🐱 Five years ago, 'Rogue One' predicted a modern Star Wars problem

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By the time Rogue One: A Star Wars Story hit theaters five years ago, it was already struggling under the weight of substantial expectations. The “standalone” entry into the movie franchise had been rumored for years before Lucasfilm finally confirmed it in 2014 with the news that Godzilladirector Gareth Edwards had signed on to helm the project.

The movie was said to launch a series of movies standing outside the main series. A year later, the title and minor plot details were announced, revealing that the film would fill what some fans had considered a plot hole for decades: How didthe Rebels get the plans for the Death Star before the first movie?

Rogue One promised to be the harbinger of the new Star Wars created by Lucasfilm in the wake of the company being bought by the Walt Disney Company. A new hope, if you will; it would not just be an extension and completion of the storyline started back in the 1977 original movie, but a galaxy of new stories intended to build a new generation of fans. As it turned out, that’s exactly what it turned out to be — but in a very different manner than the way both fans and Lucasfilm executives might have hoped.

Looking back at it from the perspective of the past few years, Rogue One was almost certainly doomed from its conception. Although the movie centers around a cast of new characters, it’s anything but a truly standalone story. If viewed without foreknowledge of the 1977 Star Wars, it ends without an ending, as such, with the Rebels getting the plans but being pursued by an unnamed Darth Vader. And it becomes a pessimistic story about a Macguffin of undefined scope that results in everyone getting killed and the bad guys being mostly triumphant.

That’s hardly the thing to convince newcomers that Star Wars can be an inviting franchise filled with fun stories of derring-do and exciting adventures.

But then, newcomers were never really the point of Rogue One, were they? If that was the case, the movie could have featured the same cast on a similar, if not near-identical, mission in the “current” timeline of the previous year’s Star Wars: The Force Awakens, stealing plans for that movie’s Starkiller Base. (Or, for that matter, any other weapon from the Empire or the First Order.)

As the slavish recreation of the first Star Warsaesthetic made clear, Rogue One was intentionally rooted in fan service and an overwhelming nostalgia for the original trilogy. Worse yet, the downbeat tone of the movie speaks to the same “grim and gritty” attitude that saw multiple comic book heroes placed in “realistic,” depressing storylines in the wake of the success of Watchmenand Batman: The Dark Knight Returns in the mid-1980s.

It was a time when audiences and creators alike attempted to justify their nostalgia by trying to inject the genre with weight and complex morality it was never intended to withstand. It was, very clearly, a movie made by and for fans who’d grown up with the first three films.

Rogue One underscored the fact that Star Wars — a series of movies that had always had one foot in the past — was now being viewed as an extended exercise in maintenance, not creation. Gone was the Art Deco visual influence of the prequel trilogy (or its explicitly political commentary), but in its place was nothing new. It was simply an attempt to recreate the look of three movies from three decades earlier, which were now seemingly considered the definition of what Star Wars was and could be. (Except now, they could be sadder.) What could have been the start of something new was instead a return to minutiae of the past.

There’s another way in which Rogue One proved to be a canary in the coal mine that the Star Warsfranchise eventually became. Years before Phil Lord and Chris Miller were fired from Solo, or original director Colin Trevorrow departed Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, Rogue One was a movie that demonstrated Lucasfilm’s determination to control the moviemaking process to the point of replacing whoever was necessary to ensure the desired effect.

Director Gareth Edwards was famously sidelined as post-production on the movie went on, with uncredited screenwriter Tony Gilroy — who’d written the Bourne movies — given the job of reworking the film considerably. Gilroy wrote and directed new material (including that Darth Vader scene and the movie’s ending) to bring it more in line with what the studio expected. Gilroy famously said that prior to his involvement, the movie was “in terrible trouble,” and the studio recruited him to fix things after Edwards handed in his version.

Far from being the start of a bold new era of Star Wars that would expand the reach of the property to new audiences, Rogue One proved to be the first true indicator of the conservative way Lucasfilm has handled Star Wars since reviving the franchise. It also revealed just how the studio saw the property moving forward and who the target audience for it really was. Years before things ended poorly with Rise of Skywalker, we’d been told everything we needed to know. We just didn’t realize it at the time.
 
This article makes Rogue One out to be an awesome movie. Like if you described this to me back in 2012 when Disney first bought Star Wars, I'd be fucking hyped for anything they made since this sounds like the short of shit I'd want from the franchise.

Too bad a cool ending can't save Rogue One from being in the same dumpster the rest of Disney Star Wars is in.
 
revealing that the film would fill what some fans had considered a plot hole for decades: How didthe Rebels get the plans for the Death Star before the first movie?
That's not a plot hole? Also in the old legends canon wasn't it Kyle Katarn who steals it?
 
A year later, the title and minor plot details were announced, revealing that the film would fill what some fans had considered a plot hole for decades: How didthe Rebels get the plans for the Death Star before the first movie?
Since fucking when was the acquisition of the plans a plot hole?

