Fire Relief Fund

[qld]

I'll just go to my bank. I think they charge like $5. I'm footing the bill when it comes to shipping and misc fees like this so don't worry.

I thought Postal Money Orders were most reliable for acceptance on the receiver's end. Plus, they are cheap. I heard bank money orders were often counterfeited, so there are delays in cashing them on the other end. Heard Wal-Mart gets counterfeited a lot too, but if yours is a genuine Wal-Mart purchase, at least Chris's Wal-Mart will be able to tell it's not a fake. Just like the Post Office can tell about their own.

 

[DustyR]

they feel guilty for laughing at Chris and especially for speculating that 14BC may one day go up in smoke and kill all the inhabitants within. Mr Jeff Goldblum himself speculated not a few days before the incident how a devastating fire would probably get started at 14BC and his comments ended up being eerily prophetic. So they donate to make themselves feel better. Given that we have a few religious types donating here, such an assumption is not unreasonable.

I know it is not your intent to single me out with this post, it is an example and I get that, but I do want to point out that I did not contribute to the fund out of troll's remorse or anything of the sort just because I contributed a lengthy hypothesis to the then-inevitable fire. Yes, I did feel a bit strangely knowing that literally 14 hours before the fire I made a post where I suggested the combination of faulty wiring and a small appliance would result in such an event. Many people who contributed to that thread at that time shared similar feelings.

I also did not donate for the sake of seeing my name in lights or to "get" anything in return, notoriety, content, or otherwise. I am a nobody in the grand scope of things here; I'm here to continue spectating just as I've done for a very long time; I've lurked ED and the CWCki under many names. I feel a bit antsy that my name is in the OP of the thread, since when I donated via PayPal I said "this is JeffGoldblumIRL, but I'd like to be credited as Anonymous". At the time, I would have been the only anonymous contribution on the list (and second highest only to the $50 donation). Null had a lot going on and stopped at the username in my message, I'm okay with that and I didn't want to make a scene so I let it run its course. I don't demonstrate charity for the photo op that comes with it.

The real reason I donated is because I was very recently in Chris' new position. I was once homeless; I alluded to this in a previous post. For 14 months I did not have a permanent place to call home, but I got something that 99.9% of the people in my position never, ever get: a break. I never gave up, I landed a job interview with a very respectable company after using what little funds I had to buy textbooks from the used bookstore and borrowed some nice clothes from a friend. I fought my way to a good job and now I have a place to live and I have food in my pantry. I am still swamped with debts and bills accrued from my transience, but I still wanted to contribute to Chris' fund because when I was at my worst and I didn't have a place to live there weren't that many people I could turn to for help. I wanted Chris to know that when it feels like the whole fucking world has turned its back on you that there is STILL some good out there and it's never worth it to give up or admit defeat.

Yeah, it's Christian "mmmyeah I'll think about it *inaction*" Chandler. If he and Barb turn over a new leaf then I'd be really happy for the two of them. If he instead blows the $40 on vidya and junk food then at least in some form my contribution was able to give him some form of fleeting happiness. I want him to find comfort in whichever way he feels suitable.

(I apologize for the tl;dr and for breaking my pseudo-character here.)

You sound like an inspirational young man. Never give up on your dreams.

 

[DustyR]

- Monday: I'm also probably going to stop by a local office supplies area and print out a Sonichu themed note accrediting the donation to "Loyal Sonichu Fans". I think this carries the lowest risk of having the box thrown away in paranoia.

You might want to, in the note you include, have a section specifically to Barb. Chris's paranoia might get the best of him but there's no way his mother will let him dispose of anything until she's inspected it all. If she's referenced in the note explaining what this is and why, she may be able to talk to / bully him into accepting it more easily. It'll make make her feel included and that this is for "The Chandlers", not just for her weird son and his feud.

Perhaps you should have two packages, one for Christian and one for Barbara. The more important items could go into the one for Barbara (gift cards, money order), and Christian's could contain things specifically for him. My only concern would be if he didn't give Barbara her section.

 

[Himawari]

I'll just go to my bank. I think they charge like $5. I'm footing the bill when it comes to shipping and misc fees like this so don't worry.

I thought Postal Money Orders were most reliable for acceptance on the receiver's end. Plus, they are cheap. I heard bank money orders were often counterfeited, so there are delays in cashing them on the other end. Heard Wal-Mart gets counterfeited a lot too, but if yours is a genuine Wal-Mart purchase, at least Chris's Wal-Mart will be able to tell it's not a fake. Just like the Post Office can tell about their own.

At the bank I worked at we never gave money orders any holds longer than a normal check would get (ie. $200 next business day, the rest the business day after that). We got notices if there were counterfeit money orders going around and how to spot them (though they were always counterfeits of bank money orders, never Western Union ones, and ALWAYS super-easy to spot), but other than being vigilant as always we were never informed of any risk to accepting money orders.

