Fire Emblem series

[NerdShamer]

Here's the link for those that have miss this

A Letter from the FE Fan Game Community

Dear Mangs, Like many other members of the Fire Emblem fan community, we were incredibly disheartened and appalled to learn the details of your pattern of abusive behavior towards women. We must always strive to be an inclusive network that empowers women and all members to participate without...

feuniverse.us

Tldr: yikes mangs you are a Bad Guy go away you are a cancer. Give us some money since you are unemployed rn tho

And post proof of your income.

Anyways, here's Reddit's take on this.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

It comes from the elitism that the games generate.

It's funny as hell because the elitists can't actually do the hardest modes in the DS/3DS era games or in 3 Houses. They just like telling people about fe4/5 (Geneology and Thracia) and implying they're smart because they played the last games made by the series creator.
Now, neither of those games are hard. Geneology is an odd duck, but it's a fine srpg on the snes for its time. Thracia is hard in the sense that the mechanics are mostly new and that there's a ton of secrets. However, it's fairly easy to break the game given all stat caps are 20 and you do get growth scrolls and can capture enemies for rarer weapons.

I'd say go watch Mekkah's videos where he laughs at "Fire Emblem Debates" because that's a treasure trove of autism. Look for the name "Inui" in those vids because that's the same Inui that became a competitive smash bros. player.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:Inui

He doesn't have enough for a full thread but god, he's proof that the FE fandom has latent cow potential.

Here's the link for those that have miss this

A Letter from the FE Fan Game Community

Dear Mangs, Like many other members of the Fire Emblem fan community, we were incredibly disheartened and appalled to learn the details of your pattern of abusive behavior towards women. We must always strive to be an inclusive network that empowers women and all members to participate without...

feuniverse.us

Tldr: yikes mangs you are a Bad Guy go away you are a cancer. Give us some money since you are unemployed rn tho

And post proof of your income.

Anyways, here's Reddit's take on this.

He overplayed his hand. Mangs is a retard, not the Harvey Weinstein of youtube.

 

[AzuraAquafina]

Also, I've been wondering if they deserve their own thread, just to snip them from actual game discussion.

Discussions over e-celeb drama have been slowing down over the past week or so. I'm not sure if a thread is enough to garner that much traction to make it worth happening. Every once in awhile, Chaz would just sperg at some troll or detractor and nothing much would happen afterward. Despite my vested interest, it's starting to get really awkward to talk about something FE related when the thread is getting clogged.

Okay, so something that isn't e-celeb related, the way the crest system is designed within the narrative is pretty re.tarded. I'm guessing it's supposed to be used as a criticism of Fodlan's feudal system as it symbolizes divine right, but the writers and most of the fanbase doesn't seem to realize that you can't exactly equate crest to nobility and especially human avarice. A lot of the problems that are supposedly caused by crest would have easily existed in a world without them. Some of the characters used to argue that crests are bad are pretty off-putting if you give yourself a minute to think about it and blaming magical bloodlines for all of your societal problems rather than the humans who continue to perpetuate unjust hierarchies is just juvenile writing and deduction.

Looking back at my short diatribe of FE4, it really does seem like the issues with 3H's writing are because of the glaring problems of what it's based on.

It's funny as hell because the elitists can't actually do the hardest modes in the DS/3DS era games or in 3 Houses. They just like telling people about fe4/5 (Geneology and Thracia) and implying they're smart because they played the last games made by the series creator.
Now, neither of those games are hard. Geneology is an odd duck, but it's a fine srpg on the snes for its time. Thracia is hard in the sense that the mechanics are mostly new and that there's a ton of secrets. However, it's fairly easy to break the game given all stat caps are 20 and you do get growth scrolls and can capture enemies for rarer weapons.

I've always suspected that some of the """""elitist""""" in the fandom are just larpers who are too embarrassed to admit that their first game is Awakening. Not that starting with Awakening is bad or anything.

I've played FE4 and I honestly don't think people would praise it as much if they didn't have emulator speed or were just as deluded as Chaz when it comes to its questionable map design.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

Discussions over e-celeb drama have been slowing down over the past week or so. I'm not sure if a thread is enough to garner that much traction to make it worth happening. Every once in awhile, Chaz would just sperg at some troll or detractor and nothing much would happen afterward. Despite my vested interest, it's starting to get really awkward to talk about something FE related when the thread is getting clogged.

