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I'm on fucking opposite land, I found Annette to be really boring.
I thought she was fine. It mainly seems to be her ship with Felix holding her up though. As is she can be decently entertaining.

I'd 100% emulate Ike's titles if you haven't done so yet, they have so much better drama to them then 3 houses and a world with prejudice and classism issues that are better expressed and explained. 3 houses gets close and could probably even have worse issues in theory, but it is so undercooked to me. Radiant Dawn's supports take a dip in quality, but the pay offs it makes in the actual plot are great especially if you see all the boss conversations. One thing no game has ever done since Tellius is incorporate that many boss conversations. I shit you not the dancers of Tellius have conversations with the multiple of the end game bosses of both games that can easily one shot them. They aren't even fluff they explain very notable elements of both characters and what they're fighting for. It is wild. Haar, a mostly irrelevant mid game pre-promote, has a shit ton in Radiant Dawn where he says one of my favorite lines in Fire Emblem.
Honestly, I’d rather try to buy the game. I think the Wii title is down to $60, so why not have a physical. I also know to choose easy as it seems Nintendo screwed up and labeled hard as easy mode, causing frustrations for game reviewers that choose medium or hard.

While Ike I think is an acquired taste, as he isn't as obviously interesting as say Dimitri, if you like Marth you'll probably be able to look past Ike being kind of stoic and see how his stoic-ness makes him the right hero for this story (at least imo).
From what I have seen, Ike seems great. Even those that seem to dislike Marth, like him.

I personally just find Marth underrated. The dude is actually really likeable in games like Warriors, so I am glad he has a pretty vocal base for Heroes.
 
I thought she was fine. It mainly seems to be her ship with Felix holding her up though. As is she can be decently entertaining.


Honestly, I’d rather try to buy the game. I think the Wii title is down to $60, so why not have a physical. I also know to choose easy as it seems Nintendo screwed up and labeled hard as easy mode, causing frustrations for game reviewers that choose medium or hard.


From what I have seen, Ike seems great. Even those that seem to dislike Marth, like him.

I personally just find Marth underrated. The dude is actually really likeable in games like Warriors, so I am glad he has a pretty vocal base for Heroes.

Path of Radiance is still like $100 last I checked and it is easier to emulate then Radiant Dawn which has had emulator crashes from time to time and was I think one of the hardest games to emulate properly for the wii. This is basically my way of saying play Ike's games so play them however you want, just for most people the price tag is way too high especially of Path of Radiance. I'd recommend going PoR first due to order, but I played RD as my very first Fire Emblem and I understood most of it fine, just the extra context from PoR made me look at RD much differently and the supports are miles better.

Radiant Dawn's error is because easy is normal, normal is hard, and hard is lunatic mode. This was confusing because Path of Radiance actually removed lunatic mode in the english release and added easy mode. Their is no "easy" mode in Radiant Dawn in any version which is why Radiant Dawn was cited as very difficult. Radiant Dawn is only really difficult at the start because your first set of units are quite frankly shit.
 
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God, I really hope the next game isn't another sandbox emblem. Normally I would blame the customizability of every unit holding back some of the map quality, but then I remember that the Archanean remakes and Fates exist.

I hate how chapter 17 of both AM and VW is set up as something thematic but results in a rather mediocre map. Despite the actual win condition, the chapter is just a glorified rout map in an open field. It's all too reminiscent of bad Awakening maps which are never a good thing. I also hate that you're starting position is the same regardless of house. At least Fates had the decency to change the context of each route even if 1/3 of it was decent.

It's a little weird that gender locked classes are brought back in 3H considering it's a little more progressive than past titles.
 
God, I really hope the next game isn't another sandbox emblem. Normally I would blame the customizability of every unit holding back some of the map quality, but then I remember that the Archanean remakes and Fates exist.

I hate how chapter 17 of both AM and VW is set up as something thematic but results in a rather mediocre map. Despite the actual win condition, the chapter is just a glorified rout map in an open field. It's all too reminiscent of bad Awakening maps which are never a good thing. I also hate that you're starting position is the same regardless of house. At least Fates had the decency to change the context of each route even if 1/3 of it was decent.

