🦊 Furry Furry Convention Drama - Because you can't have a couple thousand dog fucking enthusiasts under the same roof without shit hitting the fan

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Urban Sombrero said:
On the one hand, Denfur & Eurofurence are being pressured by the loud bitching of their peanut gallery to cut ties with Pepper Coyote because they don't like his political stances
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ah, so it straight up is just for being a tankie.

pepper may be mediocre & insufferable but this is a lame precedent. literal german nazis attend EF.

if only someone would make a furry con that didn't do pussy banlists, one that's free for all to attend.
 
Heheh, hahahaha, maybe I do belong in the furry fandom. How does one become a furry? Pepper Coyote, as far as I know them, is a leftist, is a socialist/communist, and went to a conference that aligns with leftist values? Furries, the most virtue signaling shit stains on planet Earth cry foul.

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Absurdist Laughter said:
Pepper Coyote, as far as I know them, is a leftist, is a socialist/communist, and went to a conference that aligns with leftist values? Furries, the most virtue signaling shit stains on planet Earth cry foul.
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On paper, the furry 'leftist' zeitgeist is to be a anarcho-socialist, which does strongly oppose the state communism Pepper is fond of.

But that's not the actual thing at play here; as supposed furry anarchists are also massive hypocrites, calling for the state to step in on trans rights or gun control or UBI or w/e, and regurgitate liberal-democrat statist talking points regularly. By virtue of being furries they are also deeply immersed in a culture of consoomerism that is often dependent on slave labor in places like china to make plastic fur fabric & collectible junk. The cognitive dissonance is pervasive.

What's actually at play is 'russia bad!!' without much thought beyond that, coupled with the unending witch-hunting thirst for blood that has become a prominent part of furry culture. Support Ukraine is the current slogan & furries are easily susceptible to social contagions. It doesn't matter that Ukraine loathes gays just as much as Russia does; as they're currently the 'good guys.' Pepper having any association at all to a pro-russian sentiment is thus anathema.
 
Urban Sombrero said:
A new convention is starting up in...
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...LAS VEGAS?!

https://twitter.com/LasVegasFurCon/status/1557381255376912390
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Oh, lovely. Unlike Harvest Moon Woke Fest, they seem to have their shit together already...

Oh wait...no, no they don't. They're following directly in the footsteps of a con that hasn't even started yet:

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So let me get this straight...you don't have even a name for this convention, but you know it's gotta have a troon running the show? And it's gotta be in one of the most expensive convention locations in the country?

Holy shit, these priorities. Rev up your popcorn machines, boyos, this is bound to be one entertaining show.
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This is doomed to fail, as is the SECOND Las Vegas furry con to be announced this week.

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Neither of these will be able to be remotely close to the whole point of why people go to Vegas (The Strip) and fail harder than Sin City Murr Con did. Las Vegas Fur Con already announced that there will be no room parties and no more than 4 people allowed in a room.
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I'd be surprised if either of these actually happens.
 
Furry Troon said:
On paper, the furry 'leftist' zeitgeist is to be a anarcho-socialist, which does strongly oppose the state communism Pepper is fond of.

But that's not the actual thing at play here; as supposed furry anarchists are also massive hypocrites, calling for the state to step in on trans rights or gun control or UBI or w/e, and regurgitate liberal-democrat statist talking points regularly. By virtue of being furries they are also deeply immersed in a culture of consoomerism that is often dependent on slave labor in places like china to make plastic fur fabric & collectible junk. The cognitive dissonance is pervasive.

What's actually at play is 'russia bad!!' without much thought beyond that, coupled with the unending witch-hunting thirst for blood that has become a prominent part of furry culture. Support Ukraine is the current slogan & furries are easily susceptible to social contagions. It doesn't matter that Ukraine loathes gays just as much as Russia does; as they're currently the 'good guys.' Pepper having any association at all to a pro-russian sentiment is thus anathema.
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it runs deeper than that, the "Russia bad!!!!!!!!!!" is based on the theory about Russia's supposed fascism, which more or less is based on speeches done by Putin to "unite russian people", and articles about his love of tsarist Russia (was better than the horrors under the henchmen of Stalin like Beria) and because they invaded, they are inherently being aggressors by invading. However Russia had no choice, it couldn't get geopolitically pushed away from Crimea, so Russia forced its hand. Plus Russia is slowly winning despite what everyone says, Ukrainians admit they are outnumbered 10-1 artillery-wise (and have been for months now with no end in sight of the shelling).

