Fire Emblem series

[Zeke Von Genbu]

We actually get a glimpse of Iroh’s old personality as he was taking Ba Sing Se (sorry for incorrect spelling). In it he laughed about burning it to the ground. He is a decently light hearted character, so one could interpret it as just a goof, but it could also be seen as a general lack of respect and care for another culture. After his son’s death, we see Iron take a 180 on this as he begins to see the importance of all elements and learns from them instead of destroying.

I legitimately don't remember this as I haven't seen Airbender in its fullest in years outside of watching random clips that I remember. So fair enough, my point still stands that we never knew exactly how long Iroh took to change which is the main problem with Dimitri. Which is why I use Zuko because we can actively see how long it took for Zuko to change and how difficult it was, and Zuko quite frankly has less on his plate then Dimitri does.

I would like to challenge this a little. In the first battle against the bandits, Dimitri seems to have a hard time killing and says something along the lines of “this part doesn’t get any easier.” His support with Ingrid also has him try to tell her that war was vile and no system should reward the graphic deaths he saw on display in Duscar. There was also a line in game that comes after a Byleth conversation with Ashe, in it Ashe asks Byleth if Lonato really had to die, in which Byleth has to say some form of yes. Right afterwards, Dimitri barges in saying “Are you Insane!! Those weren’t just soldiers, but fathers and sons. We had no right to take their lives.” There are also multiple cutscenes where Dimitri questions the church’s ethics on killing.

In the earlier game, the only information we are given about the “boar” comes from Felix, as Dimitri shows no signs till Remire.

Perhaps I should have been a bit clearer, what Dimitri finds as justice (aka handling his own issues) he'll murder and seek revenge to hell or high water. Of course Dimitri would say that line, because he knows full well what it means to lose your family to war and everyone agrees that this attack on Lonato was bullshit anyway so it isn't like he is saying something very unique. Dimitri will throw all of that away though when he goes full boar based on Felix's assessment pre academy and from what we see in part 2. Considering Dimitri could care less about brutally murdering people so much that Gilbert tracked him down just from following corpses. Dimitri is a person with two very different personas, you can say he is genuinely trying to be a good person and still say he is a murder happy lunatic with emotional issues and both are correct. Dimitri even admits to this.

Felix is implied (to me anyway) to be the closest to Dimitri of the trio of Ingrid, Sylvain, and Felix and knows Dimitri better then everyone else due to how close their fathers were. Ingrid was too busy being poor, and Sylvain was too busy getting his shit kicked in by the rest of his family to be as close to Dimitri as Felix is. So I'm willing to take Felix's assessment at face value because what else can we go off of how Dimitri was coping before the game started? Just because it comes from Felix doesn't make it less valid. I doubt Felix just woke up and decide "You know what? Fuck Dimitri, boar prince, I'm going to start high school gossip tier rumors about him to make him look bad. I'll do this in tandem while acting like a edgy jackass to basically everyone so people will doubly believe me."

I think the issue with Dimitri is that we start on book 2. Dimitri’s story is that of one who was starting to go clean and then relapsed due to events, only to climb his way out again. We are told of the boar in the past by Felix, but that is not the Dimitri we meet in Garreg Mach. This one is the going clean Zuko of book 2. The temptation for Dimitri was Remire.

As for why Remire, it is due to a likely PTSD episode that got him unhinged. Think about it. TWSITD were the cause of Duscar and Dimitri knows it. Duscar, according to Dedue, was also burnt to the ground, or put to the torch. With Ingrid, we find that Dimitri is uneasy when it comes to the dead and the brutal slaughtering. Now look at Remire, a village that TWSITD decided to light on fire and send dead bodies to slaughter the innocent. This is like if someone resurrected Batman’s parents so they can hold a gun up to another little boy’s family. What they did is sick and would definitely play to every nerve Dimitri has, explaining his extreme lashing out in this instance. After that he is unhinged but still able to keep some level of composure. The breaking point was having his once crush be the face of every horror in his life. He already likely had a ptsd episode, now imagine having a love, a literal family member, now a leader of the people he hated.

You don't try to go clean and then look for revenge on the people who wronged you in the same breath, if you do you're an emotional idiot that doesn't even know your own feelings or understand how idiotic that is. I'm going to assume Dimitri isn't a complete idiot and assume he knows what is feeling and for what reason. Because Dimitri shows full well that he knows what he was feeling in those moments in his A supports and why, so I assume he was emotionally aware enough to know what he was doing in part 1.

Part of accepting loss is putting away your feelings of loss and all the baggage with it, or at least trying to. Dimitri outright refuses to do this by his own admission because he feels it is honorable to be loyal to dead people. While that sounds very noble, it is a very unhealthy way to live. If you've ever had loss in your life, trying to hold onto their feelings and wishes like they still exist is a very self destructive choice. It was these self destructive beliefs that made Dimitri so interesting for his archetype as the straight forward noble lord, too bad they just botch it and make it so he can be easily fixed when the plot demands Dimitri to be fixed so we can have a nice jolly good ending.

Also Dimitri doesn't know anything about TWSITD in part 1 really, he believes their is someone/something that caused what happened and that is about it. He doesn't know what or why and Remire is a fairly weird event that was an "experiment" for something due to all the crazy people with no pupils running about, it isn't exactly the same as his incident except that people are dying on mass in a village. He didn't somehow connect them back in chapter 4 when we get the Sword of the Creator from the raid on the tomb, so it isn't like he saw the uniforms and put 2 and 2 together. He sees Remire as another mass slaughter in progress, likely one similar to the incident Felix brings up that happened before the game began. So yes Dimitri does get PTSD triggers from this stuff, but that doesn't mean Dimitri is trying to go clean. It just means he is losing control of himself which is a reasonable response given what happened to him. You can seek revenge, try to act normal to not raise suspicion, and then eventually go fully insane anyway when your PTSD flares up.

I don't believe in your interpretation of Dimitri, I don't think Dimitri is necessarily a terrible monster 24/7 from the prologue and he can very much want good things for Duscar, but Dimitri also very much wanted to seek revenge and use violence to solve his problems in the name of justice instead of even trying to let go. The issue with that plan is Dimitri wants to go after a very small subset of people who just so happen to be behind a literal army, so Dimitri has no choice but to just kill an entire army to get his desire in those moments and nothing will stop him except himself or death. Which proceeds to make choices between terrible for no real reason (like wanting to torture Randolph for funsies) or just plain insane decisions (Running it down to Edelgard instead of helping his kingdom because fuck'em, he needs revenge NAO even if Gilbert says they can't win). That latter choice also gets him killed in 2 of the other 3 routes because Dimitri would rather die then accept that he can't kill Edelgard and take everyone else with him.

The new mechanics such as a 3D roam-able Monastery also took time out of development. So they had tons of new mechanics and four routes, the game was going to be lacking in some area.

I do not mind multiple routes, but this game should have cut one or two. The church route feels the most tacked on and pointless. It was likely only put there so players do not have to go against the church when the game directs them into choosing Edelgard first. It was pointless and took up to much time. If they had to cut a second, I would say Deer. They are a better route than Edelgard, but they feel like they have no bearing on the overall narrative, plus a Dimitri vs Edelgard story could then be made to be so much more compelling.

100% disagree, outside of the church route being trash which is just a fact, we're 2 for 2 on route games with shitty rushed stories that vary between half baked and mircowaved for 30 seconds baked. See like everything with Leciester politics to get what I mean. Remember when Lorenz's house wanted to take over the alliance? Neither did 3 houses apparently.

3 houses is arguably even more insulting because this has showings of actual real material unlike Fates, but Fates had Xander who could have been a fantastic Camus archetype if his personality wasn't so dramatically different across the different versions of Fates. Xander would have been a fantastic character if Garon sucked less and the other routes didn't exist to give Xander brain damage and make him a total asshole for no reason.

Multiple narrative choice systems just suck in video games with actual game play and not visual novels where you literally are just writing an interactive book. Their are far too many moving parts when actual gameplay needs to exist and no studio seems to ever have the budget or time to make these systems actually good and worthwhile. Fire Emblem has done absolutely nothing to convince me of otherwise. I just want a focused story again, route choices don't do anything if you give me multiple suck ass half baked stories. IS can barely even do one focused story correct, why do we expect them to make multiple at once?

