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The moaning begins:

MERCEDES FEELS HAMILTON WING CASE TREATED UNUSUALLY HARSHLY​

57 mins ago By Mark Hughes

Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff feels that “a different modus operandi” to Formula 1 convention was followed in the process which led to Lewis Hamilton being disqualified from qualifying for the Saturday sprint race at Interlagos and having to start from the back after qualifying comfortably fastest.

Hamilton’s Mercedes failed a post-qualifying check on the rear wing’s DRS gap. Although the gap in the centre of the wing and the outboard left extremity was within the 85mm maximum when open, it was found that on the right-hand outboard side it was 0.2mm more than permitted.

FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer reported this to the stewards who then had to rule on the matter. It is at the delegate’s discretion which discrepancies are reported to the stewards and which are dealt with by instructing the team involved to correct minor infractions.

The FIA has retained the wing for the remainder of the race weekend so Mercedes has not been able to assess why it failed the test but believes something to be broken in its mechanism.

“Our number 1 [mechanic] was there as it was being tested and he has reported that he believes it to be broken,” explained Wolff.

The FIA statement confirming the penalty stated the stewards accepted the infringement was not intentional, saying “it was clear to the stewards that the additional deflection was due to additional play either in the DRS
actuator or the pivots at the end, or some combination or other fault with the mechanism, or incorrect assembly of the parts…” and “the stewards fundamentally accept the competitor’s explanation that the cause of the failed test was something ‘gone wrong’ rather than a deliberate action.”

However, the technical directive used to determine how compliance to the regulation is measured was followed to the letter, as explained in the FIA’s penalty confirmation:

“The maximum gap is measured, in accordance with TD/01119, by pushing an 85mm gauge against the gap with a maximum load of 10N. If the gauge goes through, then the car has failed the test.

“In this case, the gauge would not pass through at the inner section of the wing, but did at the outer section of the wing. This test was repeated four times with two different gauges.”

Although a technical directive is not, in itself, a regulation, it is considered the guidance for teams as to how the stewards will measure and judge compliance.

Wolff however feels that a more lenient interpretation has traditionally been followed and he had respect for the difficult situation faced by the stewards.

“It’s certainly not easy ruling on such a contagious topic when it is about a world championship,” he said.“

They need to look at… how the process went from telling us we had marginally failed the test to not allowing this to be fixed like the normal protocol would be but rather reported to the stewards.

“The bullet was out of the gun and put the stewards in a difficult situation to make the right judgement.”

Wolff contrasted the situation with the repairs made to the Red Bull rear wings during qualifying in Mexico.

“Then, work on their rear wing was permitted,” he said.

“So no different in terms of parc ferme situation.

“This time it was judged if it had happened during the session we would have been allowed to fix it. But not at the end of the session.

“Why during it but not the end? It is what it is.

“In the past there was a common sense buffer which didn’t exist yesterday but it’s all to the dot in the regulations so you need to respect that and acknowledge that it’s a fierce fight with several entities involved and other stakeholders involved…
https://the-race.com/formula-1/mercedes-failed-defence-and-why-verstappen-was-irrelevant/
“Everyone is trying to do their jobs the best they can but something went against the modus operandi in the last 24 hours; either pressure from other stakeholders or just different modus operandi.

“If so, you need to maybe look at others with a more strict eye.
“From now we will be asking questions of everything.
“If a gentleman’s agreement existed before it doesn’t now.”

As a backdrop to the apparently random test, it is Red Bull’s belief that the Mercedes rear wing may be flexing, given its straightline performance pattern.

Max Verstappen made reference to that belief when asked why he had touched the Mercedes wing after qualifying.

“I was just looking at how much their rear wing was flexing – at that point,” he said.

And he followed that up with: “There have been talks [about Mercedes’ straightline performance]. I think there are still things to look into because it seems at a certain speed the wing is flexing.

“At the beginning of the season we had to all change the rear wings because of the back-off but it seems like something is still backing off over there. That’s why I went to have a look.”
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I am going to assume when Wolff says it was broken he is not that stupid to try to insinuate Max broke it and is saying more it broke on its own. They should have asked him "How do you think it was broken? On track or after the session ended?"
 
happened at the race in 2008 when he took the championship away from Massa less than a minute after it looked like it was Felipe's. I mean it would have been better if Hamilton was in the right position 20 laps before the end of the race so Brazilians didn't have to get that huge high when it sure looked like Felipe won the title. That was so crushing.
Hamilton only won that championship because Nelson Piquet Jr was a shit driver and Flavio needed Alonso to win the race. If they hadn't cheated like that then Massa would have been champion. Hambone came 3rd while Massa came 13th that race entirely down to their pit strategy and how that safety car worked out for them. If Hamilton wants to keep arguing farcical races should not be counted (not saying I disagree) then he needs to hand over that championship to Massa.

