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reminds me of the excellent coverage from Suzuka 2015, where they showed nothing but midfield battles and 0 of Mercedes simply walking away. Great race, obviously not for Lauda RIP and toto cub.
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Sky have 2/3 "featured" articles about how this is totally Hamilton's weekend to turn it all around

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This is the furthest Hamilton has gone into a season without a win (since he's almost always had it handed to him by the engineers), he's been luck to get as many points and podiums as he has so far this season (if RBR and Ferrari had the reliability of 2014-2021 merc he probably wouldn't even have a podium yet).
 
Sky have 2/3 "featured" articles about how this is totally Hamilton's weekend to turn it all around

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As others have pointed out, this weekend could be a race of attrition due to the weather. There's a strong chance Mercedes will have pig roach luck; the only variable being whether or not Mercedes will allow George to get closer to the top of the WDC standings, or will Toto have him kneecapped so that Hambone can take the win...
 
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Of course the most funniest thing would be if both RedBull and Ferrari finish and both Mercedes burn down. One can dream
 
Above all else, Hamilton cannot fucking win a single race this year. It is the one statistic they are vainly clinging onto, and Silverstone was miles too close for comfort.
 
Above all else, Hamilton cannot fucking win a single race this year. It is the one statistic they are vainly clinging onto, and Silverstone was miles too close for comfort.
Also an interesting statistic: no driver has ever won a Grand Prix after his 300th Grand Prix. If this statistic remains true Hamilton will never win again after this Grand Prix.
 
Above all else, Hamilton cannot fucking win a single race this year. It is the one statistic they are vainly clinging onto, and Silverstone was miles too close for comfort.

When in reality all that statistic shows is he was handed the top equipment right off the bat without any paying his dues in a slower car first. Every year he has been handed a car capable of winning, even when they have been bad he's lucked into a win.

Meanwhile the actual greats of the sport started in a shithouse car and dragged it to near impossible results before breaking into a top car. No one expected a torro roso to win at monza, no one expected that Jordan to qualify that highly at Spa. Renault pulling off a pole and a win at Hungary was a surprise. Toleman getting multiple podiums was a near impossible task.

The supposed GOAT however always gets his asshole blown out by teammates if the car is anything less than perfect.

Alonso's latest hot take is right on the money too, those people need to get the fuck out.

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After all that clickbaity pish about De Vries being wheeled out to replace Hamilton for an FP session, and somehow Kubica returning completely passed me by. Makes for a pleasant surprise at least! (Then again, when doesn't he sneak on?)

Bit of a shame that Haas delayed their upgrades until the next race, but this will probably be a good track for them, even if this is far from my favourite.
 
The only time in his career where Hamilton had a bad car was 2009 and there Mclaren managed to get back into racing trim. Imho 2022 is the first time he has a really bad car (well comparatively speaking) and if it weren't for the issues RedBull and Ferrari have he would have never gotten a podium as the speed simply isn't there. I mean how many times has Perez overtaken Hasmilton on track this season?

And let's compare with others

Senna started at Toleman
Schumacher started with Jordan / Benetton
Vettel startetd with BMW / Toro Rosso
Rosberg started with Williams
Häkkinen started with Lotus
Verstappen startet with Toro Rosso

Hamilton is the only one who started at a top team (well Villneuve did it too) And just like Villeneuve Hamilton struggles with a subpar car (though honestly Hamilton does put more effort into it)
 
I wouldn't even call that a bad car (despite what Hamilton dickriders say when using that as an example of it not being handed to him). It was just a competitive midfield with the order changing track by track.

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That's why I said bad car but Mclaren got it back to racing trim. The first half was bad and it got only better at the end of the season when they had figured out what went wrong. Kind of like Mercedes 2022. Maybe we see Hamilton or Russell win this year but it is inconsequential to the championship (except perhaps stealing points from one of the title contender)
 
When in reality all that statistic shows is he was handed the top equipment right off the bat without any paying his dues in a slower car first. Every year he has been handed a car capable of winning, even when they have been bad he's lucked into a win.

Meanwhile the actual greats of the sport started in a shithouse car and dragged it to near impossible results before breaking into a top car. No one expected a torro roso to win at monza, no one expected that Jordan to qualify that highly at Spa. Renault pulling off a pole and a win at Hungary was a surprise. Toleman getting multiple podiums was a near impossible task.

The supposed GOAT however always gets his asshole blown out by teammates if the car is anything less than perfect.

Alonso's latest hot take is right on the money too, those people need to get the fuck out.