 

[-4ZURE-]

Felix is implied (to me anyway) to be the closest to Dimitri of the trio of Ingrid, Sylvain, and Felix and knows Dimitri better then everyone else due to how close their fathers were. Ingrid was too busy being poor, and Sylvain was too busy getting his shit kicked in by the rest of his family to be as close to Dimitri as Felix is. So I'm willing to take Felix's assessment at face value because what else can we go off of how Dimitri was coping before the game started? Just because it comes from Felix doesn't make it less valid. I doubt Felix just woke up and decide "You know what? Fuck Dimitri, boar prince, I'm going to start high school gossip tier rumors about him to make him look bad. I'll do this in tandem while acting like a edgy jackass to basically everyone so people will doubly believe me."

While I can see this, I also question Felix’s assessment skills at times. With him, you have to remember that he spent upwards of how many years being unable to get over one comment his father said. While “He died like a true knight” can be seen as a little disrespectful and unempathetic, Felix takes his hatred way to far to the point where it puts a strain on all other relationships. He cannot even begin to see any value in his father, who let’s be real is a very nice guy overall. He spends the whole game talking about how his father is weak and terrible, for one comment. While I can see his father representing a terrible system Felix disagrees with, I think the point stands that when something goes wrong, Felix builds characters and takes no time to even remotely understand the other side. Plus Felix is no saint either, being one of two students earlier game to take some form of pleasure in killing, with his goal being that of the ability to cut people down.

While I believe in what he saw, the extent is a little up for debate with him, as Felix does seem to build these large narratives or at least blockages that keep him from being reasonable on the subject. I think Seteth makes a good point in how he is hurtful to himself as he chooses to abandon anyone that is not 1:1 in his beliefs. Plus Dimitri is far from the only one he is cruel towards, most of the Blue Lions are judged harshly, whether deservedly or not, with the only exception being Annette, the second student from earlier.

Point is, Felix is a bias source. There has to be truth to his history recollection, but the whole boar thing is questionable for part 1 as Felix cannot get over the past as much as Dimitri. He also became isolationist, so he likely has little experience with him after Duscar as he chooses to run from his problems and hide instead of dealing with them.

You don't try to go clean and then look for revenge on the people who wronged you in the same breath, if you do you're an emotional idiot that doesn't even know your own feelings or understand how idiotic that is. I'm going to assume Dimitri isn't a complete idiot and assume he knows what is feeling and for what reason. Because Dimitri shows full well that he knows what he was feeling in those moments in his A supports and why, so I assume he was emotionally aware enough to know what he was doing in part 1.

Part of accepting loss is putting away your feelings of loss and all the baggage with it, or at least trying to. Dimitri outright refuses to do this by his own admission because he feels it is honorable to be loyal to dead people. While that sounds very noble, it is a very unhealthy way to live. If you've ever had loss in your life, trying to hold onto their feelings and wishes like they still exist is a very self destructive choice. It was these self destructive beliefs that made Dimitri so interesting for his archetype as the straight forward noble lord, too bad they just botch it and make it so he can be easily fixed when the plot demands Dimitri to be fixed so we can have a nice jolly good ending.

Also Dimitri doesn't know anything about TWSITD in part 1 really, he believes their is someone/something that caused what happened and that is about it. He doesn't know what or why and Remire is a fairly weird event that was an "experiment" for something due to all the crazy people with no pupils running about, it isn't exactly the same as his incident except that people are dying on mass in a village. He didn't somehow connect them back in chapter 4 when we get the Sword of the Creator from the raid on the tomb, so it isn't like he saw the uniforms and put 2 and 2 together. He sees Remire as another mass slaughter in progress, likely one similar to the incident Felix brings up that happened before the game began. So yes Dimitri does get PTSD triggers from this stuff, but that doesn't mean Dimitri is trying to go clean. It just means he is losing control of himself which is a reasonable response given what happened to him. You can seek revenge, try to act normal to not raise suspicion, and then eventually go fully insane anyway when your PTSD flares up.

Fair point
Dimitri shows multiple times that he has a large level of self-awareness.

100% disagree, outside of the church route being trash which is just a fact, we're 2 for 2 on route games with shitty rushed stories that vary between half baked and mircowaved for 30 seconds baked. See like everything with Leciester politics to get what I mean. Remember when Lorenz's house wanted to take over the alliance? Neither did 3 houses apparently.

Church was trash.....Ok now wait for that one person to come and defend it.

The problem with church was 2 things, one, there was nothing new it added as it was GD 2, and two, there was no central protagonist other than Byleth, who carries the personality of a rock making the story very boring.

The Lorenz part does come up, but it is in the Church route and a little bit in Golden Deer. Lorenz‘s father sides with El to accomplish the take over, making him unavailable to assist in GD and Lorenz an enemy (regardless of recruitment) in church.

3 houses is arguably even more insulting because this has showings of actual real material unlike Fates, but Fates had Xander who could have been a fantastic Camus archetype if his personality wasn't so dramatically different across the different versions of Fates. Xander would have been a fantastic character if Garon sucked less and the other routes didn't exist to give Xander brain damage and make him a total asshole for no reason.

This is why I am fine with maybe two routes in 3H. Fates had new writers who were not fit for the series at hand. This title has so much in terms of good character writing and interesting story that it sucks it was just too strained. Having a two route system between El and Dimitri could have been great as the two are arguably the best written characters, but their routes lack a polish to fully go all the way. With two routes we would get an interesting dynamic and see neither are truly the villain, but instead we need to have the Claude and Seteth show with routes that really only add backstory to the still not completely explained shadow organization and the fantastic character of Byleth who I am sure everyone was 100% interested in.

I say split the game into two with Dimitri and Edelgard fighting each other for the heart of Fodland. Split the Golden Deer into two for the original two houses to take. I feel that Edelgard should take Lorenz, Leonie, Lysithea, and maybe Claude. Dimitri should definitely take Marianne, and after her Raphael, Ignatz, and Hilda would probably fit the best. I split them like this as Dimitri supports with Raphael and Marianne, while Edelgard supports with Lysithea. Lorenz joins Edelgard explaining his placement, and Leonie’s hatred of nobility can fit BE. Claude can also go with El as he is an outsider in distrust with the church. Ignatz is friends with Raphael and Hilda with Marianne, plus neither seem to take issue with church politics. Also both should be able to gain 2 students by the second half as that original idea for BL should be put in place. Have Felix and Annette leave Dimitri for the first half of part two, then likely have Ferdinand and either Leonie or Claude leave Edelgard. Once defeated, they can be re-recuited.

Splitting it can also help the no real villain idea as there is no perfect leader like Claude that just makes Edelgard the straight up villain. With this you get two mentally unstable, completely convicted losers. These two also have the most history with each other, making for a better narrative as they both have to kill a big part of their respective pasts.

 

[Berrakh]

Church could have been great. But it's clear it had the least attention.

 

[Peru oso donas]

Yeah, church is fates tier writing wise, maybe it could have been saved a little if we had Rhea fighting alongside us and maybe even trying to show how fucked up she is without her going bonkers like she does in BE. Also hot take: the final boss of the church is an even bigger ass pull than the GD one.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

While I can see this, I also question Felix’s assessment skills at times. With him, you have to remember that he spent upwards of how many years being unable to get over one comment his father said. While “He died like a true knight” can be seen as a little disrespectful and unempathetic, Felix takes his hatred way to far to the point where it puts a strain on all other relationships. He cannot even begin to see any value in his father, who let’s be real is a very nice guy overall. He spends the whole game talking about how his father is weak and terrible, for one comment. While I can see his father representing a terrible system Felix disagrees with, I think the point stands that when something goes wrong, Felix builds characters and takes no time to even remotely understand the other side. Plus Felix is no saint either, being one of two students earlier game to take some form of pleasure in killing, with his goal being that of the ability to cut people down.

