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I finished Rebellion Saga. It's a fun hack. Although it really emphasized multiple playthroughs (Read: infinite streaming content for Mangs) with it's short length, multiple routes, promotion branches and mutually exclusive characters.

I think it's a perfectly fine hack and I can tell they learned a lot of lessons from Andaron. Since it's now a much shorter 10 chapter game compared to Andaron's 32 fucking chapters. My first run says I had a playtime of 60 hours in Andaron compared to Rebellion only taking me 20. There's also a lot less quippy marvel lines in the dialogue which is good. I booted up the first chapter of Andaron after finishing Rebellion and I immediately saw the difference in dialogue quality since Rebellion didn't have lines like "What the Devil Axe" and "For Devil Axe's sake"

Mangs uploaded a video saying they're working on an Andaron Saga Definitive Edition planned to release next year. The most important features are:
  • Rewriting the less serious dialogue away
  • Adding new alternative maps to the annoying chapters to appease both people who liked and disliked said annoying chapters
  • New Promotion Branches for some characters and new portraits upon promotion
  • L to fast forward animations so you don't have to use the emulator fast forward (a feature Rebellion has)
  • New early game chapter involving Styxia
  • A 3rd story branch where Baudimon picks up the Bolwerk Regalia instead of the Dawncaller where Robert is recruitable and Isabelle is recruited much earlier
I'd personally reccomend someone to just play Rebellion and skip Andaron for now. Rebellion's just a better and shorter game and maybe wait on that Definitive Edition for Andaron if you end up liking Rebellion enough. I also think going from the prequel to the sequel is just a better way to experience the story of the two games even though the sequel came out first.
 
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Computer God Autism said:
Yes, I don't consistently tell people they don't have to write a political justification for their waifu because normally the sorts of people who have to do that shouldn't be let within a hundred feet of an elementary school, not because they have to make everything about a debate on /v/ from half a decade ago.
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Implying I’m a pedo? Christ that’s low. What a faggot. How is that not an overreaction you sad nigger? Kill yourselves unironically.

And if all you can respond with is a MATI negrate that’s really pathetic.

NerdShamer said:
We get it. You think of her whenever you use your happy sock.
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remember when I said Hilda is basically a twitch thot and you guys posted porn of her? I do.

Given all this there’s nothing cheap about playing the Projection card and assuming Computer Autism Go is on the registry and Nerdshamer goons a lot.
 
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Berrakh said:
Implying I’m a pedo?
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No, I implied you're a sperg. The people who normally have to preemptively defend their choice of waifu are pedos. People who like a conventionally attractive adult women, which Dorothea clearly is, do not. The fact that you feel the need to include a defense of you liking her or her character every time you want to talk about liking her because of some debates about hypergamy and sexuality you saw, presumably, on /v/ half a decade ago is spergy. That you can't even understand the point being made and then default to uno reverse is also deeply spergy.
 
Berrakh said:
remember when I said Hilda is basically a twitch thot and you guys posted porn of her? I do.
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Yes. But I made it clear that it was an joke and nobody REEE'd at me over it. Well, not as much as you're being an attention whore about it.

Berrakh said:
Nerdshamer goons a lot.
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Prove it, you retard. I only did that for the shock value.

Computer God Autism said:
The people who normally have to preemptively defend their choice of waifu are pedos.
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Yeah, but that's mostly true for the jailbait characters. But it is weird when they're defending the normal characters...Well, as normal as you can get for 3H.
 
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I like uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh Lysithea : )

But yeah you can't let dumb /v/tards live in your mind rent free. That's the only way they win.

I remember a few months back getting into an argument about PoR Mia and if she's good on Maniac mode or not. For the record, I'm willing to entertain the idea that she is. I'm always open to changing my views on units. But this guy wasn't making any good arguments. His showcase was Mia being unable to kill a generic enemy on the final chapter without massive babying including getting paralyzed by a Laguz unit beforehand. And he got weirdly defensive and mad over this being pointed out.

Anyway, eventually he just started going on a weird rant about how if Mia is a bad unit, we have to consider Rutger from 6 bad too by pretending like Rutger not being able to literally solo the whole game and Mia being unable to kill one unit by herself are the same. And I realized I was arguing with a genuinely deeply pathetic person. Someone who argues just to argue.

tl;dr /v/ shitposters aren't actually making real arguments in good faith.
 
Waifuism in general is a cancer to FE unit discussion. Because if you want to point out some flaws in a unit, well GUESS WHAT that unit is someone's wife and they're about to sperg out on you about how they're actually OP with the power of love or something.