That's not a plot hole? Also in the old legends canon wasn't it Kyle Katarn who steals it?
Yes, in the Mission of Danuta Kyle and Saren are hired to steal the plans, its also featured in Dark Forces.
 
This article makes Rogue One out to be an awesome movie. Like if you described this to me back in 2012 when Disney first bought Star Wars, I'd be fucking hyped for anything they made since this sounds like the short of shit I'd want from the franchise.

Too bad a cool ending can't save Rogue One from being in the same dumpster the rest of Disney Star Wars is in.
It is the best of the Disney star warses but that’s not saying much
 
One of the first movies where I was actively checking my watch about 40 minutes in.
 
At least this article points the finger at the people who really did burn the franchise to the ground: Disney and Lucasfilm and their over reliance on nostalgia and micromanagement. Not the fanbase at least.
 
I seen Ep IV when it was still just called Star Wars. You read that opening crawl & for fucking years all you wanted to do was SEE what they described. Rouge One did just that unlike the prequels.
I love it. Watched it many times. Zero fucks given.
Disney didn't need a new trilogy. That was a monumental fail. A series of movies would have been just fine.
 
I agree somewhat, the OT has been codified into being “what Star Wars is or can be”. To its detriment. Part of that is anti prequel backlash, and also part of it is the fandom lacking imagination.

Rogue One is passable, I like Solo more actually but that’s my preference.

SW doesn’t have to be OT aesthetics and retreads, but it is because anything else smacks of the prequels to the redlettermedia segment of the fans and because Disney-Lucasfilm despite injecting SJW-ism galore are fundamentally conservative when it comes to taking narrative risk for the IP.

Honestly, I’d rather see the franchise just die as it’s clearly past any sort of cultural relevancy and has become too tainted by the culture wars to ever be enjoyable again.
 
Rogue One is literally the only Disney Star Wars movie that's halfway worth a damn. Franchises like Star Wars are at their best when the people making the movies are trying hard to do right by the die hard fans, because ultimately it's the fans who will decide if the franchise continues to be successful. And when you try to alienate the fans by "subverting expectations" and calling the fans all kinds of horrible names because they don't like the sloppy, lazy, political lecturing you've introduced into their favorite franchise, then they stop giving you their money and you no longer have a successful license to print money. Properties like Star Wars need to be captained by creators who passionately love the property, people like Dave Feloni and John Favreau. The kind of people who will go to extreme lengths to make sure everything is canonically accurate and have an autistic attention to detail.
 
That's not a plot hole? Also in the old legends canon wasn't it Kyle Katarn who steals it?
Yeah, these people don’t really know or care what words mean. They never have. To them the established meaning of words is something intended to be changed for their convenience. They do not care for or understand history and that is why they are doomed to repeat it and fail.
 
Disney is too conservative :story:

Translation: Rogue One didn't have enough pansexual robot fucking niggers or dangerhairs like Solo

What, Solo did worse and is considered way worse than Rogue One? Well fuck you sweaty manchild bigots
 
I'd argue Episode 7 is the best of the Disney Star wars, but then again TFA is basically a soft-reboot of A new hope.
It doomed the sequel trilogy though. It set up a lot of ideas that JJ had no answers to. He also choose not to use any of the EU, he could’ve if he wanted to, but he’s lazy. It might have been some work to read Wookiepedia rather than pull something out of his ass, but it would’ve given everyone that came after him a rough idea of what to do and where to go. It didn’t have to be 1:1 with the EU, just take some cool and memorable bits. Mandalorian at least had some fun. Shame it’s ruined by the sequels.

TLDR Jon Favreau should’ve done the sequels and JJ is 110% a hack.
 
"Plot hole" = "I am not given the very specific details of the background and I have no imagination to simply fill in the blanks that aren't that important."

Is it really that necessary for us to know WHERE and WHO trained Bruce Wayne to become Batman? Sure, it makes a good story, but when I was a kid, I only assumed he probably, being rich, had the ways to find secret societies and groups to teach him and help him. When Batman Begins happened and people said "ah! we finally know...", I thought "well, I didn't know but I was (somehow) right."

It is a problem that people are this bad at reading comprehension and need metaphors and allegories being explained (hence, the needs for sequels and prequels). Even kids understand "once upon a time" means "so long ago that it really doesn't matter, what matters is the story".
 
I watched every one of the new Star Wars movies in theaters. The theater I prefer to visit has services that bring you booze on command. Over the years, I’ve learned that I gauge how much I enjoy a movie by how little I drink during it, because if the movie sucks at least I’ll get fucking drunk and make fun of the situation.

Rogue One is really the only one I remember, and I still wouldn’t go as far as to say that it was a good movie. Every time I was about to check out and order another drink, there was a bombastic set piece that held my attention for a bit.
 
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