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George is becoming the clear number one at Mercedes.
Toto is still coping about Lewlew being just as fast as Russell but just unlucky.
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I wonder if this means Hamilton will retire at the end of the season?
He's never going by choice. He knows full well the fashion set, the rappers and sportsball players, every single one of the 'cool kids" he desperately wants to be one of and his entire influence comes from being muh F1 negro. His entourage will evaporate the second he announces retirement.

I also saw someone saying the other day that next season, we might not have Nando, Seb, Lewis and dildo man on the grid.
All possible but I think we'll have boolew and Nando next season. Seb is quationable with daddy stroll not coming through for the new era, his stated not just wanting to make up numbers and his stance on environmental stuff. Riccardo might not make it to end of the season with the way that relationship is publically deteriorating and the deal they signed with Aline that they could use Piastri as a driver this season if they wanted/needed to.

What I never understood was why they never built a proper track in Finland for a F1 race there.
The money in Finland is rallying, if you're going to invest in building a race venue then rally is the way you make the money. There aren't any big car manufacturers there to build a test circuit that might be brought up to standards. That plus sparse population and difficulty of logistics makes it not overly desirable for F1.

In other news Toto has his man incharge now.
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George is becoming the clear number one at Mercedes. I wonder if this means Hamilton will retire at the end of the season? I also saw someone saying the other day that next season, we might not have Nando, Seb, Lewis and dildo man on the grid. That's something to think about.
I would assume that Hamilton has a clause in his contract, that if he's not challenging for the title, he might leave the team at the end of the season (or even sooner).

This might be an option to either the team or Lewis and I would not be surprised to see it happen. Lewis can retire (or be forced to retire) that way if the relationship to Mercedes implodes - which isn't entirely unlikely. Russel will renew his contract for next season and he's in a very strong position to negotiate quite favorable terms.
Terms that might piss off Lewis quite a lot. Such as Mercedes allowing drivers to compete in the first few races and then backing the one that performed better to be the #1.
I guess even terms stating that Russel does not have to let Lewis pass if Lewis is behind Russel in the Team standings (something I would argue is in place even now) is enough to take its toll on King Louie.

At the moment, Toto's got Larbleton's back, but if this stretch of bad performance continues, chances do increase for Hamilton to say something so fundamentally stupid, that it pisses off the Mercedes high brass. Something like "My team is backing Russel cause he's white". That, I could see acting as a nuclear bomb in Hamilton's career.
The money in Finland is rallying, if you're going to invest in building a race venue then rally is the way you make the money. There aren't any big car manufacturers there to build a test circuit that might be brought up to standards. That plus sparse population and difficulty of logistics makes it not overly desirable for F1.
I would also suppose that Finnland is just a tiny bit too cold for a propper F1 track... A shame, I'd love to see a cool racetrack in a colder climate. (Pun not intended)
 
I would also suppose that Finnland is just a tiny bit too cold for a propper F1 track
It's not actually too bad if you're down south. Here's the climate graph for Helsinki
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Compared with Oxford (Silverstone area)
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As long as it was mid summer and in the southern parts it wouldn't be far out there. There has been a Swedish GP in the past, so up that way is not impossible. It just doesn't fit the sport anymore in terms of revenue (attendance and advertising) and logistics.

A winter GP with studded tyres would be amazing but going on they puss out if it's raining even though it's only just into extreme wet tyre conditions we'll never see it.
 
I would also suppose that Finnland is just a tiny bit too cold for a propper F1 track... A shame, I'd love to see a cool racetrack in a colder climate.
Note my bolded portions!
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October 8, 1978 Canadian Gilles Villeneuve won his maiden Grand Prix in front of a home crowd here in Montreal.

I was there, frozen like a Popsicle like the other tens of thousands of race fans. I was sitting in the “gold” grandstands located right in front of the pits of the prestigious Scuderia Ferrari.

Heavy rain caused chaos during the two days of practice and qualifying. At the end of each day, the old garages, located at the far end of Ile Notre-Dame, were transformed into a big car wash as the F1 cars returned covered with mud!

We later found out that Villeneuve made a hazardous Michelin tire choice for the race. The cold temperature would give him reason if he could drive fast yet carefully without damaging them.