Okay, so something that isn't e-celeb related, the way the crest system is designed within the narrative is pretty re.tarded. I'm guessing it's supposed to be used as a criticism of Fodlan's feudal system as it symbolizes divine right, but the writers and most of the fanbase doesn't seem to realize that you can't exactly equate crest to nobility and especially human avarice. A lot of the problems that are supposedly caused by crest would have easily existed in a world without them. Some of the characters used to argue that crests are bad are pretty off-putting if you give yourself a minute to think about it and blaming magical bloodlines for all of your societal problems rather than the humans who continue to perpetuate unjust hierarchies is just juvenile writing and deduction.

Yeah I think the e-celeb well is drying up so lets get this back on track unless something really notable happens.

The argument is that the church has basically created a class that by divine right, and objective might considering Dimitri can casually break people's skulls and accidentally break swords when he was younger, which creates this class divide in its current form. It is the typical noble vs commoner angle in fiction with a twist because nobles without crests are treated in a shit way unique to them. It basically takes normal human issues in systems like this in fiction and ramps it up an additional degree. The church lying and hiding the truth about it makes the issue even more of an insult because from their perspective it is done over absolutely nothing and Rhea just seems to not give a shit.

Basically to try an make the noble vs commoner revolution angle even remotely different they used crests to create a more unique divide. I'd consider crests more of an accelerant that would eventually lead to some sort of revolution then the sole reason for the revolution itself.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Discussions over e-celeb drama have been slowing down over the past week or so. I'm not sure if a thread is enough to garner that much traction to make it worth happening. Every once in awhile, Chaz would just sperg at some troll or detractor and nothing much would happen afterward. Despite my vested interest, it's starting to get really awkward to talk about something FE related when the thread is getting clogged.

Okay, so something that isn't e-celeb related, the way the crest system is designed within the narrative is pretty re.tarded. I'm guessing it's supposed to be used as a criticism of Fodlan's feudal system as it symbolizes divine right, but the writers and most of the fanbase doesn't seem to realize that you can't exactly equate crest to nobility and especially human avarice. A lot of the problems that are supposedly caused by crest would have easily existed in a world without them. Some of the characters used to argue that crests are bad are pretty off-putting if you give yourself a minute to think about it and blaming magical bloodlines for all of your societal problems rather than the humans who continue to perpetuate unjust hierarchies is just juvenile writing and deduction.

Looking back at my short diatribe of FE4, it really does seem like the issues with 3H's writing are because of the glaring problems of what it's based on.


I've always suspected that some of the """""elitist""""" in the fandom are just larpers who are too embarrassed to admit that their first game is Awakening. Not that starting with Awakening is bad or anything.

I've played FE4 and I honestly don't think people would praise it as much if they didn't have emulator speed or were just as deluded as Chaz when it comes to its questionable map design.

I think shit over the drama has slowed down because noone really gives enough of a fuck about Mangs to come to his rescue on this, given that he admitted to the first allegation anyways.

Yeah SNES games with speedup is a godsend for turn based shit.

Yeah I think the e-celeb well is drying up so lets get this back on track unless something really notable happens.

The argument is that the church has basically created a class that by divine right, and objective might considering Dimitri can casually break people's skulls and accidentally break swords when he was younger, which creates this class divide in its current form. It is the typical noble vs commoner angle in fiction with a twist because nobles without crests are treated in a shit way unique to them. It basically takes normal human issues in systems like this in fiction and ramps it up an additional degree. The church lying and hiding the truth about it makes the issue even more of an insult because from their perspective it is done over absolutely nothing and Rhea just seems to not give a shit.

Basically to try an make the noble vs commoner revolution angle even remotely different they used crests to create a more unique divide. I'd consider crests more of an accelerant that would eventually lead to some sort of revolution then the sole reason for the revolution itself.

The crests thing has been done before in the past as "holy blood" from FE4. They didn't get into it in the same level of depth though.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

The crests thing has been done before in the past as "holy blood" from FE4. They didn't get into it in the same level of depth though.

I didn't play FE4 so I didn't comment on how it relates to it though i know the crest = holy blood reference. Although I also know Holy Blood as a mechanic is much more stupidly powerful in FE4 which sells the angle better arguably.

 

[JamusActimus]

I didn't play FE4 so I didn't comment on how it relates to it though i know the crest = holy blood reference. Although I also know Holy Blood as a mechanic is much more stupidly powerful in FE4 which sells the angle better arguably.

Exactly in 3H everyone tells you that crests are a big deal yet the gameplay does not show it.
Wow you can sometimes regain hp when attacking or conserve the use of a Magic spell.

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

Discussions over e-celeb drama have been slowing down over the past week or so. I'm not sure if a thread is enough to garner that much traction to make it worth happening. Every once in awhile, Chaz would just sperg at some troll or detractor and nothing much would happen afterward. Despite my vested interest, it's starting to get really awkward to talk about something FE related when the thread is getting clogged.