While I believe in what he saw, the extent is a little up for debate with him, as Felix does seem to build these large narratives or at least blockages that keep him from being reasonable on the subject. I think Seteth makes a good point in how he is hurtful to himself as he chooses to abandon anyone that is not 1:1 in his beliefs. Plus Dimitri is far from the only one he is cruel towards, most of the Blue Lions are judged harshly, whether deservedly or not, with the only exception being Annette, the second student from earlier.

Point is, Felix is a bias source. There has to be truth to his history recollection, but the whole boar thing is questionable for part 1 as Felix cannot get over the past as much as Dimitri. He also became isolationist, so he likely has little experience with him after Duscar as he chooses to run from his problems and hide instead of dealing with them.

Felix's ultimate problem is he can't see eye to eye with anyone for most of the early parts of the game. This is why Seteth tells him to calm the fuck down and realize that just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they can't be friends. Felix thinks if you don't agree with him, then you're an idiot who can't understand and he has to go train instead of talking to dumb people. Seteth can understand, he just takes those interpretations differently and his BL classmates also have different takes. Basically Felix doesn't understand what opinions are. Felix explaining Dimitri's assumed carnage isn't an opinion, it is an observation of events that he was able to witness. He is our only account of what happened that explains it in any real detail of the actions, and Dimitri never ever denys what he did. He argues with Felix not liking his reasons for his actions, but not that his own actions happened.

I never said Felix was a saint, but Felix ultimately only wants to cut down people like bandits or people attacking him or the class and the key thing is just cut down. Dimitri in full boar mode doesn't just stab people and leave, he is implied to brutalize them and he shows signs of enjoying violence and his own carnage because, in my opinion, Dimitri wants to inflict pain on others due to the pain he personally feels which is understandable but not really right.

Felix doesn't exactly enjoy violence to that extent, he relishes in pushing himself in combat because he is trying to be what would be considered a knight in his own way by abandoning what he views as useless ideals in favor of focusing on more material and easily visible things. Instead of believing in a code of chivalry, he believes in achieving absolute strength and fully embracing the material fact that the living are more important then the dead because the dead can't do anything to you.

Personally I disagree with your assessment of Felix handling his problems by "running away" as that misses part of why Felix is the way he is. Felix ultimately chose to stand on his own two feet and work on his own strength alone as a means to center all responsibility of maintaining the living on himself. Felix is a cold asshole, but he ultimately wants to protect people without using the tenats of chivalry, which arguably makes him chivalrous anyway just you'd never see him admit it. Him running from Dimitri entirely only really occurs after he sees Dimitri become what he views as a monster, likely not much different then the monsters that killed his brother and he knows Dimitri will become king which just makes it worse.

Felix has ultimately taken a very material view on life and achieved a sort of half baked enlightenment of sorts. Felix's development is ultimately coming to terms with the fact he does, and should, still care about immaterial things like friendship. Dimitri focuses on immaterial things to an obsessive degree due to his PTSD and Felix focuses on entirely material things, that is why they stand opposed so much.

The Lorenz part does come up, but it is in the Church route and a little bit in Golden Deer. Lorenz‘s father sides with El to accomplish the take over, making him unavailable to assist in GD and Lorenz an enemy (regardless of recruitment) in church.

Not in the way I'm talking about.

Lorenz's house is stated to only work for Edelgard due to her controlling the bridge near his territory, this is according to Lorenz in GD and the reasoning doesn't really change in Church or BL where Lorenz is an enemy. Once we take the bridge in GD Lorenz's house just magically wants to work with Claude despite them hating Claude's entire existence and considering him as the leader a farce. That whole shit about Raph's parents dying due to Lorenz's father's dumb political bullshit, Lorenz outright saying house Reigan doesn't deserve to be the lead house anymore to Claude's face, all of that just stops mattering because Claude takes over a bridge. That is total horseshit and a shitty resolution.

This is why I am fine with maybe two routes in 3H. Fates had new writers who were not fit for the series at hand. This title has so much in terms of good character writing and interesting story that it sucks it was just too strained. Having a two route system between El and Dimitri could have been great as the two are arguably the best written characters, but their routes lack a polish to fully go all the way. With two routes we would get an interesting dynamic and see neither are truly the villain, but instead we need to have the Claude and Seteth show with routes that really only add backstory to the still not completely explained shadow organization and the fantastic character of Byleth who I am sure everyone was 100% interested in.

I say split the game into two with Dimitri and Edelgard fighting each other for the heart of Fodland. Split the Golden Deer into two for the original two houses to take. I feel that Edelgard should take Lorenz, Leonie, Lysithea, and maybe Claude. Dimitri should definitely take Marianne, and after her Raphael, Ignatz, and Hilda would probably fit the best. I split them like this as Dimitri supports with Raphael and Marianne, while Edelgard supports with Lysithea. Lorenz joins Edelgard explaining his placement, and Leonie’s hatred of nobility can fit BE. Claude can also go with El as he is an outsider in distrust with the church. Ignatz is friends with Raphael and Hilda with Marianne, plus neither seem to take issue with church politics. Also both should be able to gain 2 students by the second half as that original idea for BL should be put in place. Have Felix and Annette leave Dimitri for the first half of part two, then likely have Ferdinand and either Leonie or Claude leave Edelgard. Once defeated, they can be re-recuited.

Splitting it can also help the no real villain idea as there is no perfect leader like Claude that just makes Edelgard the straight up villain. With this you get two mentally unstable, completely convicted losers. These two also have the most history with each other, making for a better narrative as they both have to kill a big part of their respective pasts.

I'm of the opinion that 3 houses should have been Edelgard's game or something like Radiant Dawn where we switch factions (even if it is just BE and BL) in one cohesive story. Because her entire liberation angle and her choosing to become this historically divisive figure with her implied limited life span is an interesting FE plot and you can even have minor splits with things like bad endings and good endings if you can unlock extra chapters like in FE7. While I think Edelgard is missing quite a few details to fully justify her war, I don't necessarily blame her that much for that because I don't believe she'd ever be able to learn the truth anyway without the war. Rhea only got off her ass and explained anything after Claude pestered her on her death bed, otherwise Seteth was just going to be an accomplice in hiding history by yeeting books from the library.

This war is all one big hammer to force the world to change and force every faction to fight to claim the world on her terms instead of whenever the world would just crumble over itself. It's kind of like how Rudolph in Gaiden/Echoes believed that the world was fucked if Mila and Duma went berserk, so he forced humanity to either rise up or fail because it was going to fail if nothing happened. I think their is an interesting story in Edelgard's route, it is just bogged by too little time and too much Byleth obsession. If Byleth had an actual character maybe it'd work, but he doesn't so it can't work.

I don't think Edelgard's story is perfect, my favorite route is GD because it is by far the least offensively bad (due to me not liking Dimitri) and told me the most important bits of information, but I think you can expand it into a Radiant Dawn 30+ chapter epic though with more focusing on the conflict in part 2 and focusing more on one set of characters. I'd rather Byleth didn't exist for this or the whole school thing in general, but if they have to you can give some foreshadowing (just give Sothis visions of the future or some shit) that they need to bond with all students (not just BE if we assume they're hard locked to BE from the get go) and try to make them trust him/her before the war actually starts. Whoever you bond with you save, everyone else dies.

 

[Berrakh]

Felix's ultimate problem is he can't see eye to eye with anyone for most of the early parts of the game. This is why Seteth tells him to calm the fuck down and realize that just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they can't be friends. Felix thinks if you don't agree with him, then you're an idiot who can't understand and he has to go train instead of talking to dumb people. Seteth can understand, he just takes those interpretations differently and his BL classmates also have different takes. Basically Felix doesn't understand what opinions are. Felix explaining Dimitri's assumed carnage isn't an opinion, it is an observation of events that he was able to witness. He is our only account of what happened that explains it in any real detail of the actions, and Dimitri never ever denys what he did. He argues with Felix not liking his reasons for his actions, but not that his own actions happened.

I never said Felix was a saint, but Felix ultimately only wants to cut down people like bandits or people attacking him or the class and the key thing is just cut down. Dimitri in full boar mode doesn't just stab people and leave, he is implied to brutalize them and he shows signs of enjoying violence and his own carnage because, in my opinion, Dimitri wants to inflict pain on others due to the pain he personally feels which is understandable but not really right.