I also used Mia in my first PoR run because I love swordmasters and was pissed at how terrible she turned out. Is there a swordmaster worse than her in the series? (Other than Shannam, but he's a joke character).
 
The Blue Room said:
Waifuism in general is a cancer to FE unit discussion. Because if you want to point out some flaws in a unit, well GUESS WHAT that unit is someone's wife and they're about to sperg out on you about how they're actually OP with the power of love or something.

I also used Mia in my first PoR run because I love swordmasters and was pissed at how terrible she turned out. Is there a swordmaster worse than her in the series? (Other than Shannam, but he's a joke character).
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Fully invested meta discussion about units are infinitely worse than waifu talk, its fine talking about characters that suck or not normally but Mekkah-tier types that consider viability discourse actually meaningful past speedrunning levels of niche group discussions are really gay
 
I think it's fun to learn say... feeding Haar one(1) Speedwing in Radiant Dawn suddenly makes the whole of Part 3 much easier.

Or you can train Lysithea just enough to get Dark Spikes for Chapter 4 Death Knight.

And that maybe you underrated a certain unit and on future playthroughs you might use them more. Like most casual players don't realize how good Marcia is in FE9 initially because of GBA Peg Knights.

But I couldn't imagine genuinely getting heated over it because someone put a unit in C tier and not B+ tier or whatever. The worst part is, as you say, most of them are just parroting some eceleb they saw. Even Mekkah himself is a bit of a Dondon parrot at the end of the day.
 
The Blue Room said:
Waifuism in general is a cancer to FE unit discussion. Because if you want to point out some flaws in a unit, well GUESS WHAT that unit is someone's wife and they're about to sperg out on you about how they're actually OP with the power of love or something.
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But what happens when your waifu actually turns out to be the grim reaper?
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Some psychopath on jewtube said she was trash because she didn't have a horse... despite the fact that the leg ring exists in FE4. Even if it didn't, when you can delete every unit and boss you come across, I don't care about ""suboptimal"" movement.
 
Retarded Weeb said:
I like Nephenee. She's has cool armor and she talks funny, and she's got a spear which is cool. She's kind of strong I guess if you dump resources into her.
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I kept giving her custom spears on my latest PoR playthrough with crit rate maxed out and weight minimized. Should could double and crit anything by endgame.
 
The Fire Emblem community is the only one I know that treats speedruns and 'optimal play' as if they're the only valid ways to play the games. By their own logic, you shouldn't use anything other than Infernape and Golduck in Pokemon Platinum, since they're the only two Pokemon used in the current world record.

I don't care how optimal it would be, using only the same few characters in a game with so many choices available would be so fucking boring. Not to mention, even with 'optimal' strats, you're still reliant on RNG. I'd argue it's safer bet to use characters who start off weak and could get RNG-screwed but will most likely become powerful eventually than exclusively rely on the Jeigan character and pray all of his combat RNG happens to work out, especially in the lategame.
 
Lone MacReady II said:
But what happens when your waifu actually turns out to be the grim reaper?
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Some psychopath on jewtube said she was trash because she didn't have a horse... despite the fact that the leg ring exists in FE4. Even if it didn't, when you can delete every unit and boss you come across, I don't care about ""suboptimal"" movement.
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"fe4 enemies are not so strong that you need ayra to attack 20 freaking times in one round of combat. Just bring like half a dozen mounted units and give sylvia the foot leg. Since you aren't aren't bringing heaps of units they will get enough exp and access to the best weapons so that they will easily one round. Four of them get danced and then get more exp and all of them can reposition to get danced/make a defensive fromation after attacking. If you wanted to use ayra the position sylvia can dance in is limited to adjacent tiles since she doesn't have canto. This would be "solved" by giving ayra the knight ring but ayra gets to cover another 6 tiles anyway so in this case it's better off on sylvia so she can go her full movement despite ayra trying to hold her back. Now what of the foot leg? If you give it to ayra she can now cover 9 tiles per turn and keep up with the mounted units right?. well now you're either limited by sylvias 6 movement or you bench sylvia but then you need to bring 4 more units to get the same player phase action which will spread exp and items more thinly so your units won't be as good. So either: 1: give ayra the footleg and knight ring so she can move up to 9 tiles per turn and attack once or 2: give sylvia the knight ring and footleg so ayra can move up to 12 tiles per turn and attack twice. Why is this even a debate. The answer is black and white with very little grey in between: Ayra benefits more and the whole army benefits more from sylvia having the movement items or spend 200 turns per chapter because that's fun apparently"

With that said, I can't go a single FE6 run without babying Lilina. There's just something magical in watching a unit one-hit kill everything with a basic fire tome and healing 40 HP with a heal staff. Sorry Rutger, the 5 def level 20/20 Sage gets the Boots.

