Opinion Forget $15 an Hour — the Minimum Wage Should Be $24 - spitting fax

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The coronavirus pandemic relief bill passed by the House of Representatives this week would raise the federal minimum wage in steps until it reached $15 an hour in 2025. But an increase in the minimum wage has been removed from the Senate’s legislation. At least for now, it is stuck at $7.25.
This is bad enough in itself, but even worse is that almost no Americans understand how low we’ve allowed our aspirations to become. Our country’s productivity gains in recent decades should have translated into a minimum wage today of $24 an hour — and by 2025, it should be almost $30.
This may sound preposterous. But in fact, U.S. society was once on a path to this destination. We simply chose to step off that path.

From both a moral and practical perspective, the minimum wage should go up in step with the productivity of the U.S. economy — that is, our ever-increasing ability to create more wealth with the same amount of work. Morally, as a country grows richer, everyone should share in the increased wealth. Practically, companies that sell things need lots of people with the money to buy them.
We know that this can work because it already did. During the 30 years from the establishment of a minimum wage in 1938 to 1968, Congress repeatedly upped the minimum wage so that it did in fact go up hand in hand with U.S. productivity. By the end of that period, it was worth the equivalent of $12 per hour today.
Since 1968, American productivity has substantially increased. Dean Baker, senior economist at the Center for Economic and Policy Research, points out that if the minimum wage had gone up at the same rate, it would now be over $24. At that level, as Baker says, a couple who both worked full time at minimum-wage jobs would take home $96,000 a year. Baker also calculates that by 2025, rising productivity would bring the minimum wage close to $30 an hour.

But instead we’ve gone in the other direction. After the late 1960s, Congress stopped raising the minimum wage in step with productivity. Instead, over the past 50 years, Congress has allowed the minimum wage to plummet in real terms. That is, minimum-wage workers of the past were actually paid more than minimum-wage workers make today — even though today’s workers live in a much richer society.
Indeed, since 1950, the hourly minimum wage has almost never been lower than it is now. Of course, 1950 is literally a lifetime ago, and the U.S. is now a completely different country. Our per capita gross domestic product is now four times greater. A UNIVAC computer of the time was 38 feet long, weighed eight tons, and had about 1/1,000,000 of the memory of today’s cheapest iPhone.
Yet somehow, everyone working a federal minimum-wage job in 2021 is paid less per hour than the inflation-adjusted $8.25 or so that they would have gotten in 1950. During the past 71 years, the inflation-adjusted minimum wage has only been lower than it is now in 1989 and from 2004 to 2006.

The first federal minimum wage was established in 1933 with the passage of the New Deal’s National Industrial Recovery Act. It was soon struck down as unconstitutional by the era’s ultra-right Supreme Court. President Franklin D. Roosevelt then ran for reelection in 1936 promising to keep fighting for a federal minimum wage. By contrast, that year’s Republican platform conspicuously did not call for one, although it did piously allow that it might be okay if individual states created minimum wages for women and children.
Roosevelt’s landslide victory intimidated conservative Justice Owen Roberts enough that he reread the Constitution and realized that in fact it does allow the federal government to set a minimum wage. He switched sides in a 1937 minimum-wage case, clearing the way for the passage of the Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938.

The Fair Labor Standards Act set the minimum wage at 25 cents per hour. Adjusted for inflation, that’s about $4.60 today. Tellingly, this was a compromise with Southern senators: The original version of the bill would have established a minimum wage of 40 cents per hour, the equivalent of about $7.37 now.
The minimum wage only made it to 40 cents by 1945. It then was almost doubled when President Harry Truman signed a bill at the start of 1950 increasing it to 75 cents, worth $8.25 today after adjusting for inflation.


What happens now is unclear, but certainly the situation doesn’t look good for any significant minimum-wage changes. The Senate parliamentarian ruled that minimum-wage provisions cannot be passed via the budget reconciliation process, which only requires 50 votes, and the Biden administration has refused to use its power to ignore the parliamentarian. And House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has said that the two versions will not go to conference committee to be reconciled. Instead, the House will simply pass the Senate bill and send it to President Joe Biden for his signature.
Democrats can now try to pass a stand-alone increase in regular order over a GOP filibuster, but that would require all of the Democratic senators and 10 Republicans, which is difficult to imagine. They could also change Senate rules to eliminate the filibuster, something that seems equally unlikely.
So for the moment, it appears that America’s worst-paid workers have been abandoned yet again by the federal government. But let’s not pretend this isn’t a choice we’re making. Any time we want, we can choose to get back on the path to a different, fairer, better country.
 
forty four thousand dollars a year for basic full time work?
Yes, do you mind lining up? :wall:
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How many times do people need to tell these retards: the Minimum Wage is not supposed to be a livable wage. Its supposed to be for beginner jobs. Its not my fault your biggest skills amounts to being a barista or taking orders on a POS machine. Go to trade school.
Trade school costs money. People who can't get better jobs than minimum wage do not have money.

In many places, especially rural locations (which are often populated by poor people), the nearest trade school or non-minimum-wage employer is a significant drive away. Gas costs money. Insurance costs money. Cars cost a lot of money. These places don't have reliable public transportation, if they have any at all.

Currently, a single person living alone on minimum wage (40 hour weeks) in my area would be unable to pay rent on a studio apartment. I do not live in a major city. Technically speaking, I don't live in a city at all. There are no cities within 40 miles. Rent is cheaper here than in most of the country. My state's minimum wage is higher than the national minimum.

