save his career, only to end up hurting his knee. Put off needed surgery in order to try and play at the world cup (failed). Then he gets hit with this doping ban.

Of course, this excludes his off the field bullshit. Its just a ton of talent to be wasted on weird shit outside the pitch
 
- Returned to Juve to try and save his career, only to end up hurting his knee. Put off needed surgery in order to try and play at the world cup (failed). Then he gets hit with this doping ban.

And he didn't even play in that match which got him into troubles. But yeah, one cursed career. Literally *makes weird muslim witchdoctor noises*
 
Paul Pogba got a 4 year ban but he can appeal.
- Became world class at Juventus and decided to return to United for 105 million euros instead of either staying or going to a better club. Signed a 5 year deal.
Negro should have never left Juventus in the first place. I'm biased but 2012-15 Pogba is so clear of any current year young midfielder like Bellingham, Rice, Musiala etc. His combination of technique and physicality is something I've never seen in any other player.

Pogba could have gone down as a legend of the game if he was able to keep his head on straight. Now he's just another case of wasted potential. Sad.
 
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Tell me what's wrong fam.

People are using the wildest arguments for/against any of the three red cards.

First one was double yellow and thus red; 2nd yellow is legit, dude could have just kicked out the ball and nothing would have happened. In the recaps I saw they didn't show his 1st one so there might be an issue but the thing is once a yellow stands after the game moved on it stands and thus the whole arguing about the 1st red is pretty pointless.

2nd red card was allegedly bc of some foul language. Couldn't find any audio of what the player said to the ref but arguing about red for being disrespectful against the ref, a player or anybody else on or around the pitch is absolutely pointless. Doesn't matter if you yell "Fuck" bc you missed a good chance or if you tell the ref to fuck his own mom, "Fuck" is an automatic red tho some refs tend to overhear it bc if they would force this rule consequently we would see red cards thrown around like candy.

3rd red is what most people are going nuts about. Ref decided the Lazio player committed some violent conduct. IMO it's a bit harsh, he could have deemed it as unsporting behavior and shown a yellow card instead. But if the ref decides it's violent conduct it is automatically a red card. There is no room for yellow.
But the point is refs are advised to use common sense and be very careful about red cards (as long as the action doesn't demand a red card per se). Would that scene have happened like in the first 10 minutes or so and the ref would have given a red you can bet your balls that the Italian association will ask him if he's a fucking retard and very likely not give him any Seria A game for the next weeks. But it happened like two minutes before the end of the game. Nevertheless the ref could have shown a yellow card to not further pour gasoline in an already heated match. It's called discretion.
Another point is the Lazio player used one of his arms to slightly swing and that's violent conduct. In slow motion it looks more like violent conduct but in real time it's not that wild and the ref could have just deemed it as shoving which is unsporting behavior then. Shoving usually only counts as violent conduct if you do it like on a completely unsuspecting player. Like when they are all around the ref, yelling at him and the players yelling at each other, shoving each other and one player would sprint to the hurdle and shove another player from behind. As a player your not suspected to know what's going on in your back to avoid being fouled/attacked.
And tbf the Lazio player brought it on himself too. All he had to do was to fall and it would have been a free kick and automatic yellow for the Milan player bc he was clearly holding the Lazio's player arm for quite some time and that would have been then a tactical foul.

Also the refs decision on red card #1 and #3 are not consistent. The first red card was bc of two yellow cards, the 2nd for basically the same sort of action the Lazio player did who saw the 3rd card (which was a clean red). So either show both Lazio players yellow or both a clean red one.

Basically three very stupid red cards and in all cases you can clearly blame the Lazio players for being to hot headed but the ref could have handled at least the last red card way better.

There was a controversial penalty scene where the refs decided against penalty. But penalty bc of foul or handplay, yeah, not going to dig into this bc that's where the rules have gone really wild (handball) and open room for the ref to decide (foul).

Milan got a coal scrapped too bc of offside. The offside technology they used nowadays clearly shows that the shoulder and the knee of the Milan player where in the forbidden zone. Both body parts are allowed to use to score so it's offside. But I saw people arguing that using the shoulder would be handplay and thus not qualifies for offside which is simply not true. Even it would be true then there is still the knee in the offside.
 
@Onni Kalsarikännit just saw the highlights of the game and you are right.

First red card was stupid on his part. No whistle so either kick it out or play on. He made a stupid foul and hoped the ref would bail him out.

Second red is a contentious one on whether or not he said anything. Def looked like he said something and you aren't getting the benefit of the doubt or a pass when you are constantly harassing the ref like that all game.

Third red was just stupid on the Lazio players part. Literally just lost his head and punched out.



Would like to point out that Pulisic caused 2 of those red cards. That man knows how to bring the Concacaf style to europe lol
 
LMAO at what just happened in Valencia/Real Madrid. Ref giving way too much extra time to try to allow Madrid to score. 99th minute, Real have a corner and score, but apparently the ref blew the final whistle as Madrid was kicking the corner. Get fucked, VARdrid.

That was one hell of a retarded decision, holy shit. Almeria sends their regards. Madrid fans can fuck off with their seething.
 
LMAO at what just happened in Valencia/Real Madrid. Ref giving way too much extra time to try to allow Madrid to score. 99th minute, Real have a corner and score, but apparently the ref blew the final whistle as Madrid was kicking the corner. Get fucked, VARdrid.
Usually over the course of the season, bad calls normally even out. They normally aren't this obviously bad though. Sucks that Almeria couldn't get it
 
@Onni Kalsarikännit just saw the highlights and i gotta say i dont disagree with any of the cards.

milan got under lazio's skin and they couldnt compose themselves.

the offside was a bit whatever and as for penalties i dont even bother trying to figure out what is or isnt one anymore because it seems to change from game to game ref to ref within the samw day sometimes
 
If you haven't seen it go and get a recap of Darmstadt vs Augsburg.

Darmstadt was so bad Augsburg hat a 5:0 lead after 30 minutes. After the match the whole Darmstadt team plus coaching staff went to their fans and one of their ultras gave them one hell of a speech for their abyssmal match and they just took it.

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Massive road win for Bologna in Serie A yesterday. They beat Atalanta to keep themselves 4 points clear of Roma for a champions league spot. They host Inter next, so that will be a big test.
 
If you haven't seen it go and get a recap of Darmstadt vs Augsburg.

Darmstadt was so bad Augsburg hat a 5:0 lead after 30 minutes. After the match the whole Darmstadt team plus coaching staff went to their fans and one of their ultras gave them one hell of a speech for their abyssmal match and they just took it.

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Dude means business haha

Arsenal busy battering Sheffield United. Such a good team, I am shocked they aren't top of the table.
 
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