🦊 Furry Furry Convention Drama - Because you can't have a couple thousand dog fucking enthusiasts under the same roof without shit hitting the fan

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Can’t blame em, not much going on in the convention sphere. Don’t worry BLFC is next week!

Also Further Confusion, a con in San Jose California, has switched over to a lottery system for room selection instead of first come first serve. Before the first names could be pulled for rooms their main hotel the Marriott (or the most popular one, there are two convention space hotels) is already booked out.
Is this because of their inability to negotiate a suitable contract, or hotel issues? Nobody knows, but they’re blaming it on vendors and staff booking being more “robust” than usual.
I was going to say, has to be staff/dealer booking. They got in beforehand.
 
I was going to say, has to be staff/dealer booking. They got in beforehand.
Yeah, right, but is this due to a decreased bloc size or something else? It wasn’t an issue before.
Either way I imagine it’s probably pretty frustrating if you wanted a room in the Marriott.
 
Yeah, right, but is this due to a decreased bloc size or something else? It wasn’t an issue before.
You know what else wasn't an issue before? COVID. Being "sold out" is a great excuse to push vendors and staff's friends over the hoi polloi of unknowns and/or right wingers.

Call me schizo, but something stinks here, more than furries usually do.
 
Yeah, right, but is this due to a decreased bloc size or something else? It wasn’t an issue before.
Either way I imagine it’s probably pretty frustrating if you wanted a room in the Marriott.
I think you kind of answered your own question. Nobody wanted to be in the room lottery because that's kind of bullshit, so everyone that could, booked, and plenty of people who knew people who could get in early worked their connections.
 
Call me schizo, but something stinks here, more than furries usually do.
I think it's less conspiracy and more due to the sudden growth of some conventions, as I've seen some similar concerns with Anthrocon.

According to wikifur, AC 2022 had about 9,702 reported attendees, and AC 2023 jumped up to 13,644. That's an increase of over 40% (the biggest jump in the convention's history) and a massive surge in people who need rooms for the convention, so it's not unreasonable to assume 2024 will have even more attendees and even more demand for rooms. If Anthrocon keeps growing the way it is, they will most likely be forced into doing a similar lottery system within the next five years, tops.

A concern I've seen in some furry discussions is that Anthrocon actually put hard limits on the number of people who can supersponsor for 2024. Not only does that cost $300 (regular registration is $65 for comparison) but one of the perks of shelling out the extra money is early access to the online registration for booking a room. The most impressive thing is that furries already bought all these supersponsor slots within 48 hours of them going live.

Everyone else essentially has to rush onto the online hotel booking website as soon as the hotel block opens, and last year it was loaded with technical issues and people unable to book rooms. And even then, it all sold out within an hour of the website opening. Expect some massive salt come February 2024, when AC's hotel block opens to the general public and furries get locked out of being able to book a room.
 
I recall Carl Avery Babbit claiming that Infantilism has actually existed throughout history and we simply haven't been perceptive to it. This statement is - on the surface - quite ridiculous but then I have flashbacks to history lessons on Edwardian(? Victorian(?)) parties where they'd all pretend to be schoolchildren in a nursery. That strange sex cult that made a bunch of ZX Spectrum games. Hmm. Maybe it was just a UK thing...
I seem to vaguely remember a random record of a roman general being shamed before the Senate for acting a child and being doted on by his wife as if he was a baby. They were basically arguing that he wasn't just a failure as a man, but a failure to be an adult. I think it was part of a campaign to strip him of command for political reasons. It was republic era IIRC, but I can't find it after about 40 minutes and can't remember more than that. So if my memory isn't made out of madness and falsehoods that puts this shit all the way back to the Roman Republic.

Weird sex cults are nothing new, my favourite weird one to point at is Pythagoras had one, as in he was the deity of his own weird sex cult. There's some weird records concerning his fetishes as a result.

Humans have always been weird. The only difference between now and then is the Internet helps them connect, be visible, and more easily recruit others.
Holy shit you guys are putting way to much thought into this past “eww, gross.”
We'll move on once the cons do a funny again.
According to wikifur, AC 2022 had about 9,702 reported attendees, and AC 2023 jumped up to 13,644. That's an increase of over 40% (the biggest jump in the convention's history) and a massive surge in people who need rooms for the convention, so it's not unreasonable to assume 2024 will have even more attendees and even more demand for rooms. If Anthrocon keeps growing the way it is, they will most likely be forced into doing a similar lottery system within the next five years, tops.
That's a notable amount of growth. Barely over 40.63% to show you're not rounding down by a significant margin, but I'm going to point out that rounds to a 41%, and considering the growing amount of troons among furries that's a joke that writes itself.

I'd love to see more data on room count, prices at location and nearby, how big the block is each year and see if they slammed into a hotel enforced hard limit or if there might be competing reasons that are restricting room availability and keeping block size down.
 
According to wikifur, AC 2022 had about 9,702 reported attendees, and AC 2023 jumped up to 13,644. That's an increase of over 40% (the biggest jump in the convention's history) and a massive surge in people who need rooms for the convention, so it's not unreasonable to assume 2024 will have even more attendees and even more demand for rooms. If Anthrocon keeps growing the way it is, they will most likely be forced into doing a similar lottery system within the next five years, tops.
That's... frankly quite impressive. What happened there? Anthrocon is huge, of course, but that kind of jump usually only happens when there's either something new about the convention, or if someone else (or everybody else) fucked up and the convention in question is the only one left standing.