Felix doesn't exactly enjoy violence to that extent, he relishes in pushing himself in combat because he is trying to be what would be considered a knight in his own way by abandoning what he views as useless ideals in favor of focusing on more material and easily visible things. Instead of believing in a code of chivalry, he believes in achieving absolute strength and fully embracing the material fact that the living are more important then the dead because the dead can't do anything to you.

Personally I disagree with your assessment of Felix handling his problems by "running away" as that misses part of why Felix is the way he is. Felix ultimately chose to stand on his own two feet and work on his own strength alone as a means to center all responsibility of maintaining the living on himself. Felix is a cold asshole, but he ultimately wants to protect people without using the tenats of chivalry, which arguably makes him chivalrous anyway just you'd never see him admit it. Him running from Dimitri entirely only really occurs after he sees Dimitri become what he views as a monster, likely not much different then the monsters that killed his brother and he knows Dimitri will become king which just makes it worse.

Felix has ultimately taken a very material view on life and achieved a sort of half baked enlightenment of sorts. Felix's development is ultimately coming to terms with the fact he does, and should, still care about immaterial things like friendship. Dimitri focuses on immaterial things to an obsessive degree due to his PTSD and Felix focuses on entirely material things, that is why they stand opposed so much.



Not in the way I'm talking about.

Lorenz's house is stated to only work for Edelgard due to her controlling the bridge near his territory, this is according to Lorenz in GD and the reasoning doesn't really change in Church or BL where Lorenz is an enemy. Once we take the bridge in GD Lorenz's house just magically wants to work with Claude despite them hating Claude's entire existence and considering him as the leader a farce. That whole shit about Raph's parents dying due to Lorenz's father's dumb political bullshit, Lorenz outright saying house Reigan doesn't deserve to be the lead house anymore to Claude's face, all of that just stops mattering because Claude takes over a bridge. That is total horseshit and a shitty resolution.



I'm of the opinion that 3 houses should have been Edelgard's game or something like Radiant Dawn where we switch factions (even if it is just BE and BL) in one cohesive story. Because her entire liberation angle and her choosing to become this historically divisive figure with her implied limited life span is an interesting FE plot and you can even have minor splits with things like bad endings and good endings if you can unlock extra chapters like in FE7. While I think Edelgard is missing quite a few details to fully justify her war, I don't necessarily blame her that much for that because I don't believe she'd ever be able to learn the truth anyway without the war. Rhea only got off her ass and explained anything after Claude pestered her on her death bed, otherwise Seteth was just going to be an accomplice in hiding history by yeeting books from the library.

This war is all one big hammer to force the world to change and force every faction to fight to claim the world on her terms instead of whenever the world would just crumble over itself. It's kind of like how Rudolph in Gaiden/Echoes believed that the world was fucked if Mila and Duma went berserk, so he forced humanity to either rise up or fail because it was going to fail if nothing happened. I think their is an interesting story in Edelgard's route, it is just bogged by too little time and too much Byleth obsession. If Byleth had an actual character maybe it'd work, but he doesn't so it can't work.

I don't think Edelgard's story is perfect, my favorite route is GD because it is by far the least offensively bad (due to me not liking Dimitri) and told me the most important bits of information, but I think you can expand it into a Radiant Dawn 30+ chapter epic though with more focusing on the conflict in part 2 and focusing more on one set of characters. I'd rather Byleth didn't exist for this or the whole school thing in general, but if they have to you can give some foreshadowing (just give Sothis visions of the future or some shit) that they need to bond with all students (not just BE if we assume they're hard locked to BE from the get go) and try to make them trust him/her before the war actually starts. Whoever you bond with you save, everyone else dies.

Idk about that Felix thing. He does benefit from factors outside of himself supporting him. While I'd also not say he is running away, that's incredibly simplistic, I also would not give him the credit of standing on his own. There is a defiant factor to what he does but it's also a very safe mode of defiance because what he does is not much different from what would have been expected of him anyway. He just refuses reponsibility and spurns a lot of affection at particular points. It's more complicated but also narrow-minded than just an exercise of will and independence.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

Idk about that Felix thing. He does benefit from factors outside of himself supporting him. While I'd also not say he is running away, that's incredibly simplistic, I also would not give him the credit of standing on his own. There is a defiant factor to what he does but it's also a very safe mode of defiance because what he does is not much different from what would have been expected of him anyway. He just refuses reponsibility and spurns a lot of affection at particular points. It's more complicated but also narrow-minded than just an exercise of will and independence.

I wouldn't say he is ever independent, he is still a noble that gets to go to elite military college thanks to his connections and $$$ after all, but he is ultimately taking his own personal stance that he is trying to make for himself on how to handle the aftermath of Duscar. He basically made his own sort of choice as opposed to following what he thinks other people want. I'd say it is more that he is trying to think for himself, to some extent as he is ultimately trying to play opposites with his father, then being an independent self made man like I think you mean when you say "independence". He is basically using his time to do his own thing instead of giving into what he thinks dead people want. Perhaps I could have picked better words, but that is what I mean when I say he is "standing on his own".

Dimitri took what he thinks is what his loved ones wanted, while Felix is doing whatever he wants while still trying to be productive and take something away from the tragedy. Mind you, it is comparatively much easier for Felix to just go do his own thing when he doesn't have survivor's guilt and PTSD like Dimitri does. Just I think Felix is ultimately choosing a better way to handle his issues and him seeing the living as the living and the dead as a dead is a better mindset and form of acceptance.

 

[-4ZURE-]

Felix's ultimate problem is he can't see eye to eye with anyone for most of the early parts of the game. This is why Seteth tells him to calm the fuck down and realize that just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they can't be friends. Felix thinks if you don't agree with him, then you're an idiot who can't understand and he has to go train instead of talking to dumb people. Seteth can understand, he just takes those interpretations differently and his BL classmates also have different takes. Basically Felix doesn't understand what opinions are. Felix explaining Dimitri's assumed carnage isn't an opinion, it is an observation of events that he was able to witness. He is our only account of what happened that explains it in any real detail of the actions, and Dimitri never ever denys what he did. He argues with Felix not liking his reasons for his actions, but not that his own actions happened.
I never said Felix was a saint, but Felix ultimately only wants to cut down people like bandits or people attacking him or the class and the key thing is just cut down. Dimitri in full boar mode doesn't just stab people and leave, he is implied to brutalize them and he shows signs of enjoying violence and his own carnage because, in my opinion, Dimitri wants to inflict pain on others due to the pain he personally feels which is understandable but not really right.

Felix doesn't exactly enjoy violence to that extent, he relishes in pushing himself in combat because he is trying to be what would be considered a knight in his own way by abandoning what he views as useless ideals in favor of focusing on more material and easily visible things. Instead of believing in a code of chivalry, he believes in achieving absolute strength and fully embracing the material fact that the living are more important then the dead because the dead can't do anything to you.
Personally I disagree with your assessment of Felix handling his problems by "running away" as that misses part of why Felix is the way he is. Felix ultimately chose to stand on his own two feet and work on his own strength alone as a means to center all responsibility of maintaining the living on himself. Felix is a cold asshole, but he ultimately wants to protect people without using the tenats of chivalry, which arguably makes him chivalrous anyway just you'd never see him admit it. Him running from Dimitri entirely only really occurs after he sees Dimitri become what he views as a monster, likely not much different then the monsters that killed his brother and he knows Dimitri will become king which just makes it worse.
Felix has ultimately taken a very material view on life and achieved a sort of half baked enlightenment of sorts. Felix's development is ultimately coming to terms with the fact he does, and should, still care about immaterial things like friendship. Dimitri focuses on immaterial things to an obsessive degree due to his PTSD and Felix focuses on entirely material things, that is why they stand opposed so much.

So for the Felix thing, I am not saying what he saw was false. Dimitri says it was not so I cannot argue against Felix, the main issue is whether his descriptions of the boar apply to the present (part 1). Felix thinks little of those who he disagrees with, so can one fully use him to say that Dimitri is not improving when we meet him. Felix has thought very little and isolated himself from Dimitri for some time, so I question if Felix can really give an accurate assessment.

