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Computer God Autism said:
I think most people here would be willing to shill for Andaron Saga.
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Andaron Saga is a fucking mess, I really wouldn't recommend it. This applies to both the story and the gameplay (or at least the release version, release left such a sour taste in my mouth I've never touched it again).
There's one image that gets passed around (usually by chan types) as a sort of recommendation list but I don't have it on hand, so I've asked a friend (and will provide it when I find it and get the chance to do so).

The big two that are always recommended are Order of the Crimson Arm (also known as Tacthack after the creator of it iirc), and Dark Lord and the Maiden of Light. Both are incredibly well done.
 
The Blue Room said:
are we in agreement that FEH ruined FE?
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FEH doesn't really get discussed here but I don't think you'll find anyone disagreeing that it's been a detriment to the series.
The Blue Room said:
And that FE 4-10 are peak and everything else is meh?
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No, most people here like Conquest, think Valentia is pure SOVL and a number have a soft-spot for Awakening. Opinions on 3H vary wildly depending on the what part of it is being discussed, Engage has a few diehard defenders of its gameplay.
 
Computer God Autism said:
FEH doesn't really get discussed here but I don't think you'll find anyone disagreeing that it's been a detriment to the series.
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I'm honestly a little surprised we don't have many gachaspergs here, considering FEH is still somewhat popular. It was actually one of my first FE experiences before I realized how much I hate gachas and decied to boot an emulator instead lol.

Actually now that you mention it, it has been a while since I heard of anything about FEH. I wonder how the game is goi-

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Kier said:
Bro it’s not that deep, our shitty niche JRPG isn’t a threat to the west. They live in a desert, and the setting was created for them instead of shoving them into a place where they weren’t before. They are perfectly reasonably in line with everything else in the game, which is all awful and over designed. There is nothing special or out of place about them in this bad game.

Nobody is changing their immigration opinions over Fire Emblem Engage holy shit
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Yeah. To go further, if MOVIEBOB can watch Dirty Harry and think it's a great film you can all handle environment-appropriate phenotypes. Dirty Harry is 100% about criminals being malicious and needing to be stopped by good men with guns but those libtards keep getting in the way (which is the scientifically-verified view, since Income levels do not predict criminality but personality traits do... and also predict income levels).

NerdShamer said:
Considering how the fanbase is never satisfied in terms of "gay representation" I'm more inclined to say that modern writing is what's ruining this series.
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I almost never take this track, because Fags are an issue people who are squeamish about race and are sort of dumb use to signal how Heckin' Based they are, but FE's gay representation is much more blatant than its racial representation. And actually represents a malign interest group.

Because she can be used as an example for so many things, why is Dorothea bisexual if her entire story and arc and thematic underpinnings are about heterosexual dynamics? And in the fandom her yuri pairings are explicitly used by tumblr-types as a form of WGTOW when that isn't what the character wants (or is suited for if you pay attention). it's because they probably guessed that a character who is frustrated by how certain men treated her would appeal to that audience so they gave them a superficially-developed angle to run with.
 
Computer God Autism said:
No, most people here like Conquest
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Conquest is actually really fun I just don't like spending an hour planning and prepping for a single chapter.

Engage was the only FE I did not finish (other than 3) because the characters were just so repulsive.

I don't have very high hopes for any future Fire Emblem games that aren't high quality remakes akin to Valentia.
 
Berrakh said:
I almost never take this track, because Fags are an issue people who are squeamish about race and are sort of dumb use to signal how Heckin' Based they are, but FE's gay representation is much more blatant than its racial representation.
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Granted, the series has some leeway with actual race issues; but when it comes to actual racism, it's hardly every brought up unless it's an completely different subspecies of humanity. I want to hear some more racism in these games. Stuff that's just an natural part of life instead of some plot-related drama. But we'll never get it because that shit would probably tank the sales, nowadays.


Berrakh said:
And actually represents a malign interest group.
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You know, I'd have less of an issue if the main characters were adults instead of a pair of teenagers trying to pull an Reverse Uno to hide their relationships.