Okay, so something that isn't e-celeb related, the way the crest system is designed within the narrative is pretty re.tarded. I'm guessing it's supposed to be used as a criticism of Fodlan's feudal system as it symbolizes divine right, but the writers and most of the fanbase doesn't seem to realize that you can't exactly equate crest to nobility and especially human avarice. A lot of the problems that are supposedly caused by crest would have easily existed in a world without them. Some of the characters used to argue that crests are bad are pretty off-putting if you give yourself a minute to think about it and blaming magical bloodlines for all of your societal problems rather than the humans who continue to perpetuate unjust hierarchies is just juvenile writing and deduction.

Looking back at my short diatribe of FE4, it really does seem like the issues with 3H's writing are because of the glaring problems of what it's based on.


I've always suspected that some of the """""elitist""""" in the fandom are just larpers who are too embarrassed to admit that their first game is Awakening. Not that starting with Awakening is bad or anything.

I've played FE4 and I honestly don't think people would praise it as much if they didn't have emulator speed or were just as deluded as Chaz when it comes to its questionable map design.

The well drying up and everyone pretending their shit don't stink is precisely why I haven't made the thread. Guess I'll wait until the 4chan gay op pops and see how or if there's a reaction.

As for elitists outing themselves as not being that good, I saw in another thread that people think "If I pretend I like this cool thing, I become cool!" and that pretty much defines most of these fags; instead of admitting they're into a dorky srpg they wanna act like they're hot shit, as if they didn't get their infos off the wiki like everyone else.

Here's the link for those that have miss this

A Letter from the FE Fan Game Community

Dear Mangs, Like many other members of the Fire Emblem fan community, we were incredibly disheartened and appalled to learn the details of your pattern of abusive behavior towards women. We must always strive to be an inclusive network that empowers women and all members to participate without...

feuniverse.us

Tldr: yikes mangs you are a Bad Guy go away you are a cancer. Give us some money since you are unemployed rn tho

Does that have a copy of the original? Or is it the one with like 20-odd edits by Arch insisting he's not a commie, he's just seizing the means of Mangs' production?

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

Exactly in 3H everyone tells you that crests are a big deal yet the gameplay does not show it.
Wow you can sometimes regain hp when attacking or conserve the use of a Magic spell.

I think if the relics were a little more consistently strong and the holy weapon bonus effects were better it'd be fine and not be too brokenly overpowered, but they aren't and some the crest effects are super lame like the hp and small damage boost on random combat arts. Holy blood I know is obnoxiously powerful in FE4 and I like some semblance of balance in my SRPGs.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I didn't play FE4 so I didn't comment on how it relates to it though i know the crest = holy blood reference. Although I also know Holy Blood as a mechanic is much more stupidly powerful in FE4 which sells the angle better arguably.

Holy Blood affected growth rates and came in major/minor varieties. Having major holy blood let your unit use a holy weapon. This kinda made it so you wanted your major holy blood characters to have offspring, while the minor ones were also preferable to be parents as well.

The well drying up and everyone pretending their shit don't stink is precisely why I haven't made the thread. Guess I'll wait until the 4chan gay op pops and see how or if there's a reaction.

As for elitists outing themselves as not being that good, I saw in another thread that people think "If I pretend I like this cool thing, I become cool!" and that pretty much defines most of these fags; instead of admitting they're into a dorky srpg they wanna act like they're hot shit, as if they didn't get their infos off the wiki like everyone else.

Does that have a copy of the original? Or is it the one with like 20-odd edits by Arch insisting he's not a commie, he's just seizing the means of Mangs' production?

What's funny as fuck are the translation elitists who sperg out over that stuff. They will absolutely gut you over Lewyn from fe4 also being translated as Levin. The best was shit like Vergil-> Belf.

 

[Markorian]

Exactly in 3H everyone tells you that crests are a big deal yet the gameplay does not show it.
Wow you can sometimes regain hp when attacking or conserve the use of a Magic spell.

It's a segregation of story and gameplay thing. In the story, crests are legitimately superpowers and have effects even outside of combat, and relics are straight up WMDs.
Also, as for the discussion on nobility and the crest system, it was strongly implied on Church route/Silver Snow that the noble system was set up so Rhea could keep a close eye on crest holders and their relics, due to their in-universe powers, since the alternative was pretty much committing infanticide on the elites' children. This is why the church is only mandatory for nobility, as mentioned by Lorenz in an early chapter in the monastery.

