Orbiter Fred Fuchs / Freddy Boy - DSP-log who ended up surpassing Phil as a lolcow. The sok proved phil right. Fuched on Kiwi.

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I just want to give my perspective ... The "Charismatic leader through intimidation in fear" narrative is incorrect imo ... I don't think Fred is charismatic or intimidating at all ... he is a clown .. I think the "us vs them" narrative is more accurate ..it was a team with one member doing really fucked up shit compared to to others ..he was there 24/7 while most of us had lives ...we did some fucked up shit but Fred did the worst ..its that simple

Detractress said:
I dont hold harmless any member of SoK for what was done in the past. From the doxing to the paranoid behaviour to "ops" to take down competition for Fred. However who was running the show is what makes me more willing to forgive those who were a part of these campaigns. When someone is a charismatic leader who leads with intimidation and fear, if someone was afraid of being doxed or having ops run on them if they stepped out of line, then that's not a willing action. That's a coerced action to me. That's why I'm cautiously forgiving those who were a part of SoK and are now coming forward.
I was foolish enough to post that I forgave Fred. I didnt want to believe either that he was as much of a dirtbag that he has been proven to be. As more information came available, my willingness to forgive disappeared.
I'm still cautious of those who have apologized who were recent members of SoK. If it was someone who was involved 2 years ago, then I'm more willing to say "hey, you were a dickhole before but your actions have proven that you've got little motivation to shield yourself now" But Fred's apology and later Fizz's read the same way. Almost as if Fred was still calling the shots on Fizz. The "hey I was a jerk before, but I'm learning and will be a better person" story. The scorched earth that's been going on with everything that was the SoK by Fred seems absolutely bizarre. The endures had nothing to do with what he was doing that was dickish.
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Che said:
I just want to give my perspective ... The "Charismatic leader through intimidation in fear" narrative is incorrect imo ... I don't think Fred is charismatic or intimidating at all ... he is a clown .. I think the "us vs them" narrative is more accurate ..it was a team with one member doing really fucked up shit compared to to others ..he was there 24/7 while most of us had lives ...we did some fucked up shit but Fred did the worst ..its that simple
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Easily he did, I'm still shocked how members could take him seriously with all the things he said, that's the part that gets me with the exmembers, they can laugh all they want now but they bought into all his idiocy and took it seriously. No one is worse than Fred though and I don't think anyone really thinks that without being biased.
 
SwattedKat said:
You either die a an hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the lolcow.
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live by the sword and you die on the sword is which the sok has become, sadly fred will think he can come back but there is no move for him in the dsp community he might as well just run away somewhere else but people will know if he attempts to run out of the rug.
 
I can't help but wonder if Fred kept tabs on his allies as neurotically as he did with his enemies. It's a pretty safe bet that he's privy to all sorts of dirt on his fellow SOK members, what with being the leader and all.

Shame he won't grow a pair and take his lumps like the rest of us. I'd love to hear his side of the story.
 
Feel free to :late: this, but I was wondering if we've heard from eviltable or torres about this stuff? As for prideful, she was a fangirl for SoK since what, the Let's Endure of L.A. Noire? I seem to remember Fred mentioning her in that. God, I've watched too many Let's Endures...I think I'll watch some Soma Julius Cruz or Vault Boy to detox.
 
Che I respect what you do, so I do say this from a place of love and respect.

Charisma doesnt need to be the charming man or social butterfly. Sometimes its just the loudest person in the room. I know noone wants to be branded a "follower" but there are those who are natural leaders and those who are natural followers. And sometimes those natural followers will simply follow the loudest voice in the room as long as their root purpose unites them. Fred was a pretty loud voice. He was not a natural leader. He wanted to lead. He was one of those who truly feared being branded a follower. (thus him coveting being the next Metokur) And he waivered whenever there was a louder voice in the room. Just from the endures I watched, I can only speculate on what went on behind closed doors. But when Fred was confronted with a stronger personality, he got chatty, as if he stopped talking for one moment his power would wane. He got louder, as if fearing his voice would no longer be heard. He was a weak leader made strong by people who wanted to believe him. He mimicked the mannerisms of stronger personalities in an attempt to become them. He practiced this. He divided and conquered those in the group. He would speak one on one with people in order to keep people in line but confused as to the group. I can only imagine those one on one conversations went something like

Hey PersonX, I really like you, a lot. You're awesome and amazing.
Hey PersonY, I really like you a lot, you're awesome and amazing. Not like person X who is a jerk
Hey PersonZ, I really like you a lot, you're awesome and amazing. You're the only one I can trust with this information.