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Precisely. The only reason Hamilton has that statistic is because he had a race winning car from the get-go, and not only that, but he had a car capable of race wins every single season he competed. Other than Villeneuve, you have to go back all the way to Jackie Stewart in 1965 before you find another driver who won a race in their first season. That's how uncommon it is. Because even if you get snapped up by a top team, you're still usually put in a junior seat to test you out first. Alonso got Minardi, and if he'd stayed with Ferrari instead of getting snatched up by Flavio, he'd have probably ended up in Raikkonen's 2001 seat or Massa's 2002 seat for Sauber. Leclerc also went to Sauber first. Max started at Toro Rosso, as did Vettel. Ricciardo suffered at HRT whilst Perez pushed his Sauber to the max.

In fact, I'd be willing to say Lewis Hamilton has had a car that was at least within the Top 3 best cars of every single season.

2007: Easily best, or second best, since it was essentially a silver Ferrari.
2008: Best or second best again, only the Ferraris had similar pace.
2009: Slow to start, but by the end of the season they were clearly 3rd best behind Brawn and Red Bull.
2010: 3rd best, behind Red Bull and Ferrari.
2011: 2nd best, behind Red Bull and ahead of Ferrari, except he couldn't keep his nose out of Massa's rear end or sidepod.
2012: 2nd best, behind Red Bull and ahead of Ferrari.
2013: 3rd best, behind Red Bull and Ferrari.
2014 - 2016: Best car by a country mile.
2017: 2nd best car behind Ferrari and ahead of Red Bull.
2018: 2nd best car behind Ferrari until the upgrades came around, then it was clearly the fastest.
2019 - 2020: Best car by a country mile.
2021: 2nd best car behind Red Bull until the upgrades came around, then it was the fastest by a country mile.
2022: Still 3rd best car, albeit a distant 3rd, behind Ferrari and Red Bull.
The only time in his career where Hamilton had a bad car was 2009 and there Mclaren managed to get back into racing trim. Imho 2022 is the first time he has a really bad car (well comparatively speaking) and if it weren't for the issues RedBull and Ferrari have he would have never gotten a podium as the speed simply isn't there. I mean how many times has Perez overtaken Hasmilton on track this season?

And let's compare with others

Senna started at Toleman
Schumacher started with Jordan / Benetton
Vettel startetd with BMW / Toro Rosso
Rosberg started with Williams
Häkkinen started with Lotus
Verstappen startet with Toro Rosso

Hamilton is the only one who started at a top team (well Villneuve did it too) And just like Villeneuve Hamilton struggles with a subpar car (though honestly Hamilton does put more effort into it)
Looking back, Villeneuve actually did really well pulling the 1999 BAR up through the field, getting as high as the podium positions once or twice:
https://www.statsf1.com/en/1999/espagne/tour-par-tour.aspx (navigate left and right to see how he did each race)

Unfortunately, it was less reliable than a car from the '50s, and so blew up every time he did well with it. 2001 he scored a couple podiums, and 2002 was also a really good season for him, he overtook more cars than any other driver by a considerable margin. But I will admit, in addition to being the smuggest prick the grid may have ever known (besides his own former team-mate Damon Hill), Jackie V is one of the most overrated F1 drivers in modern history in a Williams that was leagues above the rest of the field.

I'm reminded, since yesterday marked 20 years since he claimed his fifth driver's title at just the 11th round of the season, that Michael Schumacher was already regarded as one of the most dominant drivers in F1 long before his winning streak. He won races despite being miles off the best car (the '96 Benetton for instance, with Alesi and Berger, was probably quicker than his WDC-winning '95 car, but they just couldn't use it as well as he would've), and dominated once he finally had the hardware to match. The fact he only won 7 WDCs is purely down to bad luck, his passion for Ferrari, and ultimately getting out-politicked in the end at both Ferrari and Mercedes. There are timelines where he probably had double-digit WDCs.
 
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He won races despite being miles off the best car (the '96 Benetton for instance, with Alesi and Berger, was probably quicker than his WDC-winning '95 car, but they just couldn't use it as well as he would've)

Yep when Alesi and Berger went to Benetton in 96 they said how hard the 95 car was to drive and Schumi said that he could have won with the 95 Ferrari(probably said it for moral reasons but I believe it). To see how dominate Schumi and also Newey were in the 90's and early 2000's between 1992 and 2004 only 1997 was not won by either Schumacher or an Adrian Newey designed car.

There are timelines where he probably had double-digit WDCs.

Easiest one is he doesn't break his leg in 99 and stays for 07 and 08.


Anyway the real reason I'm here, another team, McLaren has now also ditched small side pods, leaving Merc on their own. Is it hubris or will they get the philosophy to work?
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Also Merc is still yet to give Grosjean a test drive.
 
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