Weird sex cults are nothing new, my favourite weird one to point at is Pythagoras had one, as in he was the deity of his own weird sex cult. There's some weird records concerning his fetishes as a result.

Humans have always been weird. The only difference between now and then is the Internet helps them connect, be visible, and more easily recruit others.
That old meme remains relevant:

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Not to do the usual, boring "the internet was a mistake" spiel, but yeah. Weirdos have always existed. The human brain is a stupidly complex machine and everybody has some crossed wires here and there. Societal pressure and cultural standards do a good job of keeping most people on the relatively straight and narrow, but once someone joins a more permissive social group the peer pressure starts pushing in a different direction and that's very hard to ignore to your average sped just looking for acceptance. I've witnessed far too many people (both online and unfortunately also in real life) starting out as seemingly perfectly normal and just descending into barely functional degeneracy and kinkery because they joined a new "friends' group".
 
Can't quote-reply to the last couple of long form posts discussing why the cons are suddenly having their hotels sell out so quickly the last year, but for extra perspective, Furry Weekend Atlanta also had a tremendous boost in attendance this past year versus last year and even pre-COVID. FWA 2022 had 7,212 attendees and 2023 had 10,328, making it the current bronze medal after Anthrocon and Midwest.

On a similar note, Furpocalypse is later this weekend in Stamford, CT. The hotel sold out fast enough that they have an overflow hotel arrangement, which can be taken as a sign that even more mid-size conventions are starting to gain traction after the coof era.
 
What happened there?
My theory: Furries were all fucking scaredycats about the coof, and/or didn't want to put up with the restrictions. Whether you believe the safety narrative or not, running around a con double masked (weren't some cons requiring this?) kinda takes the fun out of it.

That old meme remains relevant:
>Serbposting
>Biting truth about the internet
When was Josh posting on 4chan?
 
If I had to guess, I think it is mostly because online cons gave a lot more people a "taste" of conventions. There were probably thousands of people who were on the fence about attending a con, got to "attend" one when they were online during coof-years, and now are sold on the idea of doing that but in real life.

Plus, coof-era gave people tons of time online to meet other people. Best way to meet up with those new friends? Convention.
 
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what the fuck
I was reentering posts manually to get around it
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I'd love to see more data on room count, prices at location and nearby, how big the block is each year and see if they slammed into a hotel enforced hard limit or if there might be competing reasons that are restricting room availability and keeping block size down.
Anthrocon has not yet capped out on potential hotel partners that can be contacted for contracts. They most likely have not booked out all rooms at any hotels other than their flagship, which is effectively theirs from floor to roof for the duration. Kage gets insanely aggressive about the attendees cleaning up after themselves, and not leaving behind disasters in the hotel rooms. Whatever he does, it seems to work to some degree, because the convention continues to be able to get hotel contracts and bigger room blocks.
 
Anthrocon has not yet capped out on potential hotel partners that can be contacted for contracts. They most likely have not booked out all rooms at any hotels other than their flagship, which is effectively theirs from floor to roof for the duration. Kage gets insanely aggressive about the attendees cleaning up after themselves, and not leaving behind disasters in the hotel rooms. Whatever he does, it seems to work to some degree, because the convention continues to be able to get hotel contracts and bigger room blocks.

If Anthrocon was like the Muppet Show, than Kage would be like Kermit, because he's the glue that holds that entire scene together, and compared to the rest of the characters around him, always looks like the most sane and rational one in the group.
 
If I had to guess, I think it is mostly because online cons gave a lot more people a "taste" of conventions. There were probably thousands of people who were on the fence about attending a con, got to "attend" one when they were online during coof-years, and now are sold on the idea of doing that but in real life.

Plus, coof-era gave people tons of time online to meet other people. Best way to meet up with those new friends? Convention.
Online cons are an fascinating thing to see because IRL cons for some are out of their price range.
 
Online cons are an fascinating thing to see because IRL cons for some are out of their price range.
Haven't seen or heard of too many online cons in general lately, though. Not since everything opened back up and people are, for the most part, operating how they were pre-2020. Was at a convention (not furry) recently and it was rather surprising to see just how many people were there and acting as if the last 2-3 years never happened.

I think they will eventually peter out within the next 2-3 years as demand for them diminishes and/or the convention organizers feel it's more a money/resource sink that could be better utilized elsewhere.
 
Makes sense since so many are indeed in IT/Networking. Those are some of the most miserable I've encountered. If they hate their job but can't switch to a better one, find some hobbies that don't exclusively involve watching netflix/youtube and playing steam games. Those aren't proper hobbies, anyway.

Sometimes I think there’s some kind of bias making it seem like all furries and troons work in tech. I think the ones that work in tech are able to indulge in their shit more often, and they’re able to uncloset because of how the tech industry tolerates them.

Meanwhile a furry who works at like McDonalds or Amazon has to just crank it to shit from /gfur/ on 4chan.
 
Sometimes I think there’s some kind of bias making it seem like all furries and troons work in tech. I think the ones that work in tech are able to indulge in their shit more often, and they’re able to uncloset because of how the tech industry tolerates them.

Meanwhile a furry who works at like McDonalds or Amazon has to just crank it to shit from /gfur/ on 4chan.
If you're going to get a white collar job as the type of furry who goes to conventions, it's almost certainly going to be in tech given that tech doesn't require any human interaction to be successful at (reducing the importance of social skills and the likelihood of sexual harassment lawsuits). There are probably marketer furries and lawyer furries and the like, but those people are at least high-functioning enough to pretend to be normal most of the time to keep their jobs, therefore reducing the likelihood that they'd be the convention type.
 
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