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I honestly find the whole sustainability in motorsports thing to be perverse and ironic, especially given the international nature of F1. inb4 muh technology trickle down. Is there any actual quantification of how much does make it to road cars or are they pointing out a few examples here and there and using that to justify virtue signalling?

The logistics involved in setting up and running tracks in different countries probably burn more fuel than the entire grid and all the replaced engines for the entire season.
Most definitely but given hambone cries all the time about being muh vegan for the environment, has a car collection he claimed he never drives (even though he's been photoed driving them to events) and has it written into his contract that he must be picked up in an electric vehicle for all events holding him to his own supposed standards is fair gain to me. This is totally something he can be called on.

Also Merc lose right to review challenge, go crying wojack about how they totally knew this was the case but it was to prove a point.
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Also Toto telling us that if lewlew loses the championship we can expect to not find put who the champion is for months because merc will throw money at lawyers to try and buy it.
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has a car collection he claimed he never drives (even though he's been photoed driving them to events)
There's something truly ironic about the car collection here:
If he drives them, they create unnecessary amounts of waste and dirt by their standard operation - but! - if he doesn't drive them, it means the resources that went into making and maintaining those cars were wasted on what could essentially be just a giant wooden mockup with paint on it.

Point being: In terms of this green image he's trying to push forward, owning these cars is a major sin, whether he drives them or not. Kinda kafkaesque when you think about it.
 
Another gulf state track that feels sterile as fuck and is more about the sport's big wigs getting to hobnob with essentially dictator oil barrens than having a good race track. If these 3 tracks heavily favour the merc (as expected) then Lewis is on for a win simple because of silly money built on the back of human right abuses buying themselves a gp.

And of course...

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Another gulf state track that feels sterile as fuck and is more about the sport's big wigs getting to hobnob with essentially dictator oil barrens than having a good race track. If these 3 tracks heavily favour the merc (as expected) then Lewis is on for a win simple because of silly money built on the back of human right abuses buying themselves a gp.

And of course...

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Apparently it is even more crazy now. There is a chance Gasly could start 2nd! I'd hate to see dumb penalties applied, but would love to see Gasly start P2 and beat Hamilton! That'd be fun!

Analysis: What penalties are Verstappen, Bottas and Sainz at risk of in Qatar?​

Posted on 20th November 2021, 20:33 | Written by RJ O'Connell

For the second weekend in a row, the outcome of a Formula 1 qualifying session will hang in doubt overnight.

Max Verstappen, who originally qualified second on the grid, is under investigation for allegedly failing to respect yellow flags in the final minutes of qualifying. The hearing will not take place until tomorrow morning.

He is one of three drivers who could be penalised, along with Valtteri Bottas (who originally qualified third) and Carlos Sainz Jnr (seventh). But there is a potentially significant differences between the cases: Bottas and Sainz passed single waved yellow flags, Verstappen passed double waved yellow flags, which is a more serious infraction.

This is not the first time Verstappen has faced such an investigation. At the 2018 Russian Grand Prix, he was found to have not slowed sufficiently for a yellow flag at the end of Q2. He was given a three-place grid drop for the infringement, but as he was already due to start at the back of the grid due to power unit element changes, this proved immaterial.

In Mexico the following year Verstappen failed to slow for a yellow flag waved for the crashed car of Valtteri Bottas, and was stripped of pole position after a three-place grid drop. He even admitted after the session that he did not slow down in the final corner, though FIA Formula 1 race director Michael Masi denied the admission prompted his penalty.

Conversely, Verstappen was promoted to second on the grid just hours before the 2020 Austrian Grand Prix, after Lewis Hamilton was demoted three places for failing to slow for yellow flags during qualifying. Red Bull successfully petitioned for a review of a prior decision by the race stewards not to penalise Hamilton, after new video footage appeared.

However all these incidents involved single waved yellow flags. They may provide better pointers towards the penalties Bottas and Sainz are likely to receive than Verstappen.

A case from last year suggests Verstappen may face a five-place grid drop if he is found to have infringed the rules. That was the penalty Lando Norris received for failing to slow sufficiently for double waved yellow flags during the Turkish Grand Prix.

The stewards can use their judgement in these cases, however, and may decide a penalty is not deserved, as other relevant cases from this season show.

One of those involved Verstappen in his home grand prix in the Netherlands. Second practice was red-flagged due to Hamilton stopping on course, and Verstappen overtook Lance Stroll moments after the flag was shown. However, Verstappen was cleared of wrongdoing after the stewards ruled that he “immediately reduced speed in a safe manner at the earliest opportunity upon the first indication of the red flag.”