You must not know what it feels like to be hopeless. There's no choice to improve your value as a worker when you currently work full time and need to gather nickels and dimes to pay for white rice and dry pasta. Making more money than this costs money.
 
Trade school costs money. People who can't get better jobs than minimum wage do not have money.

In many places, especially rural locations (which are often populated by poor people), the nearest trade school or non-minimum-wage employer is a significant drive away. Gas costs money. Insurance costs money. Cars cost a lot of money. These places don't have reliable public transportation, if they have any at all.

Currently, a single person living alone on minimum wage (40 hour weeks) in my area would be unable to pay rent on a studio apartment. I do not live in a major city. Technically speaking, I don't live in a city at all. There are no cities within 40 miles. Rent is cheaper here than in most of the country. My state's minimum wage is higher than the national minimum.

You must not know what it feels like to be hopeless. There's no choice to improve your value as a worker when you currently work full time and need to gather nickels and dimes to pay for white rice and dry pasta. Making more money than this costs money.
There is a very noticeable lack of empathy anytime workers rights, wages or economic prospects are brought up here. People forget that in many parts that rural whites/whites in the rustbelt are proven to be more disadvantaged for upper education than minorities.
 
It says everything that the critics of rising minimum wage must resort to dirty tactics like ad hominem rather than choosing addressing the historical and noticeably low wages for the poorest people in society during a global depression and pandemic.
You're the same people who will complain about how the left treats the working class yet you engage in apathy.
Why do you hate the poors? What kind of monster are you, that you want to implement a policy that takes from the most poorest and vulnerable people the one thing they have to support themselves; their jobs.
 
There is a very noticeable lack of empathy anytime workers rights, wages or economic prospects are brought up here. People forget that in many parts that rural whites/whites in the rustbelt are proven to be more disadvantaged for upper education than minorities.
This is why I want true UBI. It is absolute horseshit that some people can't get opportunities and assistance due to not being a PoC.
 
Yes, do you mind lining up? :wall:
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I wasn't making a positive or negative statement on it honestly.

I'm genuinely not sure how I feel about it; on the one hand working class people and low middle class people right now are fucked. Like, unironically fucked. A two person household can barely afford to get by in some areas on basic income. That's insane and shouldn't be happening. America, like Britain and most of the developed world has actively stabbed their working peoples in the front, and then mugged them while they did it. Everything has risen out of proportion to the value of peoples labours; and the result is that people are being literally ground down into the poverty line more and more. I'd like a decent wage to be made available for people who work to better the country and their community.

But like all systems of support for a nations people they don't work unless you have a people that want to invest their time and effort into a nation. America has a large underclass of grievance mongers that politicians listen to and rely on for easy votes. They allow more and more immigrants into the nation and have colonies of rootless cosmopolitans infesting it. The american people have largely been abandoned by their political class; their labour and wealth being used by the people in charge to siphon prosperity upwards and lock it in place. A decent living wage is a good thing; but it's more than that, it needs to have a good foundation for it to succeed. Otherwise all it is, is bread to go with the circuses while the average person loses more and more.

Without community building efforts, and active reversals of the policies that target Americans (European descent Americans, not niggers) and make the atomisation of their communities inevitable, I think a decent wage is a wasted effort.
 
Just upping the minimum wage changes nothing. Up it to $24/hr and all those folks currently making $24/hr will need their pay increased, too, or they will essentially be getting a pay cut. Eventually the cost of things will rise -- because they can get away with raising prices -- and we'll be back to the same old, same old. It might help those at the bottom for the short term, but it will hurt anyone currently making whatever the new minimum is set at because how likely are businesses to increase their pay rate to the appropriate level if they don't have to? Some in demand jobs will have to do it, but all others will raise it just enough to keep the jobs filled and not a penny more.

I absolutely believe that minimum wage should be a livable wage. There are a lot of retards who can't get better jobs (and, yes, areas where better jobs aren't available even for non retards) and they deserve to have the basics in life. Plus, we should at least reward those people who are actually working. But, setting a federal minimum is dumb because the cost of living is different across the country. $15 in NYC is a joke. $15 where I live is a good wage for a single person. Not very fair to either employees or employers to pay a wage that doesn't make sense for the cost of living in your area.

This is really just a band-aid and will do nothing more than kick the real problem down the road for future generations to deal with.
 
Without community building efforts, and active reversals of the policies that target Americans (European descent Americans, not niggers) and make the atomisation of their communities inevitable, I think a decent wage is a wasted effort.
This is the precise problem, and why I was talking about how we currently have UBI-minus. That's the "minus" I was talking about: nobody gives a shit about you if you are poor, only if you are poor AND have some disadvantaged minority status.

What will happen if we just raise the minimum wage? The poor slobs who actually do min-wage work will just get their wages leeched to feed an ever-growing welfare state that by and large does not benefit them, and in fact often benefits people who hate them for existing.
 
Yes, do you mind lining up? :wall:
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Pray tell, do you actually work and how much do you make. If you don't live in the US what country do you live in?

I just want the run some numbers.

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He's the worst kind of monster, canadian.
So he is a fucking Leaf?

Cool, the mean average of wages in Canada is $13.06 CAD. Converted to USD that is $10.31 per hour. Now lets introduce some purchasing power parity between the wages. In Canada things cost about 24.4% more than the United States. Such that wage of $10.31 is more like $7.79 in terms of being able to buy stuff. Okay, sure you have socialized medicine and so do we for people make shit wages and I am guessing the quality is probably the same.
 
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