Rokto said:
The Fire Emblem community is the only one I know that treats speedruns and 'optimal play' as if they're the only valid ways to play the games. By their own logic, you shouldn't use anything other than Infernape and Golduck in Pokemon Platinum, since they're the only two Pokemon used in the current world record.
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I think it's mainly because Fire Emblem is a hard game all things considered. Yeah, the most optimal way to beat a Pokémon game is just soloing everything with your starter, but you can as easily just beat it with 6 Rattatas and a few X-items + Full restores. You can technically beat any FE with any unit, but it won't be no breeze, specially in the harder difficulties.

Also, there's just something that "clicks" in being optimal in a Tactical RPG rather than a traditional one, especially in Fire Emblem, where resource management does actually matter, and you're always being shown what turn count you're currently one.

I always try to play with my favorites, or play with units that I haven't tried yet, but I always still make the most out of them (a.k.a, turtling is gay).
 
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I hate the culture that speedrunning the hardest mode is the only valid way to play the game. Or especially just the hardest mode when games have obscene difficulties like Lunatic Plus or FE12.

It makes intuitive sense as a community that this would happen though. FE games come out so infrequently compared to new Pokemon products, and there isn’t any such thing as a competitive scene. So as a community we are left with much less to talk about than they have. Discussions on what Pokemon are more effective happen, but everyone knows you can just FEAR Rattatta or set up sweep with Bidoof and be just fine, everyone has proven that every game but RBY can be beaten with a single magicarp.

Compared to a usual JRPG where the options for party composition probably has a max of 6 playable units that are mostly created equally, as opposed to 30-70 that are definitely very not equal, it becomes much more interesting to discuss unit quality. It’s hard to quality “babying” or resource dumping, so it’s an effective way to take the harshest conditions and then discuss how they do with minimal resource consumption compared to others.

I just wish we would stop counting bullshit like Lunatic Plus because no human with a job is supposed to do that crap, and I already know that it’s the Robin and Fredrick show.
 
Metallic Blood said:
"fe4 enemies are not so strong that you need ayra to attack 20 freaking times in one round of combat. Just bring like half a dozen mounted units and give sylvia the foot leg. Since you aren't aren't bringing heaps of units they will get enough exp and access to the best weapons so that they will easily one round. Four of them get danced and then get more exp and all of them can reposition to get danced/make a defensive fromation after attacking. If you wanted to use ayra the position sylvia can dance in is limited to adjacent tiles since she doesn't have canto. This would be "solved" by giving ayra the knight ring but ayra gets to cover another 6 tiles anyway so in this case it's better off on sylvia so she can go her full movement despite ayra trying to hold her back. Now what of the foot leg? If you give it to ayra she can now cover 9 tiles per turn and keep up with the mounted units right?. well now you're either limited by sylvias 6 movement or you bench sylvia but then you need to bring 4 more units to get the same player phase action which will spread exp and items more thinly so your units won't be as good. So either: 1: give ayra the footleg and knight ring so she can move up to 9 tiles per turn and attack once or 2: give sylvia the knight ring and footleg so ayra can move up to 12 tiles per turn and attack twice. Why is this even a debate. The answer is black and white with very little grey in between: Ayra benefits more and the whole army benefits more from sylvia having the movement items or spend 200 turns per chapter because that's fun apparently"
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My Silvia died pretty early on lol. So did Tieltiu. It's weird but, unlike the other FE games I've played I was able to continue on without autistically resetting. I think it was because FE4 allows all units to sortie in every mission. The few casualties I had that weren't extreme personal favorites like Finn or Ayra or Bridgid I considered to be acceptable losses. Felt more like an actual war in that regard. I'm not even saying you're wrong, but I can't trade an Ayra for a Silvia... especially since she makes such powerful kids.
 
Engage had some decent maps and cool gameplay mechanics. But holy shit, the characters were annoying as shit and the story was terrible. It basically made the game unplayable unless you skipped the cutscenes and ignored the outside of battle stuff, which nobody is going to do on their first playthrough. Here's hoping the next game is more like Three Houses and less like Engage or Fates.
 
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