In terms of intimidation, I think the threat of doxxing was his intimidation trump card. Go against the group and you'd be doxxed. Your presence online would be publicly mocked and humiliated. You'd be exposed for doing something in the name of Fred. And if the chorus of voices followed Fred in saying something negative, who would most people believe? The target saying "I didnt say that, those are doctored logs" vs multiple people saying "look at this person's logs, they're a horrible person"

None of this made Fred a "good" leader. But it made him the only one the group had. As members were swapped out, the new members hardly knew the history of the group, but knew who the leader was.

This doesnt excuse the actions of the group though. Everyone is capable of independent thought though in a group it is difficult to not become a hive mind.

As an outsider looking in, someone who consumed the content and knew nothing of the individuals outside of the content they provided, all I saw the group was one united by being detractors of Phil. I wasnt the biggest fan of Fred himself because he seemed to jump to unfounded conclusions and preached them as gospel, and would clown on those who disagreed with his conclusions.

I actually stopped liking Fred himself was during the Laveria incident. The individuals who were giving all of this "insider information" on MCNs, and the one girl who was "Youtube certified" providing information again as gospel without verification of this information. The information that was given was nothing that couldnt have been gleaned from a basic google search. But it was being presented from a presumption of authority. This pair of college students were an MCN and speaking from a place of authority like they were the owners of Curse or Machinima. I was just incredibly skeptical about that whole interchange. I didnt doubt that Phil was with Laveria. I was just skeptical that these people presented were as knowledgeable as they were represented to be.
 
A Question for the former SoK members. I'm sorry if this has been said before but I did read a good many pages back.

Did Fred ever approach you guys one on one with dirt on other members? I.e, did he ever come to you and say "hey I know you are cool with this guy but look at what he said about you here, I got proof dude!"
 
So I never really got around to mentioning this, but Fred also tried to talk me into shit too. I admit there are times when I get pretty pissed at video games. Anyone from the group could confirm that. Usually people found it funny, and I found it embarrassing. Well Fred found it so funny he literally tried to talk me into buying crack and smoking it on air while playing Dark Souls because he thought it would be hilarious to see me in a drug induced rage. It was a very uncomfortable thing cause he'd bring it up every day and how he was going to call it Kama on crack, and some of the others even parroted Fred and tried to encourage it as well. I'm really glad I didn't do that shit TBH. Friends who respect you wouldn't do that shit, or maybe they would suggest it but they wouldn't be persistent about it in a way that came off dead fucking serious.
 
Kamatsubu said:
So I never really got around to mentioning this, but Fred also tried to talk me into shit too. I admit there are times when I get pretty pissed at video games. Anyone from the group could confirm that. Usually people found it funny, and I found it embarrassing. Well Fred found it so funny he literally tried to talk me into buying crack and smoking it on air while playing Dark Souls because he thought it would be hilarious to see me in a drug induced rage. It was a very uncomfortable thing cause he'd bring it up every day and how he was going to call it Kama on crack, and some of the others even parroted Fred and tried to encourage it as well. I'm really glad I didn't do that shit TBH. Friends who respect you wouldn't do that shit, or maybe they would suggest it but they wouldn't be persistent about it in a way that came off dead fucking serious.
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If you did that, you'd probably have your own thread here.
 
This thread got boring as soon as SoK showed up en mass, suddenly its like a boring as fuck group therapy session.
 
OgreSan said:
A Question for the former SoK members. I'm sorry if this has been said before but I did read a good many pages back.

Did Fred ever approach you guys one on one with dirt on other members? I.e, did he ever come to you and say "hey I know you are cool with this guy but look at what he said about you here, I got proof dude!"
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Fred only approached those with seniority status and sucked up a lot to the senior members to get what he wanted and those he knew he can gain leverage with. Imagine knowing those who are prone to be easily trustable types of people and then exploiting that for your own gain, he knew how to put on a certain face and i could tell it was forced due to him not talking much about his life or himself even though he claims to be transparent about everything.

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This thread got boring as soon as SoK showed up en mass, suddenly its like a boring as fuck group therapy session.
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Kind of agree it needs to be about the topic at hand and the lolcow not so much about the group itself. the SOK thread is more for that than the Fred Fuchs thread here.
 
So hey everybody I'm about to be a complete asshole ahah,

To all ex sok members, as you know I've been going around asking you guys what you did on twitter and seeing how much you guys would admit to, I fucked around acting like a nice guy saying good job for apologizing even though most of you never went into detail, in fact I can count maybe five of you who actually went into detail with what you did.