Prior to that at the Austrian Grand Prix, eight drivers were investigated after the race for failing to slow sufficiently in a double waved yellow flag zone, caused by the final lap crash between Sebastian Vettel and Kimi Raikkönen. Six drivers were cleared, but Nicholas Latifi and Nikita Mazepin were ruled not to have slowed sufficiently, and were given 30 second time penalties after the race.

Following the Turkish Grand Prix last month, F1 changed its double waved yellow flag procedures after an incident involving Fernando Alonso. The Alpine driver, on his first lap of a wet session, set a lap time which was considerably more competitive than another driver who slowed more for the same incident. Since then drivers have had their lap times deleted if they passed through a double waved yellow flag zone during qualifying. That doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t receive further sanctions.

The worst-case scenario for Verstappen therefore appears to be a five-place grid penalty. Significantly, even if Bottas also gets the ‘standard’ three-place grid drop for a single yellow flag violation, that will move the Red Bull driver behind the second Mercedes, further compromising his race before it’s even started.

Ironically, if Verstappen, Bottas and Sainz all cop penalties, the driver who stands to benefit the most is the one whose accident triggered the yellow flags. That was Pierre Gasly, who could move up from fourth to third or second, either of which would be the best starting position of his career.
 
If they dump him down the grid, he might as well take a new PU and just go balls deep on the engine settings. If it fries the engine over time, doesn't matter, it only has to hold together for a few races.
 
If they dump him down the grid, he might as well take a new PU and just go balls deep on the engine settings. If it fries the engine over time, doesn't matter, it only has to hold together for a few races.
He has to use the same engine setting he used in qualifying I'm afraid. I don't know if that would apply if he did a pitlane start for example.
 
He has to use the same engine setting he used in qualifying I'm afraid. I don't know if that would apply if he did a pitlane start for example.
I didn't think about that, right. It only makes sense when you know before qualifying then. Either way, maybe taking a 5 place grid penalty in one of the coming races might still be a good plan to take a swing at Hamilton on tracks where the Mercs are stronger.
 
I just put on the Sky stream and heard Gasly on front row and Alonso P3 so I guess penalties were meted out to the 3.
 
I just put on the Sky stream and heard Gasly on front row and Alonso P3 so I guess penalties were meted out to the 3.
Yup. Gotta give more to Max than Bottas of course. Plus the flag wasn't supposed to be out anyway... this entire championship has been one big game of steward/FIA incompetence.
 
Looks like this'll be the race where Verstappen has to prove he can be champion, same way Lewis did last week.

Gasly now finds himself in a very interesting position. Doubt he can fight Hamilton or Verstappen (assuming he comes charging up the field) but he should definitely be aiming for podium now.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure that Gasly and Tsunoda are starting on the softs. If he can get a good start, he could lead for the first few corners. If Lewis gets antsy trying to pass him, if Gasly indeed gets the lead, that could result in some shit.

With this mixed up grid, is there potential for some calamity into T1?
 
The fact that Verstappen got 5 and Bottas got 3 really smells suspicious to me, especially the fact that Hamilton hasn't had any points taken off of him for cheating with his wing. REALLY hope they'll investigate that shit.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure that Gasly and Tsunoda are starting on the softs. If he can get a good start, he could lead for the first few corners. If Lewis gets antsy trying to pass him, if Gasly indeed gets the lead, that could result in some shit.

With this mixed up grid, is there potential for some calamity into T1?

If Gasly can get a good start and match Lewis into turn 1 I suspect he'll back out and let Gasly past. He can't afford to risk a battle with anyone not named Max Verstappen and will trust the car to be able to get Gasly later in the race without issue.
 
I just really hope we're not in for another Abu Dhabi type race because it is so hard to overtake here with no really heavy breaking zones.

Marco talking to Gastley: "hey you know perez is out of contract for 2023 and it'd be a real shame if Hamilton didn't make it into turn 2 wouldn't it."
 
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There is a real chance the top 2 could lap the entire field. 30 laps in and Alonso is over 50 seconds behind Ham.
 
Well at least the "vestappen will struggle to get on the podium" doomering from sky pundits was bullshit.

Pirelli say tyre will go 30 laps
Mercedes run the tyre for 33 laps
Tyre falls apart
*suprised pikachu*

They really need to fuck off switching to showing some dipshits in the stands half way though an important move.

One stopping here is apparently a terrible idea.
 
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