It's a little weird that gender locked classes are brought back in 3H considering it's a little more progressive than past titles.
Like they couldn't design a fur bikini for the War Master class...Or a female version of the Dark Bishop.

But it's too early to say that the devs had learned their lesson, yet. Customization has been a thing since the series was revived. I just want something different from euthanizing an insane dragon, for once.
 
Customization has been a thing since the series was revived.
Eh, I hard disagree Especially if we use Awakening as the revival point of the series. Gaiden was the first to introduce villager units that are almost akin to the students in 3H. Hell, I would even say that the kids in FE 4 have some level of customizability with its inheritance system.
 
FE4's writing is kinda overrated. A lot of the praise it gets should really be directed towards gen 1 as it's clearly the most Kaga put time and effort in. Even then, I wouldn't even call it a masterpiece as it has weird contrivances that would later become more apparent in gen 2. While it has interesting ideas and themes, such as classism and prejudice, it doesn't really do anything interesting. At least with gen 2 lying around as a limp-dick extension. Sometimes Thracia just feels like a do-over gen 2.

Also, Kaga dickriders are probably the most autistic group within the fanbase. As much as I dislike Echoes, it honestly feels like some Kaga stans try to trash on Echoes and praise Gaiden just so they can reaffirm that Kaga can't do anything wrong.
I played both Echoes and Gaiden. Gaiden was an awful slog. Also isn’t FE4 technically the reason we have waifus now?
 
@Berrakh I would say that branching storylines could work; but the gaps that Fates creates speaks for itself.
 
I played both Echoes and Gaiden. Gaiden was an awful slog. Also isn’t FE4 technically the reason we have waifus now?
You might be right. FE4 is a lot more character-driven compared to Archanea plus the marriage system driving the main cast to be more attractive. Although, some of the annoying shit in modern FE could be attributed to other games. Lyn from FE7 was probably the crush of many boys who started on the GBA, for example.

When it comes to Gaiden spergs, the most egregious thing I've seen is people claiming that Celica is some independent Zofian who need no man. I still consider Gaiden Celica better than her Echoes counterpart, but that's only because of the ambiguity that exists within the NES's limitation. Who knows what Kaga would have done if Gaiden was released on the Switch.
 
God, I really hope the next game isn't another sandbox emblem. Normally I would blame the customizability of every unit holding back some of the map quality, but then I remember that the Archanean remakes and Fates exist.

I hate how chapter 17 of both AM and VW is set up as something thematic but results in a rather mediocre map. Despite the actual win condition, the chapter is just a glorified rout map in an open field. It's all too reminiscent of bad Awakening maps which are never a good thing. I also hate that you're starting position is the same regardless of house. At least Fates had the decency to change the context of each route even if 1/3 of it was decent.

It's a little weird that gender locked classes are brought back in 3H considering it's a little more progressive than past titles.

I think only 3 houses is so bad because it is so free to just do whatever. Their are little to no real choices or restrictions, besides ones that make male units have worse class options from levels 10-20 till Wyvern shows up.

The last few games had customization, but they had strict limitations and costs to them (assuming you aren't grinding). Like you could make Corncob a Ninja in Conquest because Kaze has sketch strength and good 1-2 range was uncommon, but you had to suffer through E rank throwing weapons for a long while which is a problem. Same with making Selena a Pegasus where the only reason you don't jump from sword foot locked to flying lance locked is because of E rank lance in chapter 11. Second seals were also uncommon. It created diversity in player choice without removing character niches, Selena is one of my favorite units to use in Conquest because has a wide range of options she can go for. You can go Bow Knight to not cross class, Cavalier for the +3 damage on most terrain to fix her strength and use her sword rank instead of building a lance rank, or Pegasus to fly. You just had to make different choices and they had different trade offs and points where your decisions pay off.