We all followed his progress during the race. We all cheered for Gilles when he passed Alan Jones (Williams) and then Jody Scheckter (Wolf), before race leader Jean-Pierre Jarier in the second Lotus dived into the pits with terminal rear brake problems. Villeneuve was leading the race!

From that moment on, no one was cold despite the very light snow that began to fall.

At the conclusion of his 70th lap, Gilles Villeneuve, in his Ferrari 312 T3, passed the finish line in triumph, saluted by Michel Hanson waving the checkered flag.

The Villeneuve legend had just begun.
 
Riccardo might not make it to end of the season with the way that relationship is publically deteriorating and the deal they signed with Aline that they could use Piastri as a driver this season if they wanted/needed to.
Food for thought regarding dildo man;
The IndyCar season ends the same day as Monza. For the last 2 or 3 Indy's, the person who finished 2nd that year, went on to win the championship. An IndyCar championship gives enough super license points for F1. Pato just signed a 3 year deal with McLaren and dildo man has made his love for America clear. There are 3 races (around 6 weeks) between Monza and Mexico to cross the t's and dot the i's, should Pato pull it off.

Come on Zak, it's a match and swap made in heaven.
 
To think what could have been too.

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I haven't felt so bad watching a driver go out with a whimper since Massa. I can't feel bad for any former WDCs who go to a shit team and go from there.

The likes of Bottas who move to non-race winning teams and pull off the sorts of drives he is just build on their reputation.

Unfortunately Riccardo got stuck between Vettel and Vestappen Red Bull eras which made that a nonviable option but the other top teams were closed to him. He was going well at Renault but backroom politics put pay to his Renault dreams and sent him to where he is now, making himself look a bit amature and being destroyed by a very fast Norris. As good as he is these postRBR struggles have tarnished his reputation a bit.

Contrast that with Sainz who left the red bull program for much the same Vestappen shaped reason as Riccardo, right to Renault then McLaren coincidentally.
 
To think what could have been too.

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I haven't felt so bad watching a driver go out with a whimper since Massa. I can't feel bad for any former WDCs who go to a shit team and go from there.

The likes of Bottas who move to non-race winning teams and pull off the sorts of drives he is just build on their reputation.

Unfortunately Riccardo got stuck between Vettel and Vestappen Red Bull eras which made that a nonviable option but the other top teams were closed to him. He was going well at Renault but backroom politics put pay to his Renault dreams and sent him to where he is now, making himself look a bit amature and being destroyed by a very fast Norris. As good as he is these postRBR struggles have tarnished his reputation a bit.

Contrast that with Sainz who left the red bull program for much the same Vestappen shaped reason as Riccardo, right to Renault then McLaren coincidentally.
I have quite some respect for former WDC drivers that drive for less successful teams, at least they show some dedication to the sport that isn't tied to titles and success. Something I would praise Hamilton for, if he ate some humble cake and drove a shitbox for a few seasons out of love for the sport...

But people like Massa, Barichello or Ricciardo, who by all rights deserved and should have won a title, who struggle without ever being paid off... those I feel sad for.
 
Toto is still coping about Lewlew being just as fast as Russell but just unlucky.
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He's never going by choice. He knows full well the fashion set, the rappers and sportsball players, every single one of the 'cool kids" he desperately wants to be one of and his entire influence comes from being muh F1 negro. His entourage will evaporate the second he announces retirement.


All possible but I think we'll have boolew and Nando next season. Seb is quationable with daddy stroll not coming through for the new era, his stated not just wanting to make up numbers and his stance on environmental stuff. Riccardo might not make it to end of the season with the way that relationship is publically deteriorating and the deal they signed with Aline that they could use Piastri as a driver this season if they wanted/needed to.


The money in Finland is rallying, if you're going to invest in building a race venue then rally is the way you make the money. There aren't any big car manufacturers there to build a test circuit that might be brought up to standards. That plus sparse population and difficulty of logistics makes it not overly desirable for F1.

In other news Toto has his man incharge now.
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How about the cope I've been seeing rattle around the web that Lewis is sandbagging to get data on the car in dirty air from Ross Brawn of all people? Explain to me why he wanted to retire the car in Monaco then.
 
Unfortunately Riccardo got stuck between Vettel and Vestappen Red Bull eras which made that a nonviable option but the other top teams were closed to him. He was going well at Renault but backroom politics put pay to his Renault dreams and sent him to where he is now, making himself look a bit amature and being destroyed by a very fast Norris. As good as he is these postRBR struggles have tarnished his reputation a bit.