I brought up his father as I felt it was a good point. His dad is constantly belittled by him and seen as some weak general that is cruel. All of this is based on one comment Felix disagrees with. When we meet Rodrigue, I believe many can see that Felix’s description is skewed, Rodrigue is generally a good guy. He is not perfect, but far from Felix’s descriptions. I believe Felix to be a bit of a rocky source in terms of school days Dimitri as he already has his opinion cemented and sees him as a threat regardless of if he has improved or not.
I say Felix runs away from his issues because he kinda does. Remember when Rodrigue visited the monastery, causing Felix to stop training for the sole purpose of avoiding him. There is even a dialog in which Felix tells you to tell him that he is out of town.

Also I just rewatched the support, and it kind of paints a weird picture. Felix takes multiple opportunities to get away. He straight up tells Dimitri to leave when it begins, then when Felix confronts him, Dimitri is not supposed to speak, just clash swords. It fits with the “running away” idea as instead of confronting Dimitri, he would rather isolate again or just make him a husk for sparring. I think Felix reactions also help my point, He ends the B support leaving Dimitri because he cannot look at his face any longer. Before hand they were getting along and he even laughed, but it could not last because Felix did not want to talk about a dead man (old Dimitri). To me I read this as Felix realizing that Dimitri is not the boar he characterized him as, but cannot get over what he saw. Dimitri will always be the boar after the event with the rebellion, no matter how similar he is to old Dimitri. With this I think the argument can go either way, either Felix sees the dark side still or there is an improved Dimitri but Felix cannot get over what he saw to accept it. I will not say one is the right adaptation, but will point that it could highlight improvement in Dimitri’s character.

I could be misreading though, I will admit..

Not in the way I'm talking about.

Lorenz's house is stated to only work for Edelgard due to her controlling the bridge near his territory, this is according to Lorenz in GD and the reasoning doesn't really change in Church or BL where Lorenz is an enemy. Once we take the bridge in GD Lorenz's house just magically wants to work with Claude despite them hating Claude's entire existence and considering him as the leader a farce. That whole shit about Raph's parents dying due to Lorenz's father's dumb political bullshit, Lorenz outright saying house Reigan doesn't deserve to be the lead house anymore to Claude's face, all of that just stops mattering because Claude takes over a bridge. That is total horseshit and a shitty resolution.

I did not say they handled well, simply that it was there. It was really stupid, and would have been more interesting on Lorenz’s part had the father disassociated himself with Lorenz for such an action instead of changing tune right away. Maybe that was the point though as nobles are characterized as cowards that will switch sides to save themselves.

I'm of the opinion that 3 houses should have been Edelgard's game or something like Radiant Dawn where we switch factions (even if it is just BE and BL) in one cohesive story. Because her entire liberation angle and her choosing to become this historically divisive figure with her implied limited life span is an interesting FE plot and you can even have minor splits with things like bad endings and good endings if you can unlock extra chapters like in FE7. While I think Edelgard is missing quite a few details to fully justify her war, I don't necessarily blame her that much for that because I don't believe she'd ever be able to learn the truth anyway without the war. Rhea only got off her ass and explained anything after Claude pestered her on her death bed, otherwise Seteth was just going to be an accomplice in hiding history by yeeting books from the library.

This war is all one big hammer to force the world to change and force every faction to fight to claim the world on her terms instead of whenever the world would just crumble over itself. It's kind of like how Rudolph in Gaiden/Echoes believed that the world was fucked if Mila and Duma went berserk, so he forced humanity to either rise up or fail because it was going to fail if nothing happened. I think their is an interesting story in Edelgard's route, it is just bogged by too little time and too much Byleth obsession. If Byleth had an actual character maybe it'd work, but he doesn't so it can't work.
I don't think Edelgard's story is perfect, my favorite route is GD because it is by far the least offensively bad (due to me not liking Dimitri) and told me the most important bits of information, but I think you can expand it into a Radiant Dawn 30+ chapter epic though with more focusing on the conflict in part 2 and focusing more on one set of characters. I'd rather Byleth didn't exist for this or the whole school thing in general, but if they have to you can give some foreshadowing (just give Sothis visions of the future or some shit) that they need to bond with all students (not just BE if we assume they're hard locked to BE from the get go) and try to make them trust him/her before the war actually starts. Whoever you bond with you save, everyone else dies.

You have a cool idea. I would still want Dimitri as given more time, he can honest to god be the best FE lord. He really feels like Marth but crazed and violent, which is incredibly interesting in terms of the dichotomy. He has the elements of a Zuko as said earlier, but they need more time than the game allows.

Having an avatar like Byleth would be fine, they just really need to go back to Awakening. The reason Robin worked was because he was a tag-along to Chrom and Lucina’s story, not the main character. 3H did better than Fates in this regard, but stuff like the church route crosses the line to much in terms of good avatar usage.
Claude’s route is the least offensive, but lacks much interesting to me. It is just more Byleth backstory and a bit more history. Claude is also far to good to not be the automatic best option.

Edelgard’s obsession with Byleth was a poorly executed trait. It felt as though the developers saw her as unlikable, so they pandered and made her worship Byleth as some lesbian goddess to compensate for a lack of a character. I feel that we were never actually supposed to side with Edelgard, and just added it last minute.

 

[Berrakh]

Dimitri took what he thinks is what his loved ones wanted, while Felix is doing whatever he wants while still trying to be productive and take something away from the tragedy. Mind you, it is comparatively much easier for Felix to just go do his own thing when he doesn't have survivor's guilt and PTSD like Dimitri does. Just I think Felix is ultimately choosing a better way to handle his issues and him seeing the living as the living and the dead as a dead is a better mind sight and form of acceptance.

Neither is healthy in the long run but Felix is definitely handling it better than Dimitri. Ultimately Felix himself can't maintain his own standards because he does give himself to a sense of duty, particularly in AM. So I guess his personal perspective is not particularly clear (at least to me) beyond thinking it's wrong to valorize death. I think most people see him as a rebellious teen, with embellishing problems obviously, who gets perspective.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

So for the Felix thing, I am not saying what he saw was false. Dimitri says it was not so I cannot argue against Felix, the main issue is whether his descriptions of the boar apply to the present (part 1). Felix thinks little of those who he disagrees with, so can one fully use him to say that Dimitri is not improving when we meet him. Felix has thought very little and isolated himself from Dimitri for some time, so I question if Felix can really give an accurate assessment.

I brought up his father as I felt it was a good point. His dad is constantly belittled by him and seen as some weak general that is cruel. All of this is based on one comment Felix disagrees with. When we meet Rodrigue, I believe many can see that Felix’s description is skewed, Rodrigue is generally a good guy. He is not perfect, but far from Felix’s descriptions. I believe Felix to be a bit of a rocky source in terms of school days Dimitri as he already has his opinion cemented and sees him as a threat regardless of if he has improved or not.
I say Felix runs away from his issues because he kinda does. Remember when Rodrigue visited the monastery, causing Felix to stop training for the sole purpose of avoiding him. There is even a dialog in which Felix tells you to tell him that he is out of town.
Also I just rewatched the support, and it kind of paints a weird picture. Felix takes multiple opportunities to get away. He straight up tells Dimitri to leave when it begins, then when Felix confronts him, Dimitri is not supposed to speak, just clash swords. It fits with the “running away” idea as instead of confronting Dimitri, he would rather isolate again or just make him a husk for sparring. I think Felix reactions also help my point, He ends the B support leaving Dimitri because he cannot look at his face any longer. Before hand they were getting along and he even laughed, but it could not last because Felix did not want to talk about a dead man (old Dimitri). To me I read this as Felix realizing that Dimitri is not the boar he characterized him as, but cannot get over what he saw. Dimitri will always be the boar after the event with the rebellion, no matter how similar he is to old Dimitri. With this I think the argument can go either way, either Felix sees the dark side still or there is an improved Dimitri but Felix cannot get over what he saw to accept it. I will not say one is the right adaptation, but will point that it could highlight improvement in Dimitri’s character.

