Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?

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Balr0g said:
I kind of feel like we are going back in time when the aerodynamics were so fragilke you coudln't keep your car behind the frontrunner less you loose all stability. That or Perez simply had a less draggy setup. Hamilton couldn't overtake Perez either despite being faster and having DRS all the time
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Coccxys said:
We've had thay since about race 3 of 2022. The commentators like to pretend the new rules solved all problems in the sport but they just made the 1.5 gap into a 1.2 gap, now with added DRS trains.

There's some retarding going around about maybe if we increase DRS to 1.5 it will give overtaking. Which obviously it won't as it doesn't currently when they're 0.9 behind and it would make DRS trains worse and the Sainz singapour strategy the go to.
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I read an opinion piece some time ago called make racing great again or something like that. The author basically blamed the ever growing complexity of aero for the lack of overtaking, and suggested that less aero = longer braking zones would do wonders for overtaking. Then to make up for less downforce with a stronger engine.

I fail to see how that would be different from what we had in the past when aero wasn't as complex as it is today. Isn't overtaking or a lack thereof more an issue with car size and track layout?
 
One also has to remember that these current drivers are not encouraged to take risks because the worst that can happen can really screw over a team compared to a single win's potential benefit. DRS has been somewhat beneficial for competition but these days, you can't really pull off those defensive masterclasses like the racers of old could do. People focus too much on overtakes as a statistical phenomena where more = better. Practically, people want to see a hard-fought daring overtake for first than guys just zooming past each other on a straight where the guy ahead has no answer to a faster car and can't even do a Trulli train.
 
The Grognard said:
One also has to remember that these current drivers are not encouraged to take risks because the worst that can happen can really screw over a team compared to a single win's potential benefit.
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That plus going for a gap and having it not go perfectly resulting in the other car driving into the 20 miles of tarmac run off, losing zero time and getting no damage will probably give you a 10 second penalty plus superlicense points these days.

I fully blame the smoothbrains over at reddit for "overtakes=good race". Every race thread there'll be some moron complaining there wasn't enough for it to be a good race or someone claiming a dull race was amazing due to the huge number of DRS flybys they call overtakes.

I once saw a thread where the OP did the number of ontrack overtakes in the refuling, no refusing eras to "prove" refuling made worse races. Pointing out that means nothing lead to massive downvotes and idiotic comments about being an idiot for loving processions.
 
Coccxys said:
I fully blame the smoothbrains over at reddit for "overtakes=good race". Every race thread there'll be some moron complaining there wasn't enough for it to be a good race or someone claiming a dull race was amazing due to the huge number of DRS flybys they call overtakes.

I once saw a thread where the OP did the number of ontrack overtakes in the refuling, no refusing eras to "prove" refuling made worse races. Pointing out that means nothing lead to massive downvotes and idiotic comments about being an idiot for loving processions.
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This is not just something that is limited to Reddit because the whole reason DRS and KERS got added back in the early 2010s was to spice up the show, along with having tires that intentionally need to be driven carefully with. They saw one race in like 2010 where they didn't get the compounds just right, it made for an exciting race on what was already a good season and thought "we can keep repeating this" and now the tires are intentionally imperfect, and you can't just go to the end without pitting.

If anything, the problems of the sport is that it tries to regulate itself into finding some mysterious component that introduces an element of chaos to the race but every single team does their damnest to ensure there are no chaotic elements that will disrupt their race. If anything, there needs to be a reversion back to a more laissez-faire approach to how teams can build their cars, though I would leave the budget cap on because that was the most sensible suggestion of the 2010's reforms and it only fell thru because Ferrari threw a fit.
 
quaawaa said:
I think she's the Japanese anime opening singer:
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Nah. Different Lisa. This was South Korean rapper from Thailand.

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Anyways, apologies if this is late, but Congress is making angry Congress noises about F1 rejecting Andretti's bid. Talking about the Sherman Antitrust Act and stuff.



I really would like to see an American F1 team. Especially one with the Andretti name.
 
Coccxys said:
I once saw a thread where the OP did the number of ontrack overtakes in the refuling, no refusing eras to "prove" refuling made worse races. Pointing out that means nothing lead to massive downvotes and idiotic comments about being an idiot for loving processions.
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I tried to look this up. What I saw was a a graph that had the lowest overtakes in the refueling era and somewhat sensibly, plebbitors pointed out that there was a downward trend in overtakes that was apparently halted by refueling.

But I have seen reddit talk about this in the past, and most of it is them saying everything was worse back then. Going with the 2 laps margins that some drivers were able to win with.
 
Mikoyan said:
Protectionism tends to blow up in stupid ways. But if they start antitrusting racing cartels, let's open up on the SMI/ISC duopoly for tracks in America.
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IMO them just threatening Liberty Media over this shit is good because the bullshit reasons why Andretti didn't get allowed were essentially "I don't think you'll make US enough money". The sport needs at least two more teams for it to be truly healthy.
 
First Norris, now Leclerc? What are DTS fans going to do?
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Only thing worse for them would be Hamilton coming out as straight.
 
Coccxys said:
Wait til they find out every single one of them does their utmost to avoid paying tax on their massive salaries
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But these are hero's who risk their lives every other week to provide us with quality racing, they get a free pas for tax evasion because I said so.
I like this reality TV drama disguised as a racing series but sometimes fans can mix the racing and personal lives of the drivers too much. Dont get me wrong I do like the off-track drama (look at where I am) but during seasons lead by a dominant force the drama can be the only substantial news from the scene which gets nauseating after a while.
 
r/formula1 really does not understand that (1) they are not the target audience for the McLaren PR and marketing departments and (2) They are not a representative sample of F1 fans, but a silly little politics obsessed circlejerk.

This weekend has been SPECTACULAR pr for McLaren, across the board.
 
Imola has done some sensible track changes. Looks like they're finally realising 20 miles of tarmac with a sensor and occasional penalty is a really crap way to police track limits.

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FOM and FIA apparently still trying to work out how to make everything shitter. In that spirit I present to you the wet weather spray guards ferrari tested for them.

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Open wheel series you say? You want pit stops that don't take a minute or more? Well fuck you because driving if it's raining within within 30 miles of the track is far too dangerous, and even if this retarded shit is introduced it will still be somehow too dangerous in a different way.
 
Coccxys said:
FOM and FIA apparently still trying to work out how to make everything shitter. In that spirit I present to you the wet weather spray guards ferrari tested for them.

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Open wheel series you say? You want pit stops that don't take a minute or more? Well fuck you because driving if it's raining within within 30 miles of the track is far too dangerous, and even if this retarded shit is introduced it will still be somehow too dangerous in a different way.
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Hmmm, I saw this pic which is I guess another option as it doesn't look like the two in your post.
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LiveFromNS said:
Hmmm, I saw this pic which is I guess another option as it doesn't look like the two in your post.
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Yeah they trialed two versions. Both look absolutely shit. I have seen some coping about them just being prototypes and they'll be so much better when they're proper carbon and in team colours, of course like most coping it's bullshit.
 
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