Contrast that with Sainz who left the red bull program for much the same Vestappen shaped reason as Riccardo, right to Renault then McLaren coincidentally.
To be perfectly honest, Verstappen is only where he is because of Jos. There was no need to demote the frankly quicker Kvyat, especially after the stinker Max pulled in 2018. Red Bull should've retained Ricciardo, but guess who fucked that up...
*insert image of the paddock's favourite wife beater here*

Also, Sainz should've been in that seat, not Max.
 
What I never understood was why they never built a proper track in Finland for a F1 race there. They produced three world champions, and still have decent drivers appearing from there (you now remember Heikki Kovalainen) but never hosted a Grand Prix for some reason.
We did have Interseries back when Keimola was a relatively large attraction, Imatra attracts the motorcycle audience and Alastaro occasionally hosts an international event. However, these days the problem is Money, Money, and Money. Kymiring was at least built as a Grade 1 circuit but the project's constantly hemorrhaging money and they've missed their shot of hosting a MotoGP race 3 years in a row and the investors are getting impatient with their white elephant. Besides, we don't exactly have a crazy zillionaire who's willing to splurge on a project like this compared to our rowdy eastern neighbor or the sheiks selling oil down south.

I would also suppose that Finnland is just a tiny bit too cold for a propper F1 track... A shame, I'd love to see a cool racetrack in a colder climate. (Pun not intended)
The weather is not really the issue, but only because it causes cracks and potholes to show up as time passes so it would require frequent re-pavings. Though, it would at least give it an interestingly patchy character. However, Kymiring is also not close enough for a massive hospital with all the bells and whistles needed by FIA's medical team so that's also likely gonna be a big issue unless someone decides that "Yes, we'll build a big private hospital" in Lahti, a place most notable for being on drugs all the fucking time or Kouvola, which is a little slice of DDR eternally stuck to 198X.

The money in Finland is rallying, if you're going to invest in building a race venue then rally is the way you make the money. There aren't any big car manufacturers there to build a test circuit that might be brought up to standards. That plus sparse population and difficulty of logistics makes it not overly desirable for F1.
Rallying is very much it's own realm, separate from money going to track-side stuff. Organizing Rally Finland also is still way cheaper than organizing an F1 race. The big problem is more that there's not a lot of it in the first place which is why I have doubts that someone as talented as Tuukka Taponen might not make it to F3, purely because all they've got is their skills but they aren't from a country with big sponsor worth to it nor a said crazy zillionaire willing to fund someone's career out of their pocket. Car manufacturers do actively test their cars up in Lapland all the damn time because it's got plenty of long roads, bad conditions and a bunch of very flat lakes where you can check how a car handles on ice.

Other sports stealing money also is a thing because:

There's the Track and Field scene which used to be the number 1 but has since been relegated in favor of team sports. Most likely to bitch about how everything else is too commercialized and wondering if we'll ever get a second Paavo Nurmi at some point.

The Pesäpallo scene, if you like a sport nobody outside of tiny rural places cares about. Only go here if you want to watch baseball, but with rules written by someone who once drunkenly heard about it at some point.

E-Sports which does attract an audience but they still are only a thing you care about it if you only play DOTA/CS:GO and ONLY these two. Energy drink addiction is a must.

Skiing scene which is still angry it's not 1978 when they could get everything they want no questions asked. They still have nightmares about that bag that got left to a gas station.

The minor ball sports (gridiron/basket/hand/volley/floor/etc.) that try to remind they exist every once in a while but only have one to two towns that specializes in it. Occasionally, people watch it when they have nothing better to watch on TV.

The Football scene which is envious that they aren't the biggest sport by a huge margin like in all the other countries and are permanently, VICIOUSLY asshurt about it. Most likely to spout dumb cliches about how the world's a ball, "muh beautiful game", "muh biggest audience" and we must also spend 5 billion so we can maybe be the 17th strongest nation in UEFA.

The one scene that doesn't complain about a lack of money over here is Hockey because this shit is a religion here at this point. They happily enjoy the most lucrative opportunities and shit out world class talent like it's nothing.
 