I could be misreading though, I will admit..


I did not say they handled well, simply that it was there. It was really stupid, and would have been more interesting on Lorenz’s part had the father disassociated himself with Lorenz for such an action instead of changing tune right away. Maybe that was the point though as nobles are characterized as cowards that will switch sides to save themselves.





You have a cool idea. I would still want Dimitri as given more time, he can honest to god be the best FE lord. He really feels like Marth but crazed and violent, which is incredibly interesting in terms of the dichotomy. He has the elements of a Zuko as said earlier, but they need more time than the game allows.



Having an avatar like Byleth would be fine, they just really need to go back to Awakening. The reason Robin worked was because he was a tag-along to Chrom and Lucina’s story, not the main character. 3H did better than Fates in this regard, but stuff like the church route crosses the line to much in terms of good avatar usage.



Claude’s route is the least offensive, but lacks much interesting to me. It is just more Byleth backstory and a bit more history. Claude is also far to good to not be the automatic best option.

Edelgard’s obsession with Byleth was a poorly executed trait. It felt as though the developers saw her as unlikable, so they pandered and made her worship Byleth as some lesbian goddess to compensate for a lack of a character. I feel that we were never actually supposed to side with Edelgard, and just added it last minute.

Mostly just talking about the Felix bit, not that this conversation is bad or anything, just that I don't have much more to say to the rest as I think we have mostly common ground at this point and I don't need to write another autistic essay about a weeb dating sim game where we have a red midget hitler, a blue eye patch man, and a upside down wyvern riding archer.

So Felix's takes on part 1 Dimitri is imo more that he hates seeing his friend become a monster, I believe he wants to end Dimitri before he goes full boar mode again but can't bring himself to do it so he acts very passive aggressive. I think he believes Dimitri is a going to be a horrible person, but he doesn't know how to fix him and just sort of decides that he'll likely fight him one day. He also avoids his father because he doesn't believe any conversation with him will do anything, Felix is basically trying to become a fighting machine and sees more value in training then talking in circles with his father. If you've ever had someone you know will just not agree with you and you know you'll just argue and fight you'd probably just make up something to avoid the situation entirely. Living with someone like that can also be very difficult so I can buy, and do believe, that Felix is just hyping up his dad because he personally feels living with his father is shit due to their disagreements.

So simply put, Felix I think wholly believes Dimitri is on the road to being a terrible human being and I trust that what Felix was his first ever sight of "the boar" which is why he emphasizes that aspect so much, Felix ultimately just doesn't know what to do. In other routes he talks about leaving behind everything for the professor and when he gets hints about Dimitri's existence before chapter 17 (in most routes) he believes he can fight Dimitri and cut him down, but after the fact Felix will eventually lament about if he could have fixed him. This is Dimitri at his peak boar so if Felix can regret not knowing what to do here, then imagine what he likely feels during the school phase? I think Felix just doesn't know how to talk to Dimitri with his mixed emotions and just kind of gives up to focus on things he can understand.

I 100% believe Edelgard's route isn't last minute and was intended from the start and isn't some "secret route" bullshit just because of the fucktarded unlock condition, IS just executed it in the dumbest way possible because they couldn't copy paste all the maps exactly in her route like they do in every other route. They probably felt Byleth the "character" needed a "reason" to choose Edelgard's side in a war so they put the coronation scene requirement to be impressed by Edelgard's resolve or something.

Dimitri needs a dramatically better resolution to his character and a better story around him in general to be best lord in the series, for me Ike is the best lord (of the games I've played) because his actual game's plot wasn't rushed or written by an ape. Ike's own personality isn't anything great, but I think having a simple man try to navigate in a complicated and convoluted world like Tellius is an interesting adventure.

 

[-4ZURE-]

I don't need to write another autistic essay about a weeb dating sim game where we have a red midget hitler, a blue eye patch man, and a upside down wyvern riding archer.

You forgot the gay thief you fake fan!

So Felix's takes on part 1 Dimitri is imo more that he hates seeing his friend become a monster, I believe he wants to end Dimitri before he goes full boar mode again but can't bring himself to do it so he acts very passive aggressive. I think he believes Dimitri is a going to be a horrible person, but he doesn't know how to fix him and just sort of decides that he'll likely fight him one day. He also avoids his father because he doesn't believe any conversation with him will do anything, Felix is basically trying to become a fighting machine and sees more value in training then talking in circles with his father. If you've ever had someone you know will just not agree with you and you know you'll just argue and fight you'd probably just make up something to avoid the situation entirely. Living with someone like that can also be very difficult so I can buy, and do believe, that Felix is just hyping up his dad because he personally feels living with his father is shit due to their disagreements.

So simply put, Felix I think wholly believes Dimitri is on the road to being a terrible human being and I trust that what Felix was his first ever sight of "the boar" which is why he emphasizes that aspect so much, Felix ultimately just doesn't know what to do. In other routes he talks about leaving behind everything for the professor and when he gets hints about Dimitri's existence before chapter 17 (in most routes) he believes he can fight Dimitri and cut him down, but after the fact Felix will eventually lament about if he could have fixed him. This is Dimitri at his peak boar so if Felix can regret not knowing what to do here, then imagine what he likely feels during the school phase? I think Felix just doesn't know how to talk to Dimitri with his mixed emotions and just kind of gives up to focus on things he can understand.

Great explanation, I actually agree with this.

I 100% believe Edelgard's route isn't last minute and was intended from the start and isn't some "secret route" bullshit just because of the fucktarded unlock condition, IS just executed it in the dumbest way possible because they couldn't copy paste all the maps exactly in her route like they do in every other route. They probably felt Byleth the "character" needed a "reason" to choose Edelgard's side in a war so they put the coronation scene requirement to be impressed by Edelgard's resolve or something.

I honestly think it was. Unlike the other there routes it has no cutscenes besides the end. It is also half the length. There should have been a part dedicated to bringing down TWSITD as Edelgard highlights that as the plan, but then it is credits fodder. The just seems extremely rushed, causing me to believe the development cycle went BL first, GD second, then church, then Edelgard.

Dimitri needs a dramatically better resolution to his character and a better story around him in general to be best lord in the series, for me Ike is the best lord (of the games I've played) because his actual game's plot wasn't rushed or written by an ape. Ike's own personality isn't anything great, but I think having a simple man try to navigate in a complicated and convoluted world like Tellius is an interesting adventure.

I feel with Dimitri IS made something at least respectable. I find the character to be decently engaging and sort of a change of pace. I am one of those people who actually likes Marth (mainly thanks to Warriors), so having a more twisted version is interesting. IS also had a fantastic build up and the execution of the snap makes for a memorable moment in the series. Forgetting the quick turn around, his ending with Edelgard was also extremely well done, both the conversation and the death. He just needed a better start, maybe more time spent in the actual Duscar tragedy along with needing a better deescalation from the boar. Dimitri has flawless pay-offs, but needs a better lead up. What we have now is decent, and actually pretty good leading to the boar, but he needs a bit more to make it there fully.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I honestly think it was. Unlike the other there routes it has no cutscenes besides the end. It is also half the length. There should have been a part dedicated to bringing down TWSITD as Edelgard highlights that as the plan, but then it is credits fodder. The just seems extremely rushed, causing me to believe the development cycle went BL first, GD second, then church, then Edelgard.


I feel with Dimitri IS made something at least respectable. I find the character to be decently engaging and sort of a change of pace. I am one of those people who actually likes Marth (mainly thanks to Warriors), so having a more twisted version is interesting. IS also had a fantastic build up and the execution of the snap makes for a memorable moment in the series. Forgetting the quick turn around, his ending with Edelgard was also extremely well done, both the conversation and the death. He just needed a better start, maybe more time spent in the actual Duscar tragedy along with needing a better deescalation from the boar. Dimitri has flawless pay-offs, but needs a better lead up. What we have now is decent, and actually pretty good leading to the boar, but he needs a bit more to make it there fully.

