US First Democratic Debates - Night one discussion ends at pg41

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Welcome to day 2 of the democratic primary debates, tonight will feature:

Joe Biden, former vice president, establishment choice and likes to sniff women


Andrew Yang, entrepreneur and reddit incarnate


Bernie Sanders, senator from Vermont


Marianne Williamson, self-help author and totally wacko


Pete Buttigieg, homo mayor of South Bend, Ind.


Michael Bennet, senator from Colorado


Kamala Harris, senator from California


John Hickenlooper, former governor of Colorado and watched "Deep Throat" with his mom in theaters when he was 20yo


Kirsten Gillibrand, senator from New York and #MeToo internet activist


Eric Swalwell, representative from California


Bernie prestream: https://live.berniesanders.com/
NBC livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX7hni-zGD8
Backup stream:

A new poll will be posted after the debates are done (without Trump this time for clarification), polling result from the first night:


Thanks to @Top Skink for getting the party started

 

[MrLobe]

Their decision to have the debate moderated by a twerking child drag queen was a strange one, though.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Even though that's the way it is in practice, by regulation- she was in violation. And whether we are active or reserve or Nasty Guard- we all were following the same regs. If nothing else, it could not only show her lack of discipline and an exceptional case of insubordination- but could also reflect the incompetence of her own leadership as well and they could find themselves in an inquiry regarding the sort of climate that their leadership created.

For enlisted dudes, that's an ass-chewing and maybe a summarized article 15, field grade at worst- nothing you can't recover from. For a senior officer, that's career suicide.

Her commanding units JAG and inspector general are kept in the loop of what she is up too. Elected officials also being in the Guards or Reserve is not as uncommon as you might think. She can do what we she wants in her capacity and an elected official or candidate. The big no no would be putting on her uniform and doing it. Or using assets from her own unit to assist it

 

[TrippinKahlua]

What happened to Pete Buttegieg? Or whatever his name is.

How come gay high profile people have names even gayer? Greg Louganis and now this.

 

[CamelCursive]

Her commanding units JAG and inspector general are kept in the loop of what she is up too. Elected officials also being in the Guards or Reserve is not as uncommon as you might think. She can do what we she wants in her capacity and an elected official or candidate. The big no no would be putting on her uniform and doing it. Or using assets from her own unit to assist it

I don't know if you're up to speed on the current regs, but in the last year- military personnel can't disrespect any elected official. And they don't have to be in uniform for it to count.

And JAG and IG scrutinizing a Major that also happens to be a Congresswoman that can absolutely torpedo their careers and make their lives a living hell sounds about as fair and impartial as Youtube's community content policies.

 

[Piss Clam]

I'm registered unaffiliated and I'm one of the many independents you have to whoo. I don't like the Democratic party leadership or the Republican party leadership and I will never belong to those parties.

Having said that I like Tulsi Gabbard, but lets be honest trump is most likely going to be reelected as the DNC doesn't know its ass from its head.

The DNC in my opinion is such a cluster fuck and whoever is the front runner will be ripped apart.

 

[Sanshain]

All this debate did was convince me Dems in general want the US to be a Mexican colony and also that Tulsi Gabbard is a milfy angel descended from on high.

Honestly I kind of want her to win the nominee and potentially the Presidency just so we can see Hillary hate-smile at the colored person who managed to get all the voters she managed to alienate. I think that would legitimately make her more furious than if Trump won a second term.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

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What's wrong with the dude in the middle's face?

Little Bits...

So the dem debates were obviously just a sideshow. The real show was @Ashy the Angel vs making any goddamn sense. I'd say there were no winners, but the smouldering rubble could be seen as an improvement.

I'm really not sure where I am going with that analogy.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

Seeing quite a bit of sperging on Twitter accusing Tulsi of either being involved withe Russians or Russian bots boosting her search results.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I don't know if you're up to speed on the current regs, but in the last year- military personnel can't disrespect any elected official. And they don't have to be in uniform for it to count.

And JAG and IG scrutinizing a Major that also happens to be a Congresswoman that can absolutely torpedo their careers and make their lives a living hell sounds about as fair and impartial as Youtube's community content policies.

There are memos and waivers for every regulation under the sun. Military regs read like the tax code and if enforced completely means everyone in uniform breaks one somewhere at sometime. In the case of a member of the Federal Congress also in the Guards, i would expect there is a waiver or an implied waiver to what is otherwise pretty strict restrictions on political activity. Most likely she has written counseling statements from her commanding officer. And thus, regulations are satisified and she can call Trump an ineffectual moron all day if she wishes too, so long as she does it as a congressman and not a soldier.

