US First Democratic Debates - Night one discussion ends at pg41

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Welcome to day 2 of the democratic primary debates, tonight will feature:

Joe Biden, former vice president, establishment choice and likes to sniff women


Andrew Yang, entrepreneur and reddit incarnate


Bernie Sanders, senator from Vermont


Marianne Williamson, self-help author and totally wacko


Pete Buttigieg, homo mayor of South Bend, Ind.


Michael Bennet, senator from Colorado


Kamala Harris, senator from California


John Hickenlooper, former governor of Colorado and watched "Deep Throat" with his mom in theaters when he was 20yo


Kirsten Gillibrand, senator from New York and #MeToo internet activist


Eric Swalwell, representative from California


Bernie prestream: https://live.berniesanders.com/
NBC livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX7hni-zGD8
Backup stream:

A new poll will be posted after the debates are done (without Trump this time for clarification), polling result from the first night:


Thanks to @Top Skink for getting the party started

 

[Superman93]

And she's the only Democrat running in 2020 who is even remotely reasonable, rational, or respectable.

Even with her past in a Hare Krishna cult taken into account, she is still the most qualified candidate in the clown car.

Hell, I'd vote for her if she actually had a chance at the primaries or general election. Unfortunately, neither the neoliberal DNC establishment nor the SJW woke-meisters want her at all and will do everything they can to screw her over.

I'd rather have Tulsi than Biden, Kamala, Bernie, Warren, or even Yang.

To be honest I'm gonna vote for her no matter what. I'm done cucking to the regressive wing of the Democratic party. I don't care how much of the entire left is against me. I'll loose, but I wont go down without at least attempting to establish some sense of rationale in the DNC and I'm not doing it for partisan fuckery either. I'm doing it because I know my fellow Americans needs a leader who is respectable, isn't an exceptional individual, and always has their best interest in heart.

And to any other fellow capital D kiwi's here, aren't you tired of being having other people thrusting nonsensical socio-economical policies at you? Aren't you tired of their constant condescending attitudes towards you? Aren't you tired of the endless pandering to you just because of the color of your skin? Aren't you tired of just being seen as political capital? Aren't you tired of the completely autistic SJW talking points being thrusted upon you as if it was the holy gospel or some shit? Aren't you fucking tired of losing, especially to a man who gets he's politics from a network who literally thought a hacker name "4chan" was exploding random abandon vans? We used to have democratic wall of states ready to vote for Democratic for 8 years because the DNC was the party of the people. Now the DNC is the party of Hypocrites, pathological liars, and ideological Zealots who preach endless platitudes about what they stand for. Isn't it time we show them what we won't stand for?

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

In this regard, we are looking at a situation that will make the blowout of 2016 look fucking gentle in contrast.

2016 wasn't a blow out. Thanks to central and south america and identity politics landslide elections are a thing of the past. All wins will be narrow wins. More and more the popular vote and electoral vote results will disagree with each other. It's gonna be ugly for some time.

 

[Jaimas]

And to any other fellow capital D kiwi's here, aren't you tired of being having other people thrusting nonsensical socio-economical policies at you? Aren't you tired of their constant condescending attitudes towards you? Aren't you tired of the endless pandering to you just because of the color of your skin? Aren't you tired of just being seen as political capital? Aren't you tired of the completely autistic SJW talking points being thrusted upon you as if it was the holy gospel or some shit? Aren't you fucking tired of losing, especially to a man who gets he's politics from a network who literally thought a hacker name "4chan" was exploding random abandon vans? We used to have democratic wall of states ready to vote for Democratic for 8 years because the DNC was the party of the people. Now the DNC is the party of Hypocrites, pathological liars, and ideological Zealots who preach endless platitudes about what they stand for. Isn't it time we show them what we won't stand for?

Their meltdowns over Trump and acting like the voterbase is children who cannot be trusted to make its own decisions are nothing new. They did this in 2008 as well when Obama cinched the nomination, and @AnOminous can back me up with how hard they chimped at the time. Hillary's supporters were enraged by the fact that this uppity negro had cinched the nomination, and many fired from the hip with rants that wouldn't have gone amiss on /pol/. It was fucking hilarious, and some outrageous examples of quality sperg-rage.

Thing is, that let me realize something: The progtards will not negotiate. They didn't in 2008, they didn't in 2016, and they won't in 2020. If they don't get absolutely everything they want, they'll chimp until you concede, and if you don't, they'll keep at it, looking worse and worse, until they get BTFO.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Thing is, that let me realize something: The progtards will not negotiate. They didn't in 2008, they didn't in 2016, and they won't in 2020. If they don't get absolutely everything they want, they'll chimp until you concede, and if you don't, they'll keep at it, looking worse and worse, until they get BTFO.

It's in the nature of authoritarians. Thus ever for tyrants.

 

[spiritofamermaid]

Their meltdowns over Trump and acting like the voterbase is children who cannot be trusted to make its own decisions are nothing new. They did this in 2008 as well when Obama cinched the nomination, and @AnOminous can back me up with how hard they chimped at the time. Hillary's supporters were enraged by the fact that this uppity negro had cinched the nomination, and many fired from the hip with rants that wouldn't have gone amiss on /pol/. It was fucking hilarious, and some outrageous examples of quality sperg-rage.