Edelgard's route is the only one that doesn't reuse half of part 2 almost exactly so of course it is short when you can put 5 chapters of samey bullshit in the other routes. The trailer opens with Edelgard talking about ending crests she was the first house shown, she's a freaking waifu, how can you really think her side wouldn't be an option from the start of development?

Pretty much the only unique maps, in terms of location and enemy placement for the other 3 are Dimitri's chapter 18, Claude's final chapter, Church's final chapter, the raid on the major stronghold with the Death Knight is also different in Dimitri's route. Dimitri has a modified invasion to bring down Edelgard for those 2 maps in terms of enemy placement, but they're still basically the same map save for some notable changes (Like Dimitri's final boss vs just Edelgard in the other routes). Beyond that the rest of the maps are reused at least one other time (especially claude and church route) or are reused almost exactly (chapter 13 through 16 is basically the same for the other 3 routes), chapter 17 is blood of the eagle and lion for Dimitri/Claude.

Basically Edelgard's events being very different means they can't reuse story beats and maps almost exactly so of course she ends up the shortest. Edelgard is 18 chapters, Dimitri/Claude are 22, and church is 21. If those latter 3 copy chapters 13-16 exactly down to enemy placement and levels, did they really get that much more development? Especially considering Edelgard's version actually changes events significantly, such as Dimitri not losing his eye while the other 3 follow almost the exact same story beats save for a couple of alterations like Dimitri going back to Faerghus or Claude fighting his final boss instead of Dimitri's final boss.

So Edelgard being the shortest isn't a shock to anyone once you consider that Edelgard's route needs actual development made specifically for it unlike the other 3 which can all say "Edelgard bad, mole people bad, roll credits" with 3 different sets of secondary characters alongside a rock known as Byleth.

I think I've made it clear that Dimitri's plot just fails for me and why, so I won't repeat that though I respect your opinion as it is arguably a bit harsh of me to almost completely dismiss Dimitri's entire development because the writers just gave up at the end imo. Ike still the best, Marth is okay though.

 

[AzuraAquafina]

FE4's writing is kinda overrated. A lot of the praise it gets should really be directed towards gen 1 as it's clearly the most Kaga put time and effort in. Even then, I wouldn't even call it a masterpiece as it has weird contrivances that would later become more apparent in gen 2. While it has interesting ideas and themes, such as classism and prejudice, it doesn't really do anything interesting. At least with gen 2 lying around as a limp-dick extension. Sometimes Thracia just feels like a do-over gen 2.

Also, Kaga dickriders are probably the most autistic group within the fanbase. As much as I dislike Echoes, it honestly feels like some Kaga stans try to trash on Echoes and praise Gaiden just so they can reaffirm that Kaga can't do anything wrong.

 

[Berrakh]

FE4's writing is kinda overrated. A lot of the praise it gets should really be directed towards gen 1 as it's clearly the most Kaga put time and effort in. Even then, I wouldn't even call it a masterpiece as it has weird contrivances that would later become more apparent in gen 2. While it has interesting ideas and themes, such as classism and prejudice, it doesn't really do anything interesting. At least with gen 2 lying around as a limp-dick extension. Sometimes Thracia just feels like a do-over gen 2.

Also, Kaga dickriders are probably the most autistic group within the fanbase. As much as I dislike Echoes, it honestly feels like some Kaga stans try to trash on Echoes and praise Gaiden just so they can reaffirm that Kaga can't do anything wrong.

That's very common sadly. The Original is treated as flawless. Especially if they were a real person since people imbue them with familiarity. And the aforementioned waifu-marketing can be seen as "cheapning" the series.

 

[-4ZURE-]

I have been wondering, do any of you believe an FE Warriors 2 will be coming soon. If I recall, they did Hyrule then had a port with way more content 2 years later, then did FE a year later. I wonder if after Persona they may go back and do more games in the Fire Emblem series, primarily focusing on Three Houses.

It would be cool to bring all first game characters back but add a ton more from Three Houses, the Binding and Blazing Blade, and the Radiant series. If they were to do this, I believe the roster will be as follows:

Binding Blade will have Roy, Lilina, and Cecilia
The Blazing Blade will have to have Hector and Eliwood, along with Ninian and the returning Lyn
The Radiant series has to have Ike, Soren, Michaia, Sothe, Titania
I can also see Echoes being added so:
Alm, Gray, and Mae, with Celica returning

Three Houses will be handled like Fates with a boat load of characters (9). I think each route will get two characters
Byleth: Byleth (he is the Corrin, so he makes up the 1st slot)

Church: Seteth and Flayn
Crimson Flower: Edelgard and Hubert
Verdant Wind: Claude and Hilda
Azure Moon: Dimitri and Dedue

With this that should make another 25 like the previous
As for DLC....

DLC will add one more characters to each house which will likely come to
Crimson Flower: Ferdinand
Verdant Wind: Lysthia
Azure Moon: Mercedes

The Radiant series and Blazing Blade are the most likely to get DLC, but I cannot say what it would be.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I have been wondering, do any of you believe an FE Warriors 2 will be coming soon. If I recall, they did Hyrule then had a port with way more content 2 years later, then did FE a year later. I wonder if after Persona they may go back and do more games in the Fire Emblem series, primarily focusing on Three Houses.

It would be cool to bring all first game characters back but add a ton more from Three Houses, the Binding and Blazing Blade, and the Radiant series. If they were to do this, I believe the roster will be as follows:

Binding Blade will have Roy, Lilina, and Cecilia
The Blazing Blade will have to have Hector and Eliwood, along with Ninian and the returning Lyn
The Radiant series has to have Ike, Soren, Michaia, Sothe, Titania
I can also see Echoes being added so:
Alm, Gray, and Mae, with Celica returning

Three Houses will be handled like Fates with a boat load of characters (9). I think each route will get two characters
Byleth: Byleth (he is the Corrin, so he makes up the 1st slot)

Church: Seteth and Flayn
Crimson Flower: Edelgard and Hubert
Verdant Wind: Claude and Hilda
Azure Moon: Dimitri and Dedue

With this that should make another 25 like the previous
As for DLC....

DLC will add one more characters to each house which will likely come to
Crimson Flower: Ferdinand
Verdant Wind: Lysthia
Azure Moon: Mercedes

The Radiant series and Blazing Blade are the most likely to get DLC, but I cannot say what it would be.

Tellius reps should have laguz and just have them use moves where they transform to their beast form. They'll probably pick some combination of Tibarn, Ranulf, Lethe, Mordechai and maybe Naesala as they're probably the most well known and recognized throughout both games. As for the Beroc it should be Ike, Soren, Titania, Sothe, Micaiah with probably the former 3 first and the latter 2 being a DLC pack. I'd want Elincia, but that probably won't happen because she'd have to actually be unique instead of reskinning her over Hinoka/Catria.

Binding Blade should have Rutger for memes where he crits every other hit for one shots.

Echoes' reps should be Alm, an actually properly developed Celica (she's more caster then marth clone), Saber, Clive/Lukas if we want to balance it with 2 from each route. I'd probably go with Clive as he is more relevant to Echoes then Lukas, though it is a toss up as I think more people like Lukas and he'd probably be more worthwhile considering he is an armor.

Azure moon should be Felix, Sylvain, or Ingrid imo.

Verdant Wind should at least consider Lorenz, just for memes.

 

[-4ZURE-]

Azure moon should be Felix, Sylvain, or Ingrid imo.

I feel like for DLC they would want popular picks, and likely female because...Fire Emblem.
The problem with the three you listed is that they all fall into the category of the friend squad, which will make it hard to pick one over another. I choose Mercedes as she is seemingly the most popular BL girl, plus she can have healing which is uncommon in the new cast.

Verdant Wind should at least consider Lorenz, just for memes.

I feel like VW has to be Lysthia with how popular she is. I placed Ferdinand down as the BE, so he can likely take the meme place of Lorenz.

Tellius reps should have laguz and just have them use moves where they transform to their beast form. They'll probably pick some combination of Tibarn, Ranulf, Lethe, Mordechai and maybe Naesala as they're probably the most well known and recognized throughout both games. As for the Beroc it should be Ike, Soren, Titania, Sothe, Micaiah with probably the former 3 first and the latter 2 being a DLC pack. I'd want Elincia, but that probably won't happen because she'd have to actually be unique instead of reskinning her over Hinoka/Catria.