 

[FitBitch]

Okay I caught up with this this morning. Why did they keep trying to speak Spanish? It's alienating to the majority of their audience and condescending, transparent pandering to the Spanish speaking portion I'm sure they were hoping to impress. Like fuck off.

(It wasn't even good Spanish)

 

[Man of the Sea]

I'm registered unaffiliated and I'm one of the many independents you have to whoo. I don't like the Democratic party leadership or the Republican party leadership and I will never belong to those parties.

Having said that I like Tulsi Gabbard, but lets be honest trump is most likely going to be reelected as the DNC doesn't know its ass from its head.

The DNC in my opinion is such a cluster fuck and whoever is the front runner will be ripped apart.

I thought Tulsi was ok until she mentioned that we were on the edge of nuclear war. Like bitch, are you for real?

Also, her retarded comments on Joe Rogan about Trump trade policies possibly leading to nuclear war with China made me laugh so hard that I thought she was a special kind of retarded.

 

[FitBitch]

I thought Tulsi was ok until she mentioned that we were on the edge of nuclear war. Like bitch, are you for real?

Also, her exceptional comments on Joe Rogan about Trump policies possibly leading to nuclear war with China made me laugh so hard that I thought she was exceptional.

Fear is a tool to this party if tyrants. We only have 12 years before the planet becomes uninhabitable, all out jobs are going to disappear, our country is run by LIDURRALLY Hitler LIDURRALLY running concentration camps on out border, and nuclear war is on the horizon.

I'm convinced Dems don't know how to speak to an audience without trying to scare them as a persuasion tactic.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Seeing quite a bit of sperging on Twitter accusing Tulsi of either being involved withe Russians or Russian bots boosting her search results.

That's a weird way to spell "4chan spergs posting her bikini pics" boosting her search results.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Fear is a tool to this party if tyrants. We only have 12 years before the planet becomes uninhabitable, all out jobs are going to disappear, our country is run by LIDURRALLY Hitler LIDURRALLY running concentration camps on out border, and nuclear war is on the horizon.

I'm convinced Dems don't know how to speak to an audience without trying to scare them as a persuasion tactic.

Conservatism is strangely more optimistic.

 

[Man of the Sea]

Conservatism is strangely more optimistic.

Conservatism is optimistic because conservatives in general believe that they live in the greatest country, regardless of who is president. Liberals these days think every other country that they visited for a week is somehow better than the US in every way.

 

[CamelCursive]

Fear is a tool to this party if tyrants. We only have 12 years before the planet becomes uninhabitable, all out jobs are going to disappear, our country is run by LIDURRALLY Hitler LIDURRALLY running concentration camps on out border, and nuclear war is on the horizon.

I'm convinced Dems don't know how to speak to an audience without trying to scare them as a persuasion tactic.

"Well now Titus, why you wanna hurt Massa by leavin' the plantation to be a 'free man'? You can't read or work a job, you'll starve without a home to lay your head. Why they might even lynch you if they catch you! Why don't you just stay here at the plantation with Massa so I can take care 'a you."

 

[PN 801]

Conservatism is strangely more optimistic.

Left is the new evangelicals of 21st century. Rapture is near. Repent.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Conservatism is strangely more optimistic.

In the US conservatism tends to based on 'Judeo Christian' values. Those say that man is a fallen creature and hence not perfectible but that free will is important. So conservatives tend to think if there's a government which isn't doing too much damage private enterprise will make people more prosperous. You don't get utopia but you might get a few percent GDP growth which tends to make people pretty optimistic about the future.

Meanwhile on the left it's not like this at all. Marxists believed capitalism would inevitably collapse due to the tendency of the rate of profit to fall and the tendency for the working classes to be immiserated. Once neither of those turned out to be true the left turned to environmentalism which says that unchecked capitalism will destroy the environment. In each case the only solution is a large government and central planning. The left also tends to believe the right is full of crypto fascists who will abolish democracy given a chance. Unless the left is in power they are convinced doom is just around the corner. On the other hand the left are more skeptical of free will and do believe in the perfectibility of man. The modern left is also strongly elitist - they think a vanguard class of people educated in left wing ideology should manipulate the masses to utopia. You can see that in the way that Google's employees want to manipulate search results in order to stop 2020 working out like 2016.