Toto is talking absolute bollocks, if you car is illegal then you get disqualified. That is the rules of the sport and they are very black and white. If you had actually noticed then yes you could have said to the FIA "oh crap this broke can we change it" but getting to the end then only saying that when the FIA tells your it's illegal looks incompetent at best. If they let you off with "oh yeah we'll fix it" then every team will do dodgy things and if caught go "oh yeah our bad it must have broke".
 
Hamilton only won that championship because Nelson Piquet Jr was a shit driver and Flavio needed Alonso to win the race. If they hadn't cheated like that then Massa would have been champion. Hambone came 3rd while Massa came 13th that race entirely down to their pit strategy and how that safety car worked out for them. If Hamilton wants to keep arguing farcical races should not be counted (not saying I disagree) then he needs to hand over that championship to Massa.

Toto is talking absolute bollocks, if you car is illegal then you get disqualified. That is the rules of the sport and they are very black and white. If you had actually noticed then yes you could have said to the FIA "oh crap this broke can we change it" but getting to the end then only saying that when the FIA tells your it's illegal looks incompetent at best. If they let you off with "oh yeah we'll fix it" then every team will do dodgy things and if caught go "oh yeah our bad it must have broke".
Yeah, that was Singapore 2008 right? That whole debacle came to light the following year didn't it?

Also, was Singapore 2008 the race where Felipe left the pits with the fuel hose attached? Or was that another year? Vague memory of that.
 
There is something seriously suspicious about how much faster Hamilton is along the straight than anyone else including those with merc engines.

Good start by the Red Bulls though.

Of course there's a safety car. Put dickbag right on the back of the Bulls.

Oh here we go with the "hurr Max drove him off the road". I wonder how much the Hamilton fanboys who were shouting that the championship should be fought on track not given by the stewards will say if Max gets set back.

British commentator be like "yeah the stewards have all the data but it looks to me like I should suck hamiltons dick"
 
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If this is any indication on how the next 3 races are going to go, I'm sad.

Was a somewhat ok race, but nothing much to write about.
Hamilton bitching about not no investigation happening was fun, but he won and that's not fun.

Also ffs croft and that other guy really love to suck off Hamlam. They did it near constantly in the last 10 or so laps. Made me laugh when they praised him for his good start in the sprint race, where he gained 4 or 5 positions.
Yeah geez. It takes some real fucking skill to overtake Haas and Williams in a car that's the quickest on the grid.
 
Anyone who actually thinks Hamilton is the GOAT is brain damaged.

I'm not going to deny he's good, but the Mercedes car is a marvel of engineering whose other seat happens to be operated by a man who makes Heinz-Harald Frentzen look like Juan Manuel Fangio.

Place Hamilton in a mediocre car, and he'll never see a podium again.
 
Local journoscum after seeing Brazilian flags everywhere in support of the current prez: FASCIST PIECES OF SHIT, HOW DARE YOU USE THE FLAG FOR PETTY DISPLAYS OF SUPPORT, MUH NATIONALISM BAD, REEEEEEEEEEE

Local journoscum after seeing Hamilton covering himself with the Brazilian flag: BASED HAMILTON, BRAZIL SHOULD LEARN FROM YOU TO VALUE OUR COUNTRY, COME OVER HERE AND FUCK ME AND MY FAMILY
 
Anyone who actually thinks Hamilton is the GOAT is brain damaged.

I'm not going to deny he's good, but the Mercedes car is a marvel of engineering whose other seat happens to be operated by a man who makes Heinz-Harald Frentzen look like Juan Manuel Fangio.

Place Hamilton in a mediocre car, and he'll never see a podium again.
Granted, the best driver in the world couldn't easily go on a podium with a mediocre car (unless some severe shit goes down), but put him in a Ferrari and watch him struggle to keep up with the top 3. The Mercs are strong and they are at least half of the backbone of Hamilton's career.
 
Hamilton was on another level this weekend. Don't know if it was just Interlagos favouring the Merc but it seemed like their cars had an extra step in them. Makes me feel less certain about what's going to happen in the run-in.