Thing is, that let me realize something: The progtards will not negotiate. They didn't in 2008, they didn't in 2016, and they won't in 2020. If they don't get absolutely everything they want, they'll chimp until you concede, and if you don't, they'll keep at it, looking worse and worse, until they get BTFO.

Do these chimp outs still exist somewhere where I could read them? Because I would love to.

 

[Basil II]

How's that go? "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
Tulsi is the best of a bad bunch, its true.



Transfreaks have a right to fuck your kids, is how the insane SJWs define it.

"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
You're welcome, Bulgarians.

 

[Ledian]

Thing is, that let me realize something: The progtards will not negotiate. They didn't in 2008, they didn't in 2016, and they won't in 2020. If they don't get absolutely everything they want, they'll chimp until you concede, and if you don't, they'll keep at it, looking worse and worse, until they get BTFO.

They never have negotiated in history if you look back on it. It's either their way or nothing else.
Weimar Germany is the perfect example of this. Communists and Socialists were causing so much a ruckus that that the government had to give the Freikorps free reign to knock their teeth in. In part, their unwillingness to accept that people aren't wholly into the the whole being a communist state thing played a part in why the NSDAP grew in popularity from a fringe, no-name party to one with the power to at least form a coalition government and shove in a representative into the government uppermost executive position outside Chancellor. One Adolf Hitler to be exact.

 

[Jaimas]

Do these chimp outs still exist somewhere where I could read them? Because I would love to.

It absolutely does, and even the Progressives mocked these asshats. They never really went away after 2008. The funniest such cluster of such tards were the PUMA crowd, who got themselves banned from many left-wing communities en masse (Dailykos in particular is hilarious).

Here's the not-completely-insane Progressive take on it, openly making fun of how racist they were.

 

[Matthew216]

How's that go? "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
Tulsi is the best of a bad bunch, its true.



Transfreaks have a right to fuck your kids, is how the insane SJWs define it.

I just had a horrible idea. Two trans people walking into a hospital, and pulling some newborn baby out of their crib and claim it's their's. The judge sides with them do to some strange new law. I hope we never get to that point.

…...………………..

 

[thx1138]

I have said it before, and I will say it again: since 2000, the D's, even when in the White House, even when they have had majorities, have had their minds set on one thing: revenge. Vengeance, and that's all. Not a single fucking domestic policy thought up by them has been based on anything but "punish those who didn't vote for us". Even health-care. Of course, Obama the Empty Suit was such a dimwitted technocrat so in love with his own farts he let the banks and insurance company lawyers come up with "ObamaCare" but even so, it was about punishing people. Chicago politics in action. He called local cops "stupid". He sent his pickanniny gunrunning pal down to Florida to try and railroad a hispanic dude who was sick of having his fat melon pummeled. He used executive fiat like people use wet naps at a BBQ place. The Man From the Party of Muh Russia Investigation leaned over and told Medeved or whatever Putin's parliamentary puppet's name was, "Once I'm reelected I'll have more latitude," but because Barry was their guy, and was part of their master revenge plan, they let it slide.

That's all they have, and all they have had, for nineteen years now: revenge based policies.

 

[AGreatDipAtAFairPrice]

I don't remember the moderators asking if Tulsi Gabbard put plants in the audience or not, but what a stupid question. Like the DNC and their media allies would let Tulsi Gabbard of all people spike their punch bowl. Kamala Harris is the one who had plants, if anybody did.

 

[Cubanodun]

From my perspective all of this was a fucking shitshow, you do that kind of thing here and every single one of them will be branded as clowns, the Democrats forgot that people vote for PRACTICAL reasons, giving "reproductive rights" to a trans is not "PRACTICAL", offering free healthcare without telling from where they are going to get the money was another red flag, they did not even bother talking about economy that is what people actually care because is the aspect of the government that consequences people actually feel, but no, pure and undiluted garbage that the average joe doesn't care

Unless Trump decide to nuke Europe i dont think he has any chance of losing, im more mad that Bernie is there, he is a Chavizta on disguise, if i were the democratic party i will unperson him ASAP, nothing good come from having those parasites nearby

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I don't remember the moderators asking if Tulsi Gabbard put plants in the audience or not, but what a stupid question. Like the DNC and their media allies would let Tulsi Gabbard of all people spike their punch bowl. Kamala Harris is the one who had plants, if anybody did.

In any case it's also a stupid question because anyone that would be able to put a bunch of plants in the audience wouldn't be stupid enough to say "Oh yeah, I put plants here to cheer for me."

 

[2WokeB4BrainPills]

What the fuck has become of the left when they want a prosecutor, the very symbol of injustice of the state to be the state? Fuck me. Where does she rank in the Intersectional Olympics, putting black men away for weed? Shouldn't she be called an uncle Tom? Oh no, she's against Trump so it's all ok now.