Awakening has fairly limited class changing you get 2 whole other options one of which is usually shit anyway, like Archer Chrom, customization is not Awakening's problem. Awakening's problem is pair up is bat shit broken and some skills are just really really strong when paired alongside all those extra stats (like Sol). Galeforce is dumb, but you get that so damn late that it doesn't matter unless you purposefully want to break the game by grinding.

Customization by itself isn't the problem, completely unrestricted customization is the problem along with bad balancing. Conquest was a fairly solid game, ignoring the story and I still think pair up is bullshit I'll take gambits over pair up any day right now barring how broken stride is, so it isn't impossible to make a reasonable Fire Emblem with customization options. I personally think Fates had the best class change system it is reasonably limited so you can't just swap your entire army to different classes you could customize relationships to get specific options while still having limitations on what you do. Unlike 3 houses where "Just put everyone on a wyvern with a axe because axefaire, a lance if you have swift strikes, and a bow for 1-2 range and you're good" is a valid strategy for basically 80% of your army with the other 20% being casters or gambit carriers.

Is the new FE game worth buying a switch for it?

How big of a fan of Fire Emblem are you?

I'd consider, and most people I've seen that aren't total 3 houses stans, consider 3 houses to be on the average or maybe a above average game across the entirety of Fire Emblem. It has some cool mechanics and additions, but the maps are atrocious in a lot of spots and the story feels half finished despite having a lot of potential. The only people I've seen who say 3 houses is their favorite Fire Emblem are people who started really early with the series, or have some autistic obsession with one of the very divisive main characters characters. So it isn't an exceptional enough game to make owning a switch by itself worth it imo.

If you aren't an FE fan this may not convince you to be one as it is fairly anime for some people's tastes and the game isn't some technical marvel (kind of the opposite tbh). Fire Emblem as a strategy game is very fundamentals based for the lack of a better term, their aren't a ton of crazy over the top mechanics but because of that their aren't a lot of fancy things you can do that can take away from the basic fundamentals of a strategy game like moving, positioning units, and playing odds with hit rates and if you want to attack or not. Their are SRPGs with a lot more crazy bullshit then Fire Emblem has ever had, like FFTactics or Divinity Original Sin 2.
 
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Did the fandom do a complete 180 on the game? Also sometimes I feel that fans nitpick the game a little too much. I mean there are plenty of things to criticize about it but it seems some people get very autistic about it. I am even seeing people defend Awakening and Fates now.
 
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Did the fandom do a complete 180 on the game? Also sometimes I feel that fans nitpick the game a little too much. I mean there are plenty of things to criticize about it but it seems some people get very autistic about it. I am even seeing people defend Awakening and Fates now.

"People" always defended Awakening and Fates, because a series like Fire Emblem rarely has a very central agreement about anything (Same with a series like Final Fantasy, for example try starting an argument about which game between FF6 through 10 is the best) due to the huge range of different decisons this series has taken over its existence. Revelations though is still total dog shit and probably the worst Fire Emblem "game" ever made to basically everyone that has a brain cell. If anyone is actually defending Revelations they're either trolling, they really really like golden endings, or they have brain damage. Awakening has gotten plenty of defense, especially by people who started with it, nowadays it is more that bashing Awakening is old news same with Fates really.

Fates was getting a defense force up to when 3 houses was coming out because the constant tide of "Fates sucks!" comments got really really old which then produced an opposite effect of people trying to white knight for the game.
 
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"People" always defended Awakening and Fates, because a series like Fire Emblem rarely has a very central agreement about anything (Same with a series like Final Fantasy, for example try starting an argument about which game between FF6 through 10 is the best) due to the huge range of difference decisons this series has taken over its existence. Revelations though is still total dog shit and probably the worst Fire Emblem "game" ever made to basically everyone that has a brain cell. If anyone is actually defending Revelations they're either trolling, they really really like golden endings, or they have brain damage. Awakening has gotten plenty of defense, especially by people who started with it, nowadays it is more that bashing Awakening is old news same with Fates really.