I actually think the right needs to be more careful. If the Democrats get in an amnesty all the illegals then it will be very hard for the GOP to win again. If they pack the Supreme Court then they'd be able to impose their agenda from there, bypassing Congress in the way that they got gay marriage legalised. Hell even the moves they're making in to kick conservatives off social media are dangerous. The broadcast and print media is very left dominated - only 7% of journalists are Republicans. If they can purge all the conservatives off the new media that gives them an advantage there. And in the long run the new media will be the only media because print and broadcast aren't all that profitable in the long run. Of course it could well be the left's gay ops in new media will backfire against them, just like the old media's attempt to smear Trump did. And I suppose you could argue that getting an amnesty through Congress requires more than a simple majority because of filibusters. Still the Democrats could abolish that. Or they could pack the Supreme Court and push an amnesty from there.

The right needs to be a bit less optimistic I reckon.

tl;dr the right's short term optimism is actually based on long term pessimism.

It's also pretty striking that the Alt Right are pessimists because they think that Demographics Equals Destiny and the demographics are not on their side. Mind you they're not on the 'muh Judeo Christian values' train. And, arguably, they're not actually conservatives. I think trying to impose an 'ethnostate' would be even more disastrous than trying to impose Marxism Leninism, but I do sympathise with them on the demographics argument. Time is not on the side of the right, whether that right is small state libertarians, slightly larger state Judeo Christian values Republicans or large (ethno)state Alt Right types.

 

[V0dka]

Conservatism is strangely more optimistic.

I wouldn't call it optimism, I'd call it realism.

Humans could've blown up everything heaps of times. The big boys upstairs don't want get nuked to hell and never get smashed on coke and bang their harem of sex slaves ever again, get real. I mean, they'll fuck with you as much as they like, but they don't want their mansions and summer lodges in the South of France blown up. They still want their toys.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

Taxpayer money is used for the military. Its used for the police and firefighters as well. In arguing for it to not be used for healthcare you're saying all these other things shouldn't be taxpayer funded as well. I don't want taxpayer money to take care of me. I want it to take care of everyone. Singlepayer means even your dumbass would have access to it. I'd be perfectly fine diverting money from the military to do this.

You're absolutely right. The ambulance has to pick you up. But you're purposefully ignoring the fact that you'll still get billed after receiving that life-saving care.

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And I'm glad free clinics exist. But they're doing a job that the government should be doing on a much larger scale. The fact that some communities have a neighborhood watch doesn't mean police departments shouldn't exist.

A doctor's primary concern when treating a patient shouldn't be how much fucking money they're going to make. It should be providing the best care and saving lives. Doctors should be paid by the government, the same way police and other public services are. Is your average police officer's primary concern when doing their job chasing a paycheck? Monetary gain should not be the endgoal for healthcare and its fucked up that right now it ostensibly is. Saving lives shouldn't be a for-profit industry plagues with predatory insurance companies.
And I want to enact change in America, because I was born here and I want things to be better HERE.

I would want anybody that can do the job well to be able to serve. Not every trans person experiences dysphoria or seeks to undergo gender reassignment surgery. The ban is utterly pointless and is purely political. And "the ban stops me from raping people" is not the sterling defense you think it is.

End private prisons. Private prisons use prison labor and thus have an incentive to keep a "healthy" population of people in jail regardless of offense.

I want people to be able to lose the ability to purchase weapons if they commit crimes like domestic abuse. Also institute a buyback of weapons that fit the definition of an assault style weapon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

Not enforcing the laws, changing them to reflect the current reality of immigration from Central America.

Not really. In several states you can still be fired for being trans or even gay.

Employees Can Be Fired for Being LGBTQ in 26 States. Will the Supreme Court Make That Even Worse? (Updated) - Rewire.News

The Court is considering taking three cases that ask whether Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects against sexual orientation or gender identity discrimination.

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Are taxes "stealing"?

It doesn't really matter what the fuck somebody chooses to do with a degree. Education to me means more than what you can immediately turn around and put back into the country.

Americans are the ones who will enact change, not your stereotypes.

I meant the analogy in relation to excusing Trump's past discriminatory practices. If all you can say to defend it is "well other people are racist too" that's not much of a defense.

Do me a favor @Ashy the Angel and never change your profile picture. That will make it much easier to continue scrolling past your retarded opinions on shit you don't understand, thanks.