You are right of course, prosecutors are often some of the most unjust elements of our justice system. I honestly haven't looked much into her beyond knowing about her affair with Willie Brown, but that alone tells you everything you need to know. She typifies the worst of them: 100% striver, hyper-ambitious, win-at-all-costs, even at the cost of slobberin Willie's willie. If she's stooped to that she's crushed little people and made numerous dirty deals to get where she is, all without a second thought. No coincidence she was Clinton's chosen, they're birds of a feather and she's clearly made some promises.

For the left actions don't matter, only identity matters, and she checks several important identity boxes.

Well... I say that, but if you fall from grace then actions matter a whole bunch. After that a long list of all your naughty actions will magically start appearing in the media, as Uncle Joe is finding out.

It absolutely does, and even the Progressives mocked these asshats. They never really went away after 2008. The funniest such cluster of such tards were the PUMA crowd, who got themselves banned from many left-wing communities en masse (Dailykos in particular is hilarious).

Here's the not-completely-insane Progressive take on it, openly making fun of how racist they were.

This was an interesting read, thanks. It's nice to see glimpses of lucidity from the left, rare as they are. Although funny that they think Obama just... magically rode into town and just whooped her cause he was so durn naturally talented.

Yeah, no. Nothing about the DNC isn't decided from the top, as 2016 should have made clear to all. The majority of the string pullers and money-men in 2008 voted 'no confidence" in Hilldawg 4 president. Even then they knew she sucked at campaigning, so they found a pliable empty suit who could speak well and put out the marching orders that he was gonna be the one.

 

[AGreatDipAtAFairPrice]

I didn't know what PUMA stood for before that article but I do know it got backronymed to "Party Unity My Ass." 25 percent of people that voted for Hillary Clinton in the primary voted for John McCain or third party in 2008, the rate of desertion for the "Bernie Bros" was a little bit under half that at 12 percent. I'm wondering if the progressives get burned again and smell a rat and the fix is in, if there isn't a Party Unity My Ass movement to stay home or vote third party comparable to the first wave PUMAs? That was speculated in 2016 but didn't come to pass in 2016, what do you suppose the likelihood of that happening in 2020 is?

 

[Slimy Time]

Both debates were a complete and utter joke. A complete meme factory. Between Beto and his constant Spanish, which is not only an obvious attempt to pander and LARP to latinos, but downright insulting, to the absolute disaster of a performance by their leading man, Joe Biden, a guy who got smoked by Swalwell of all people with his "pass the torch" putdown, as well as Kamala ripping him a new one, to allegations and strong evidence of bias and mic muting of outlier candidates like Yang, the party might as well just throw in the towel and give Trump another 4 years. They are a fucking cult and some of the biggest piles of lying scum you have ever seen on television.

 

[Jaimas]

This was an interesting read, thanks. It's nice to see glimpses of lucidity from the left, rare as they are. Although funny that they think Obama just... magically rode into town and just whooped her cause he was so durn naturally talented.

Yeah, no. Nothing about the DNC isn't decided from the top, as 2016 should have made clear to all. The majority of the string pullers and money-men in 2008 voted 'no confidence" in Hilldawg 4 president. Even then they knew she sucked at campaigning, so they found a pliable empty suit who could speak well and put out the marching orders that he was gonna be the one.

You're spot on. A lot of people fail to notice that the DNC has always done this. Ask anyone who backed Howard Dean. But what we've been seeing recently, where just everything is blatant and obvious? That's new, and that started in 2008. The DNC has always been a corrupt shit-show, but things got interesting that year. The Clinton war machine was making it clear Hillary intended to run for president back in 2002, when she ran for Senator, and likewise making it abundantly clear that anyone who ran against her was going to be crushed in the same electoral cycle. Considering that she was the darling of the DNC, she should have cruised to victory, but that's not what happened in practice - she was easily the single-least-popular Democrat of the initial spread, and the same year she was running there was someone far more charismatic, just as useful to the establishment, and with actual populist support, so Hillary herself got Dean'd.

If there has ever been a need to demonstrate why the entire leadership of the DNC deserves to be strapped to a wall and shot, it's been the last decade and a half.

 

[AF 802]

Left, right whatever, we can all agree the debates are just a dumpster fire in general. Holy shit, I couldn't even watch it without getting tired of everyone yelling over each other. I think I might just be tired of politics in general at this point, fuck.

 

[HeyYou]

I'm surprised Bernie's shills are seething so badly and defending him. These news corps may be neolib shills but he was absolutely destroyed with the "that's a direct quote" line.

 

[AGreatDipAtAFairPrice]

President Trump's re-election chances are at their highest ever according to the prediction websites and the gambling books after the debate fiasco. Debates are scheduled for July, September, October, November, December with January to April TBA. The democrats haven't seemed to schedule too many debates. It seemed like every third week there was a Republican one, just debate after debate after debate, but they appear to be hiding themselves.

The first caucuses don't happen until February so they have more than ample time to beclown themselves. I don't think time is on their side. They could win with one of these candidates as Generic Left-Wing Option but its more than a year out and the whole slate looks like weirdos and stooges right now already, so imagine what people will be thinking about them after another 6 or 7 debates?