EDIT: WAIT YOU DID SPECIFY BANK MONEY ORDERS hahaha I'm dumb, whatever enjoy more of my bank sperging

 

[Greg Sestero]

The thing about a relief fund is that it goes to help people who have legitimate expenses, and have become unable to pay for them due to circumstances beyond their control. A guy loses his house in a flood and is trying to keep his kids in school - that kind of thing.

Chris has absolutely no legitimate expenses, and has now become unable to pay for porn due to circumstances entirely within his control. If it were the case that their current income is insufficient even to feed the Chandlers, then it would be appropriate to donate something to them. But most people are assuming that the Chandlers are still engaging in discretionary spending; we're trying to second-guess them and tardproof our charity so that it doesn't get sucked into a pit of porn and the beginnings of a second Hoard. But if Chris is spending a certain amount of money on food, and some other amount on junk he doesn't need, then whatever food we give him will only give him the means to spend his usual food budget on junk.

The ways in which he can spend a gift card may be limited, but the ways in which he can spend his tugboat are not. If Chris get a hundred dollar donation which can only be redeemed for canned food, that gives him a hundred dollars of the tugboat's food budget for him to spend however he wants. If the Chandlers can be said to be spending money in two different categories - necessary and discretionary - then adding to the first category just frees up tugboat for the second category.

 

[A-Stump]

The thing about a relief fund is that it goes to help people who have legitimate expenses, and have become unable to pay for them due to circumstances beyond their control. A guy loses his house in a flood and is trying to keep his kids in school - that kind of thing.

Chris has absolutely no legitimate expenses, and has now become unable to pay for porn due to circumstances entirely within his control. If it were the case that their current income is insufficient even to feed the Chandlers, then it would be appropriate to donate something to them. But most people are assuming that the Chandlers are still engaging in discretionary spending; we're trying to second-guess them and tardproof our charity so that it doesn't get sucked into a pit of porn and the beginnings of a second Hoard. But if Chris is spending a certain amount of money on food, and some other amount on junk he doesn't need, then whatever food we give him will only give him the means to spend his usual food budget on junk.

The ways in which he can spend a gift card may be limited, but the ways in which he can spend his tugboat are not. If Chris get a hundred dollar donation which can only be redeemed for canned food, that gives him a hundred dollars of the tugboat's food budget for him to spend however he wants. If the Chandlers can be said to be spending money in two different categories - necessary and discretionary - then adding to the first category just frees up tugboat for the second category.

Oh you've done it now. Don't use logic. Or tell people how to best waste their money. They don't like it and you're basically talking up a tree.

 

[Greg Sestero]

Oh you've done it now. Don't use logic. Or tell people how to best waste their money. They don't like it and you're basically talking up a tree.

Yeah, I figured. It still bears saying. Honestly, it might be the case that the Chandlers are struggling to pay for essentials - I have no idea what their financial obligations might be at the moment, although past experience tells us that Chris only accepts obligations under extreme duress and then doesn't honor them. Or maybe you figure that Chris and Barb should get a break, and deserve some extra cash to start a new Hoard.

But what a lot of people are saying instead is, "Chris spends some money on food, and some money on toys, but if we give him food, he won't be able to buy more toys." That displays a worrisome extent of ignorance (willful or otherwise) as to how currency works. If you normally have to purchase X and Y, but suddenly get donations of X, you can then purchase a lot more of Y. In this case, Y is sex toys and My Little Pony figurines that possibly also double for sex toys. Chris will figure this out, if he didn't already do so before he asked us for money.

 

[A-Stump]

There seems to be some kind of an idea that Chris is/would starve without a donation drive or be without essential clothing. It's called a church drive. The food pantry. The essential goods pantry. Cavalry of Green runs a pantry in Ruckersville two days a week. Oh wait CWC wouldn't be caught dead there, not when people are willing to foot the bill for his stupidity throughout his life.

 

[Null]

Am I seriously going to have to lock this thread? Set up something in the discussion board if you want to argue the logic.

Nobody here is expecting a "thank you". We expect Chris to take it for granted, but to most people, I think the idea of a 70 year old gentry with scabies and a 30 year old man not able to afford soap because of having to board their pets in kennels and pay for contractors to safety-proof their house before insurance pays out is why they donate.

 

[A-Stump]

Am I seriously going to have to lock this thread? Set up something in the discussion board if you want to argue the logic.

Nobody here is expecting a "thank you". We expect Chris to take it for granted, but to most people, I think the idea of a 70 year old gentry with scabies and a 30 year old man not able to afford soap because of having to board their pets in kennels and pay for contractors to safety-proof their house before insurance pays out is why they donate.

I've made a thread about it but again, pantries give out items from food to hygienic products. Nifty establishments.

 

[Greg Sestero]

Am I seriously going to have to lock this thread? Set up something in the discussion board if you want to argue the logic.