 

[CrippleThreat]

I think if the relics were a little more consistently strong and the holy weapon bonus effects were better it'd be fine and not be too brokenly overpowered, but they aren't and some the crest effects are super lame like the hp and small damage boost on random combat arts. Holy blood I know is obnoxiously powerful in FE4 and I like some semblance of balance in my SRPGs.

I mean I get that the relics are bones, but 20 durability is kinda wack. But I guess it helps to nerf Edlegard in CF (More uses of Raging Storm, anyone?). The special combats arts could also use some more flair to them, tbh.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I mean I get that the relics are bones, but 20 durability is kinda wack. But I guess it helps to nerf Edlegard in CF (More uses of Raging Storm, anyone?). The special combats arts could also use some more flair to them, tbh.

The durability would be fine if they did anything noteworthy. Sylvain's while useful for Lancekneeler memes against the death knight is really awkward because the hit rate is shit for a lance. Felix's is really questionable because shields typically suck, Annette's feels like a meme when she leans towards being a squishy mage, and Hilda's is just a big MT stick. They lack really interesting abilities or cool tricks on average. I kind of wish more of them were like Edelgard's where Raging storm is a big stupid map killer.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

The durability would be fine if they did anything noteworthy. Sylvain's while useful for Lancekneeler memes against the death knight is really awkward because the hit rate is shit for a lance. Felix's is really questionable because shields typically suck, Annette's feels like a meme when she leans towards being a squishy mage, and Hilda's is just a big MT stick. They lack really interesting abilities or cool tricks on average. I kind of wish more of them were like Edelgard's where Raging storm is a big stupid map killer.

I mean if they did what fe4 did, that'd have meant slapping massive statboosts.

I think they could have done well by just. . .making the crest related skills proc with like a 70% chance of proccing. Make the healing/wpn durability saving ones also give statbuffs to unit+ally. Etc.

 

[CrippleThreat]

I mean if they did what fe4 did, that'd have meant slapping massive statboosts.

In the case of Maddening mode, that would be fun to mess around with. However, a beast like a weapon-buffed AM Dimitri won't be obtained so early. Still have to play the infamous Chapter 13 to eventually get that far.

 

[NerdShamer]

Wow you can sometimes regain hp when attacking or conserve the use of a Magic spell.

Back in Awakening, we called that Sol and Armsthrift. But the Crests aren't special if most your army has them.

 

[Markorian]

In the case of Maddening mode, that would be fun to mess around with. However, a beast like a weapon-buffed AM Dimitri won't be obtained so early. Still have to play the infamous Chapter 13 to eventually get that far.

Chapter 13, aka Softlock at Dawn (New Game by Daybreak)

 

[AzuraAquafina]

Yeah I think the e-celeb well is drying up so lets get this back on track unless something really notable happens.

The argument is that the church has basically created a class that by divine right, and objective might considering Dimitri can casually break people's skulls and accidentally break swords when he was younger, which creates this class divide in its current form. It is the typical noble vs commoner angle in fiction with a twist because nobles without crests are treated in a shit way unique to them. It basically takes normal human issues in systems like this in fiction and ramps it up an additional degree. The church lying and hiding the truth about it makes the issue even more of an insult because from their perspective it is done over absolutely nothing and Rhea just seems to not give a shit.

Basically to try an make the noble vs commoner revolution angle even remotely different they used crests to create a more unique divide. I'd consider crests more of an accelerant that would eventually lead to some sort of revolution then the sole reason for the revolution itself.

I'm mostly speaking under the perspective of how well 3H handles its themes and message. The church and the crests are definitely part of the problem, but the game's text suggests that those two are solely to blame without taking into account the human element. Now, if the game treated the crests, and by extension the church, as a symbol of the problem and then go further to show that its societal problems are fueled by ambitions and greed, then I wouldn't have found 3H's writing that shallow. Don't get me wrong, a lot of FE games aren't that deep either, but I find it annoying that plebbiters praise the game as some sort of sociopolitical commentary. It's just as annoying and cringy when I see someone call FE4 a 'masterpiece' or Kaga's magnum opus.

I think they could have done well by just. . .making the crest related skills proc with like a 70% chance of proccing. Make the healing/wpn durability saving ones also give statbuffs to unit+ally. Etc.

I hate how unimaginative some of the crest effects are. You'd think they would make the crest of Riegan a luna proc or something. I thought about asking the thread what sort of crest effect would you change and why, but I ended up writing a rant piece.

 

[JamusActimus]

Did you guys here ever played some FE rom hacks?

 

[AzuraAquafina]

Did you guys here ever played some FE rom hacks?

I can never get myself to play one, but if you're asking for a recommendation, I hear Order of the Crimson Arms is pretty decent.