All of it is based on "support current thing" twisted into their own little anarcho-leftist ideal by a group of men put on pedestals despite having at most half-arsed degrees and being really autistic about specific things. It is not very special anyway, they act different but would have been the pinnacle of Tumblr users in 2015. And now they are a part of some weird castrated "we are empathetic" and "we hate authority" leftism like their previous successors but so far detached that actual true "punk" and "leftism" are long dead. It's all just a giant shitfit because they had supported him for years, giving him money, treating him on a high pedestal. Now, your mad he doesn't align with a specific thing, I even saw many come out just now to say "oh he's bad here what others did" because it is morally acceptable now to be a snake or bully him.

You did this, all of you were complicit. Own up to being a fucking snake, faggot.
 
who dare wins? said:
it runs deeper than that, the "Russia bad!!!!!!!!!!" is based on the theory about Russia's supposed fascism, which more or less is based on speeches done by Putin to "unite russian people", and articles about his love of tsarist Russia (was better than the horrors under the henchmen of Stalin like Beria) and because they invaded, they are inherently being aggressors by invading. However Russia had no choice, it couldn't get geopolitically pushed away from Crimea, so Russia forced its hand. Plus Russia is slowly winning despite what everyone says, Ukrainians admit they are outnumbered 10-1 artillery-wise (and have been for months now with no end in sight of the shelling).

All of it is based on "support current thing" twisted into their own little anarcho-leftist ideal by a group of men put on pedestals despite having at most half-arsed degrees and being really autistic about specific things. It is not very special anyway, they act different but would have been the pinnacle of Tumblr users in 2015. And now they are a part of some weird castrated "we are empathetic" and "we hate authority" leftism like their previous successors but so far detached that actual true "punk" and "leftism" are long dead. It's all just a giant shitfit because they had supported him for years, giving him money, treating him on a high pedestal. Now, your mad he doesn't align with a specific thing, I even saw many come out just now to say "oh he's bad here what others did" because it is morally acceptable now to be a snake or bully him.

You did this, all of you were complicit. Own up to being a fucking snake, faggot.
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The problem in general is most furries are snakes in the grass. They will happily pretend to be your friends until the moment it's no longer useful then you're being thrown under the bus for not being progressive enough. Even Jinn/RetroYote is getting shit on despite him wanting to live in a fantasy world where plushies are molested by him.
 
There's an anti-police brutality protest happening at DenFur's front door tonight:
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Now furries are bickering with each other in the comments about whether or not to join in.

Fucking DenFur, man...what a fucking embarrassment.
 
And it's DenFur again having to tell people to cool it on the degeneracy: IMG_20220821_115956_419.jpg Tweet | Archive

I can't tell if this was typed up by some staffer drunk on booze and whippets at 3am or if they're actually serious.
 
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So I was on Nomadicon's site, I wanted to see who else they added to their ban list. They've removed the Google sheets link and made it so you have to request access. I guess they were getting flack for it

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Urban Sombrero said:
And it's DenFur again having to tell people to cool it on the degeneracy:View attachment 3628570 Tweet | Archive

I can't tell if this was typed up by some staffer drunk on booze and whippets at 3am or if they're actually serious.
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In case anyone would like some details as to exactly what was going on that prompted this message:
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I will grant that group B is worse, but it's amazing to me that this person things group A is just fine. Walking around in full latex suits is totally normal guys, there's no reason anyone should complain about that.

Seems like the hotel is not a fan of what's going on this year, and the con is doing nothing more than sending out weak tweets to try and make people behave. (The unprofessional tone of the tweets makes it seem like they don't actually care. My headcanon is that these tweets are sent out offhandedly from a staff member's phone while they're in the middle of doing exactly the thing that the tweets say not to do.)
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A common thing at con pools I'm sure, but presented as an example of "enforcement by tweet" policy. I've heard as well that the mask rules are just being blatantly ignored, but I don't have a source at hand.