See, after all the streams and "twitlongers"(god fucking damn the twitlongers, aka the most insincere way to apologize ever) where you guys bury all the shit on Fred, make fun of him, laugh at the door shit, go on and on about how fucked up and stupid he is while saying nothing about how fucked up and stupid you were. He may be the worst but I want you all to remember this.

None of you should be happy and chill considering you guys were all going to let him get away with this had we not stepped in. I'm going to be brutally honest, learning the shit you guys said about Fred, you need to remember that you went along with it, you took all of it seriously, and you guys were sticking together until the end. Throughout all the leaks the only ones who get a pass are Che ren and moogle, they stepped up and said shit first and owned up to it, especially
Moogle considering he was still in the group. However moogle that livestream you had was circlejerking to the fucking extreme and the members involved completely invalidated the apologies they made.

Like I said I don't believe the majority of you are completely sorry, I mean why should you? None of the leaks were about you so you release shit about Fred but strategically keep out anything to do with you. I want you all to keep in mind that Fred is a total bitch but you guys were his bitch. He had you guys in the palm of his hands doing whatever he wanted until he got tired of you and any fucked up shit that would happen none of you would say anything, and if someone did say something you all would gang up on them and ruin that persons reputation.

People like txt and pol, you all knew that shit was happening, and none of you did a damn thing about it, it took a random nobody to call the sok lame to save txt from the usual shit you guys did to people. Then on top of that you all sat there and watched Fred blame pascal for the drama when fizz and evilaj also said shit to txt. None of you could stand up to the guy, this dumbass who couldn't even show his own face. You want to act like he was the only one taking things too far but you all went along with every crazy thing he did. How none of you thought the four room shit was weird, voting to kick members, lying on a podcast so he can pretend to be late, all the doxing, the situations with ardnas and divas, overreacting to a fucking Ed page, yeah you all fucking did stupid shit like that or at the least were fine going along with stupid shit like that, and you know why? because you all were equally as into it as he was, don't pretend like you weren't.

You were keeping quiet during the leaks and ignoring it hoping it would go away despite us showing all these fucked up things that were going on at first and you guys were ready to kick pascal out had it not advanced any further. My point is you guys need to shut the fuck up and remember that you guys have nothing to be proud of right now. Not even the ones who are legitimately owning up to it, people like Che and loophole who were emotional and hating themselves for what they did, they are people who are sorry and a couple more but none of them are acting like this is a great moment. Yeah congrats you all came back together and I'm happy for you guys but you are all fucking idiots for letting this stupid shit be the cause of the split in the first place.

None of you were saints, you all can keep blaming Fred all you want but at the end of the day you guys have no one to blame but yourselves for why the group turned out this way, Fred could have easily been kicked out at anytime if you all "really" thought that he was the main problem, but none of you did, because none of you had a problem with him up until this came up.

You all at the end of the day were a bunch of followers, and you would have kept following Fred for years to come unless he himself wanted you out.

I don't really care either way if you guys are sorry or not, I went around to help give people that extra push needed to admit shit and a couple did but most of you didn't. I wanted to see who was really sincere so I could find out which of you are no better than Fred cause just like you guys did with dsp I enjoy calling people out on bullshit.

Also to the mods and @Null please don't ban people unless they really are going over the top, I don't want a one sided thread where no one protects Fred because the people that do are hilarious.
 
OgreSan said:
A Question for the former SoK members. I'm sorry if this has been said before but I did read a good many pages back.

Did Fred ever approach you guys one on one with dirt on other members? I.e, did he ever come to you and say "hey I know you are cool with this guy but look at what he said about you here, I got proof dude!"
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Actually yeah. Quite a lot. Mostly on who he believed was spying for who, or to just talk shit about certain people in the group that he was 100% sure were working for someone else like Ren or Che. He was extremely paranoid and suspicious of everyone. Sometimes I even fell for it too, and sometimes I even helped Fred dig for shit because I trusted Fred's judgment over my own. After all he would claim that I'm a complete idiot who didn't know how to read people... Well he's mostly right I do have a hard time reading people so I left it up to Fred while doing whatever grunt work he wanted me to do. Mostly just pointing out parts of conversations he deemed interesting. Eventually an incident with Che that was totally my fault by the way woke me up to the monster I was becoming by listening to Fred and trusting him too much. That led to so many fights where we would spend up to 3 hours screaming at each other in a private call about how I was so sick of him and his shit and where he'd basically say that I could never do anything right. Fred really didn't like how honest I was with people, nor did he like how I wasn't good at pretending nothing was going on when it was clear that there was. I'm still not good at it but I think that being around certain people in the SoK did help me learn how to read people a little better than I used too.
 
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