Nobody here is expecting a "thank you". We expect Chris to take it for granted, but to most people, I think the idea of a 70 year old gentry with scabies and a 30 year old man not able to afford soap because of having to board their pets in kennels and pay for contractors to safety-proof their house before insurance pays out is why they donate.

I certainly understand that sentiment. Don't get me wrong; I'm not some kind of sociopath who wants to see Chris starve, and like I said before, I'm open to the notion that Chris might actually be strapped for food/clothing money. I was specifically addressing the people who seem to have assumed that Chris can not only afford soap but products for his , and were taking active steps (like sending food rather than money) to prevent that, because that kind of tard-proofing won't work. if Chris can't afford soap, I certainly have no problem with people sending it to him. It just makes no sense to assume that if he can even afford to buy toys at all right now, giving him (in the form of either cash or gift cards) wouldn't result in more toys. It would.

At any rate, I'll accede to your wishes and keep it out of this thread. I've pretty much said my piece but if I have any other thoughts on the matter, I won't put them here.

 

[Null]

Relevant:

Can anyone with artistic talent do me a huge favor?

I'm looking for SVGs of Sonichu and the Sonichu Ball. There's a really good cover of Issue 0 that I like the style of. If anyone can get me an SVG of these two things I'd be really grateful.

http://www.static.kiwifarms.net/public/images ... iro9389/0/

 

[CatParty]

Am I seriously going to have to lock this thread? Set up something in the discussion board if you want to argue the logic.

Nobody here is expecting a "thank you". We expect Chris to take it for granted, but to most people, I think the idea of a 70 year old gentry with scabies and a 30 year old man not able to afford soap because of having to board their pets in kennels and pay for contractors to safety-proof their house before insurance pays out is why they donate.

please lock this thread

 

[Smutley]

Am I seriously going to have to lock this thread? Set up something in the discussion board if you want to argue the logic.

Nobody here is expecting a "thank you". We expect Chris to take it for granted, but to most people, I think the idea of a 70 year old gentry with scabies and a 30 year old man not able to afford soap because of having to board their pets in kennels and pay for contractors to safety-proof their house before insurance pays out is why they donate.

I certainly understand that sentiment. Don't get me wrong; I'm not some kind of sociopath who wants to see Chris starve, and like I said before, I'm open to the notion that Chris might actually be strapped for food/clothing money. I was specifically addressing the people who seem to have assumed that Chris can not only afford soap but products for his , and were taking active steps (like sending food rather than money) to prevent that, because that kind of tard-proofing won't work. if Chris can't afford soap, I certainly have no problem with people sending it to him. It just makes no sense to assume that if he can even afford to buy toys at all right now, giving him (in the form of either cash or gift cards) wouldn't result in more toys. It would.

At any rate, I'll accede to your wishes and keep it out of this thread. I've pretty much said my piece but if I have any other thoughts on the matter, I won't put them here.

You, and many others, also seem to forget that he and his mother just lost their home and many of their possessions. Just because they had a fire doesn't mean the mortgage stopped, or home and car insurance payments stopped, or property taxes stopped, or the cellphone bill doesn't come in, or they don't have to eat out at restaurants more instead of a $2 hungry man dinner and hot kuerig water for cup-of-soups.

 

[4Macie]

I don't understand why so many people are SO set against anyone giving Chris money right now. If you don't want to, then don't do it, if you want to, do it. But don't start thinking you're a better person because you do or do not donate. People are saying Chris will waste the money, but that's a huge possibility for ANY charity or donation program. For example, any time there's a world tragedy (Haiti for example), RedCross and the like start donation programs saying so much money will send water and food to that location. What you don't realize that if you send $20, only $5 of it is actually being used for the proposed purpose. Does that mean we should stop helping others? Who knows, but it's up to the individuals who donate and no one's better or worse for their decisions to (or not to) donate.

TL;DR donate or not, it's your choice and no one is better for doing so. Chris isn't the only person who gets "charity" and wastes it, even huge businesses do it.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

I just hope for once in his life Chris spends his tugboat in a sensible way. Even realizes this is a serious situation.

 

[SoniBlu]

Finally got the donation button to work for me. 10 dollars in.

 

[Green Nidoking]

I donated.

Why? Good question.

This may be one of the rare chances that anyone ever gets to crack Chris' bubble. Maybe, just maybe, knowing that a large gathering of people decided to offer help during a time of great need will do that. Maybe he can grow as a person for once in his life.

It may not be terribly realistic.

But it's hardly breaking my bank to do it.

 

[rocket]

It's ok to be nice to someone without expecting anything in return. In fact it's a decent thing done by anyone with a shred of character

in fact I've heard several people here shriek exactly that when raging over chris's generosity-for-potential-heartsweet policy

 

[The Fair Lady]

I'm proud of everyone who's donated, really. I just personally don't feel comfortable doing so.