In general I'm seeing a lot of disapproval of the new leadership for DenFur. I have seen, and personally know, multiple people from quite different sides of the culture war who boycotted DenFur this year for various reasons. There is drama around their charities as well. The trans crowd is upset with DenFur because of some Telegram channel drama from months ago, and the primary charity isn't the Tranch this year. Perhaps in an attempt at damage control, DenFur now has three official charities, the last of which was haphazardly added during the middle of the con.
Charity #2:
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Claim: Free Fur All had 80 attendees or less.
Evidence: The official number is 207 and I "heard that was a lie."

If that's not rock solid proof, I don't know what is.
 
zRayden940 said:
So I was on Nomadicon's site, I wanted to see who else they added to their ban list. They've removed the Google sheets link and made it so you have to request access. I guess they were getting flack for it

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Yeah, that seems about right, they probably got criticized for having a public list. Their "transparency" page added this section to it.
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However, something else caught my attention. I just noticed that the blog posts were written by a "Razeth"
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I thought that name looked familiar. Turns out this guy worked for CCFC. From what I've been told in my research, most (if not all) of the DJs who played at the dances were also staff in some capacity. In fact, the FB page for the convention is still online and has a flyer up that mentions Razeth.
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If nothing else, this explains why Matthew/Nitro/Spark/(whatever sockpuppet he's using now) was on the public ban list.
 
Given the incompetence and general headassery going on with DenFur, I have to wonder how long until someone makes a direct competi...OHH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT.

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You cannot convince me otherwise that this isn't run by ex-DenFur staff who feel the current con is "Fash and anti-trans".
 
Digital Style said:
Given the incompetence and general headassery going on with DenFur, I have to wonder how long until someone makes a direct competi...OHH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT.

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You cannot convince me otherwise that this isn't run by ex-DenFur staff who feel the current con is "Fash and anti-trans".
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Given that DenFur is also run by a multi-con managing organization (AEIOU, formerly Corgi Events), it was only a matter of time before someone stepped up like “We should have local control of the event!”

Their timeline for first-con is rather reasonable, all things considered (looking at 2024 for their first event). But it would be beneficial to their community to have some kind of road map/planning documentation that’s public. There are a lot of events spinning up right now, and 90% of them just sound like “Let’s make our OWN con! With hookers and black jack!”
 
Digital Style said:
Given the incompetence and general headassery going on with DenFur, I have to wonder how long until someone makes a direct competi...OHH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT.

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You cannot convince me otherwise that this isn't run by ex-DenFur staff who feel the current con is "Fash and anti-trans".
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Maybe that's the case or maybe someone just hates how denfur is run. Honestly I'm waiting for the stupidity to come out first.
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In case anyone would like some details as to exactly what was going on that prompted this message:
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I will grant that group B is worse, but it's amazing to me that this person things group A is just fine. Walking around in full latex suits is totally normal guys, there's no reason anyone should complain about that.

Seems like the hotel is not a fan of what's going on this year, and the con is doing nothing more than sending out weak tweets to try and make people behave. (The unprofessional tone of the tweets makes it seem like they don't actually care. My headcanon is that these tweets are sent out offhandedly from a staff member's phone while they're in the middle of doing exactly the thing that the tweets say not to do.)
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A common thing at con pools I'm sure, but presented as an example of "enforcement by tweet" policy. I've heard as well that the mask rules are just being blatantly ignored, but I don't have a source at hand.

In general I'm seeing a lot of disapproval of the new leadership for DenFur. I have seen, and personally know, multiple people from quite different sides of the culture war who boycotted DenFur this year for various reasons. There is drama around their charities as well. The trans crowd is upset with DenFur because of some Telegram channel drama from months ago, and the primary charity isn't the Tranch this year. Perhaps in an attempt at damage control, DenFur now has three official charities, the last of which was haphazardly added during the middle of the con.
Charity #2:
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Charity #3:
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Claim: Free Fur All had 80 attendees or less.
Evidence: The official number is 207 and I "heard that was a lie."

If that's not rock solid proof, I don't know what is.
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I am still laughing at the fact some people thought it was funny to put up posters of chick FIL a in a hotel room. The fact people think this is a "literal hate crime" have never had any sort of friends or relationships where friends pranked each other.
 
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