Fates was getting a defense force up to when 3 houses was coming out because the constant tide of "Fates sucks!" comments got really really old which then produced an opposite effect of people trying to white knight for the game.
I see what you are saying. It reminds me a bit of the Pokemon fandom with generation wars.
 
I see what you are saying. It reminds me a bit of the Pokemon fandom with generation wars.

The closest thing to a central agreement is liking Pre-Awakening more then Post Awakening Fire Emblem or vice versa, because you can see a more clear difference on style, tone, and mechanics being experimented with. When it comes to specific games, good fucking luck. Even Pokemon is easier to keep track of with generation wars.

Closest thing you'll get is Kaga dick riders who like every game typically pre FE7 (except maybe Gaiden and OG FE1 usually as those are too ancient even for Kaga dick riders), FE6 is usually liked to some extent for some reason I assume because it was still a fairly brutal game while FE7 is a very easy game. Although sometimes even FE6 gets flack from Kaga dick riders because only Kaga can make good Fire Emblem games ever.

I also noticed that with Fates and Awakening in particular, bashing them just got old really fast when paired with Fire Emblem Heroes releases favoring those games in its early years.
 
Did the fandom do a complete 180 on the game? Also sometimes I feel that fans nitpick the game a little too much. I mean there are plenty of things to criticize about it but it seems some people get very autistic about it. I am even seeing people defend Awakening and Fates now.
It's called the honeymoon phase. People jizz all over the game when it came out and are now disgruntled with it. I saw something similar happen when Fates came out. Nowadays calling Fatesawakening bad is just kicking a dead horse which causes loonies to praise it more than these two games deserve. Although it seems Zeke beat me to the punch.

I can see the merit in defending Fates as it did things better than 3H such as the removal of gender locked classes and changing the context of reused maps between routes. Awakening is still a garbo game. Maddening 3H at least didn't make me rely on RNG and what enemy exclusive skills are there to fuck me over.
 
How big of a fan of Fire Emblem are you?

I'd consider, and most people I've seen that aren't total 3 houses stans, consider 3 houses to be on the average or maybe a above average game across the entirety of Fire Emblem. It has some cool mechanics and additions, but the maps are atrocious in a lot of spots and the story feels half finished despite having a lot of potential. The only people I've seen who say 3 houses is their favorite Fire Emblem are people who started really early with the series, or have some autistic obsession with one of the very divisive main characters characters. So it isn't an exceptional enough game to make owning a switch by itself worth it imo.

If you aren't an FE fan this may not convince you to be one as it is fairly anime for some people's tastes and the game isn't some technical marvel (kind of the opposite tbh). Fire Emblem as a strategy game is very fundamentals based for the lack of a better term, their aren't a ton of crazy over the top mechanics but because of that their aren't a lot of fancy things you can do that can take away from the basic fundamentals of a strategy game like moving, positioning units, and playing odds with hit rates and if you want to attack or not. Their are SRPGs with a lot more crazy bullshit then Fire Emblem has ever had, like FFTactics or Divinity Original Sin 2.

A below moderate one? I started with the FE game for gameboy that had Lynn, Roy, and Hector and have played all of them since that one.

Probably in the camp that prefers pre Awakening rather than post. I actually liked the restrictions placed and found that post Awakening the games feel a lot easier. The anime, and drama are w/e.
 
A below moderate one? I started with the FE game for gameboy that had Lynn, Roy, and Hector and have played all of them since that one.

Probably in the camp that prefers pre Awakening rather than post. I actually liked the restrictions placed and found that post Awakening the games feel a lot easier. The anime, and drama are w/e.

I wouldn't buy a Switch solely for 3 houses, but you'll probably like it well enough if you see something else worth owning a Switch for. I prefer it over the NA GBA games (Eliwood, not Roy btw) by a lot mostly because I think FE7 is about as easy as hard mode 3 houses except for the Battle Before Dawn chapter where Jaffar can just kill himself randomly. FE8 is just Seth the game featuring The Wonder Twins.
 
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