Very happy for Perez, he deserves it. This means Gasly is likely to go elsewhere now though right?
People keep bringing up gasly going back to Red Bull but I don’t buy it. I mean does he really think he’ll do a better job all of a sudden, after not only him but also kvyat and albon all performed worse when they were at Red Bull then alpha Tauri (toro rosso) in the Verstappen era. I think the best places for him to go might be Alfa Romeo who seem to be a very attractive constructor right now, gasly and bottas might be a pretty fun pairing, or Ferrari to replace sainz in a season or two, or maybe wait around until the new Andretti team rolls around.
 
People keep bringing up gasly going back to Red Bull but I don’t buy it. I mean does he really think he’ll do a better job all of a sudden, after not only him but also kvyat and albon all performed worse when they were at Red Bull then alpha Tauri (toro rosso) in the Verstappen era. I think the best places for him to go might be Alfa Romeo who seem to be a very attractive constructor right now, gasly and bottas might be a pretty fun pairing, or Ferrari to replace sainz in a season or two, or maybe wait around until the new Andretti team rolls around.
Yeah, he bombed HARD in the main team. The guy has a lot of talent but that 2nd red bull is a dream wrecker. Basically any 2nd seat in a major team has always been poison for one reason or another. Look at how much flack Sainz has got in the media and from Ferrari fans for the bad luck earlier in the season, if Ferrari were where they were in 2021 then he wouldn't be getting any of that. Same with Bottas in the Merc and every single team mate to Vestappen except Perez.

As for Kvyat, Vestappen took his ride, Vestappen took his girlfriend, Vestappen is his kid's soon to be step daddy. The guy was cucked hard by the based Dutchman long before daddy Putin did a naughty and got every Russian kicked out of everything.
 
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To be perfectly honest, Verstappen is only where he is because of Jos. There was no need to demote the frankly quicker Kvyat, especially after the stinker Max pulled in 2018. Red Bull should've retained Ricciardo, but guess who fucked that up...
*insert image of the paddock's favourite wife beater here*
Who dat?
 
I have quite some respect for former WDC drivers that drive for less successful teams, at least they show some dedication to the sport that isn't tied to titles and success.
True. Whether it's Kimi racing as a hobby or Seb acting as a babysitter, there's something wholesome about WDCs that are happy to drive for less successful teams after being WDC. Though Damon Hill driving for Arrows straight after winning the WDC with Williams is probably the most extreme example I can think of.
But people like Massa, Barichello or Ricciardo, who by all rights deserved and should have won a title, who struggle without ever being paid off... those I feel sad for.
Hopefully Ric will be able to spend more time in F1 with a less successful team to round off his career, but I wouldn't begrudge him if he decided to move into another category... especially if he's replaced by Piastri.
 
I don't see why Schumacher should be kept around any longer. He's doing worse than some drivers considered "trash" by many, but people are ready to stick up to him. In my opinion - only because of his name.
Some want to compare him to Ralf, but those probably forget that Ralf actually scored points and drove very competitively in most cars he drove, despite those being less than stellar most of the time, at the grid where only top 6 or top 8 would get any points.
 
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I don't see why Schumacher should be kept around any longer. He's doing worse than some drivers considered "trash" by many, but people are ready to stick up to him. In my opinion - only because of his name.
Some want to compare him to Ralf, but those probably forget that Ralf actually scored points and drove very competitively in most cars he drove, despite those being less than stellar most of the time, at the grid where only top 6 or top 8 would get any points.

Sadly you're right, he's probably got till the summer break to turn it around.

On that note silly season could be interesting this year...

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With technically 9 seats available, 10 if you think Dani Ric gets the boot. I'm certain Hamilton will hang around next year to asses his options.

Stroll is pretty certain to be in the AM seat and Williams and Alpha Tauri will probably keep at least one of this year's drivers for consistency. I could see Pouchaire in the second Alfa Romeo seat and Zhou moving to either Williams or Hass with his money. Piastri also needs to get a seat next year.
 
I don't see why Schumacher should be kept around any longer.
Dude, have you seen Latifi hitting the barriers on the opening lap last race? Mick is still a rookie in a somewhat dubious car.
Magnussen is doing much better, but that guy has more experience in F1 than Mick has in Formula racing altogether.

He needs to get a grip and start to perform better in races, no use denying that, but you're making a fuss over nothing.
 
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