Local journoscum after seeing Brazilian flags everywhere in support of the current prez: FASCIST PIECES OF SHIT, HOW DARE YOU USE THE FLAG FOR PETTY DISPLAYS OF SUPPORT, MUH NATIONALISM BAD, REEEEEEEEEEE

Local journoscum after seeing Hamilton covering himself with the Brazilian flag: BASED HAMILTON, BRAZIL SHOULD LEARN FROM YOU TO VALUE OUR COUNTRY, COME OVER HERE AND FUCK ME AND MY FAMILY

He's not even that bad in Bongland lol. Seems he has a mega boner for Brazil for some reason.
 
the Merc but it seemed like their cars had an extra step in them.
I think there is some fuckery with just how much extra speed that new engine gave him including over Bottas. Best innocent explanation I've seen is they've turned everything up to 11, which if so hopefully they've spent the best of that engine.

Hambone was lucky it was a sprint weekend. No way he would have won if starting absolute last but that extra 1/3 distance is what made it possible.
 
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I do wonder myself, if Merc is squeezing the last bit of performance out of the engine, since it only has to hold for 4 races. I do hope the hot dirty air plus thin air pressure took a toll on that sucker.
 
I remember Michael Schumacher being interviewed, i think in his last season, and he was saying that his wife and kids were with him for the weekend, you could see how happy that made him. His whole face lit up as he explained, He could have spent the whole weekend letting fans and VIPs boost his ego, but no, the family were there.

This is what we get now. Cunt, This is the outfit he arrived at Brazil in, btw.

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I remember Michael Schumacher being interviewed, i think in his last season, and he was saying that his wife and kids were with him for the weekend, you could see how happy that made him. His whole face lit up as he explained, He could have spent the whole weekend letting fans and VIPs boost his ego, but no, the family were there.
Hamilton is too busy trying to be the strotypical black American celebrity to bother with a family. That plus if he had a kid his "must act like the American blacks" instinct would kick in an he'd be off like a shot.

Why else do you think every other driver always has their wife/parents/kids etc as their guests in the garage meanwhile Hamilton fill the place with anyone American and black who's even remotely well known? Why else is he so obsessed with BLM? Why else does he have a rap album and his own clothing line? He's trying to buy his way into a club he will never be in because He's British and not a gangsta from da hood.

We just need to hope the Saudi police mistake him for an upity "imported involuntary migrant worker" and he'll soon work out how well they actually have it in the west.
 
Hamilton is too busy trying to be the strotypical black American celebrity to bother with a family. That plus if he had a kid his "must act like the American blacks" instinct would kick in an he'd be off like a shot.

Why else do you think every other driver always has their wife/parents/kids etc as their guests in the garage meanwhile Hamilton fill the place with anyone American and black who's even remotely well known? Why else is he so obsessed with BLM? Why else does he have a rap album and his own clothing line? He's trying to buy his way into a club he will never be in because He's British and not a gangsta from da hood.

We just need to hope the Saudi police mistake him for an upity "imported involuntary migrant worker" and he'll soon work out how well they actually have it in the west.

Early in his career he was trying to act like he came from the 'hood and it backfired so badly on him he had to apologise to his hometown for calling it a shithole.

I'll say this for Hamilton though: as annoying as he can be he's far more likeable than his fucking fanbase. Like him or not he's a brilliant racing driver who always plays to win and when he's chasing is never boring to watch, meanwhile his fanbase are either ultra partisan Brits (all the more funny given if they worked for Lewis he'd want to sack them for not having the right skin colour) or basketball Americans who watched DtS and like him solely because he's black.
 
Early in his career he was trying to act like he came from the 'hood and it backfired so badly on him he had to apologise to his hometown for calling it a shithole.

I'll say this for Hamilton though: as annoying as he can be he's far more likeable than his fucking fanbase. Like him or not he's a brilliant racing driver who always plays to win and when he's chasing is never boring to watch, meanwhile his fanbase are either ultra partisan Brits (all the more funny given if they worked for Lewis he'd want to sack them for not having the right skin colour) or basketball Americans who watched DtS and like him solely because he's black.
It's not even those two who are the worst, it's the white virtue signallers who just see a black man who talks the talk and thus is the one they are obligated to support. They don't give a fuck about the sport or any other factor related to it, unless it's something to grandstand about.
 
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