Do not have much experience with Radiant, so I will take your suggestions. I feel Radiant will have a decent amount of characters, but it will be limited due to the last game only having 25. I picked Ike, Soren, Micaiah, and Sothe as they were the main characters with Sothe and Soren being the helpers of Ike and Micaiah respectively. I just threw in Titania because she is like Ike’s mentor, plus she can use Frederick’s move-set.

Honestly I am more interested in the support conversations if they add more characters. I have some obvious ones that I think would work well, atleast for the Three Houses cast.

Edelgard needs to have a support with Lucina. Both of them are revolutionaries that believe in a better future, and both of them disguised themselves.

Hubert needs to have an awkward and confrontational support with Tharja. The two have dark magic and a pension to kill, so it would be an interesting support.

Claude definitely needs a conversation with Ike. Both are always placed in memes about ending racism, so it would be fun to see play out.

Dimitri should probably support with Marth. The two are very similar in many ways, with Dimitri feeling like a mentally derailed version at times. Plus I think both are similar in trying to unite the lands, with Dimitri’s goal for Duscar and such.

Flayn needs supports with the cinnamon rolls. Elise, Tiki, and probably also Sakura. Mainly Tiki though as they are both dragons. Elise would just be fun for the candy gimmick.

Seteth would probably have good supports with Chrom and maybe Titania. Chrom and him are obvious dads, and Titania knows what it is like to lose a loved one.

Lysythia needs supports with the Fates small girls. The candy gimmick from Elise would work wonders.

Ferdinand needs supports with nobles, whether that be Marth, Roy, Celica, Eliwood, or any one else in this category.

Mercedes and Camilla, along with Hinoka are big sisters, nuff said.

Dedue and Fredrick seems to be the best pairing. Both are obsessed.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I feel like for DLC they would want popular picks, and likely female because...Fire Emblem.
The problem with the three you listed is that they all fall into the category of the friend squad, which will make it hard to pick one over another. I choose Mercedes as she is seemingly the most popular BL girl, plus she can have healing which is uncommon in the new cast.


I feel like VW has to be Lysthia with how popular she is. I placed Ferdinand down as the BE, so he can likely take the meme place of Lorenz.


Do not have much experience with Radiant, so I will take your suggestions. I feel Radiant will have a decent amount of characters, but it will be limited due to the last game only having 25. I picked Ike, Soren, Micaiah, and Sothe as they were the main characters with Sothe and Soren being the helpers of Ike and Micaiah respectively. I just threw in Titania because she is like Ike’s mentor, plus she can use Frederick’s move-set.

Honestly I am more interested in the support conversations if they add more characters. I have some obvious ones that I think would work well, atleast for the Three Houses cast.

Edelgard needs to have a support with Lucina. Both of them are revolutionaries that believe in a better future, and both of them disguised themselves.

Hubert needs to have an awkward and confrontational support with Tharja. The two have dark magic and a pension to kill, so it would be an interesting support.

Claude definitely needs a conversation with Ike. Both are always placed in memes about ending racism, so it would be fun to see play out.

Dimitri should probably support with Marth. The two are very similar in many ways, with Dimitri feeling like a mentally derailed version at times. Plus I think both are similar in trying to unite the lands, with Dimitri’s goal for Duscar and such.

Flayn needs supports with the cinnamon rolls. Elise, Tiki, and probably also Sakura. Mainly Tiki though as they are both dragons. Elise would just be fun for the candy gimmick.

Seteth would probably have good supports with Chrom and maybe Titania. Chrom and him are obvious dads, and Titania knows what it is like to lose a loved one.

Lysythia needs supports with the Fates small girls. The candy gimmick from Elise would work wonders.

Ferdinand needs supports with nobles, whether that be Marth, Roy, Celica, Eliwood, or any one else in this category.

Mercedes and Camilla, along with Hinoka are big sisters, nuff said.

Dedue and Fredrick seems to be the best pairing. Both are obsessed.

Is Mercedes that popular? I figured Ingrid would be more popular, as I think she is cuter, outside of fringe circles saying she is racist. Lorenz is a better meme then Ferdiand, don't @ me.

Being pedantic, but Titania is actually Ike's second in command, she is the Jeigan in gameplay, but she is more or less Ike's second in command who helps him run the Greil Mercs when Greil kicks in the bucket. Greil is Ike's real mentor and temporarily Stefan functions as a sword mentor in base conversations in PoR. I want her in Warriors 2 because we need more actual axe users and not wyvern belly flop users. Plus she can fill the "Strong wamen" quota and not be very forced.

 

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Is Mercedes that popular? I figured Ingrid would be more popular, as I think she is cuter, outside of fringe circles saying she is racist. Lorenz is a better meme then Ferdiand, don't @ me.

I think she is. She was a big character when the game came out and remains a pretty high waifu. Ingrid always seemed to be the least popular Blue Lion, likely due to her rather dull personality. Annette may be the most popular female BL now though as her Felix ship took off. Otherwise, Mercedes always seemed like the favorite.

Lorenz may be better, but he is still fairly hated and you know the fan base will cry foul if their loli does not get in. The only other GD member with extreme popularity is Marianne, but if we are being real, her personality does not suit such a game. Same with Bernedetta, which is why I did not choose her.

Being pedantic, but Titania is actually Ike's second in command, she is the Jeigan in gameplay, but she is more or less Ike's second in command who helps him run the Greil Mercs when Greil kicks in the bucket. Greil is Ike's real mentor and temporarily Stefan functions as a sword mentor in base conversations in PoR. I want her in Warriors 2 because we need more actual axe users and not wyvern belly flop users. Plus she can fill the "Strong wamen" quota and not be very forced.

Not that familiar with Ike’s titles, so much appreciated.



Now thinking about it, Dimitri definitely needs a support with Xander in this hypothetical new title. I cannot wait for an edgy, justice is an illusion speech from the two.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I think she is. She was a big character when the game came out and remains a pretty high waifu. Ingrid always seemed to be the least popular Blue Lion, likely due to her rather dull personality. Annette may be the most popular female BL now though as her Felix ship took off. Otherwise, Mercedes always seemed like the favorite.

Lorenz may be better, but he is still fairly hated and you know the fan base will cry foul if their loli does not get in. The only other GD member with extreme popularity is Marianne, but if we are being real, her personality does not suit such a game. Same with Bernedetta, which is why I did not choose her.


Not that familiar with Ike’s titles, so much appreciated.



Now thinking about it, Dimitri definitely needs a support with Xander in this hypothetical new title. I cannot wait for an edgy, justice is an illusion speech from the two.

I'm on fucking opposite land, I found Annette to be really boring. Mercedes seemed fine, but I think me benching her made me not see a whole lot of her character. Ingrid was okay, I liked her interactions with the likes of Felix and Sylvain.

Lorenz is still hated, I found Lorenz to be one of my favorites of the entire cast due to all his interactions and supports being kind of interesting.

I'd 100% emulate Ike's titles if you haven't done so yet, they have so much better drama to them then 3 houses and a world with prejudice and classism issues that are better expressed and explained. 3 houses gets close and could probably even have worse issues in theory, but it is so undercooked to me. Radiant Dawn's supports take a dip in quality, but the pay offs it makes in the actual plot are great especially if you see all the boss conversations. One thing no game has ever done since Tellius is incorporate that many boss conversations. I shit you not the dancers of Tellius have conversations with the multiple of the end game bosses of both games that can easily one shot them. They aren't even fluff they explain very notable elements of both characters and what they're fighting for. It is wild. Haar, a mostly irrelevant mid game pre-promote, has a shit ton in Radiant Dawn where he says one of my favorite lines in Fire Emblem.

Haar: Why is it that authority figures are always so unwilling to let go of their power? The world could flip upside down and you'd be trying to boss around gravity.

While Ike I think is an acquired taste, as he isn't as obviously interesting as say Dimitri, if you like Marth you'll probably be able to look past Ike being kind of stoic and see how his stoic-ness makes him the right hero for this story (at least imo).