The Blue Room said:
I don't have very high hopes for any future Fire Emblem games that aren't high quality remakes akin to Valentia
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I'm pretty sure that they'll find a way to ruin the classics. Since that one gay character can't be "just an joke" in this day and age.
 
Metallic Blood said:
I'm honestly a little surprised we don't have many gachaspergs here, considering FEH is still somewhat popular. It was actually one of my first FE experiences before I realized how much I hate gachas and decied to boot an emulator instead lol.

Actually now that you mention it, it has been a while since I heard of anything about FEH. I wonder how the game is goi-

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I actually play Heroes. It was one of the games I tried out when I got a smartphone and it's fun enough at first glance that I played through the storyline. Never spent a penny on it. It's not a good game though. The writing is formulaic, badly-paced, and shallow. And the gameplay has what seems to be a usual gacha problem where if you pull a few meta units then you can easily stomp over almost all the PvE content with no challenge, but PvP is pretty much whale or fuck off.

Well, that's not totally true, there's a enough shitter teams on there that you can get pretty high rank without paying, but at a certain point it's just not fun anymore since it feels like every meta unit just one-shots everything else or is a tank that never dies unless one-shot by a couple specific counter units. You just have to dance around trying to kill things without ever letting your guys end turn in enemy range or they die, particularly hard when movement range on some these guys keeps getting powercrept to where a few guys can pretty much run across the entire map to attack you and then canto halfway back turn 1, and losing even a single guy makes it difficult to rank up even if you win. It's also a massive pain to even know what exactly anything does because everyone's skills now are such text vomit that it puts Yu-Gi-Oh! cards to shame, and they just keep getting longer.
 
The Blue Room said:
Conquest is actually really fun I just don't like spending an hour planning and prepping for a single chapter.
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Unironically this is probably my favorite or second favorite thing about Conquest, I actually just love how much planning you can do before a chapter, like how many tonics you need to use without overspending it, or if you need to use a specific unit because of pairup bonuses or if they can deal with a certain map rather easily (shotouts to my boy Benny who killed a bunch of furries, and then rested in the bench for the rest of his days)

I actually like Thracia for a similar reason, deciding which scrolls goes for which units, or if its a good idea to bring that OP mage unit I have been using a lot for this chapter, or let them rest so they can reset their fatigue levels. Kinda wish FE went more with that direction rather than make 90% of your cast a "growth" character they have these days, but hey, what can ya do?

Retarded Weeb said:
I actually play Heroes. It was one of the games I tried out when I got a smartphone and it's fun enough at first glance that I played through the storyline. Never spent a penny on it. It's not a good game though. The writing is formulaic, badly-paced, and shallow. And the gameplay has what seems to be a usual gacha problem where if you pull a few meta units then you can easily stomp over almost all the PvE content with no challenge, but PvP is pretty much whale or fuck off.

Well, that's not totally true, there's a enough shitter teams on there that you can get pretty high rank without paying, but at a certain point it's just not fun anymore since it feels like every meta unit just one-shots everything else or is a tank that never dies unless one-shot by a couple specific counter units. You just have to dance around trying to kill things without ever letting your guys end turn in enemy range or they die, particularly hard when movement range on some these guys keeps getting powercrept to where a few guys can pretty much run across the entire map to attack you and then canto halfway back turn 1, and losing even a single guy makes it difficult to rank up even if you win. It's also a massive pain to even know what exactly anything does because everyone's skills now are such text vomit that it puts Yu-Gi-Oh! cards to shame, and they just keep getting longer.
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Yeah, seems that powercreep got really out of control.

I think I quitted just a bit before they introduced Duo units, the game was starting to go a bit too quick and complex for my taste, and this was when they introduced tier 4 skills. But man, watching the battle forecast "lying" to you, one unit dealing 99x2 and the other dealing 79x2 (which is actually 15???) makes me glad I stopped early on lol. It's even one thing for the effects becoming literal walls of text, but some of them are straight up asking you to perform calculus in mid-fight.

Where's my funny hand man "Reinhardt" carrying my F2P wins with Deathblow + Breaker skill :(
 
evrae said:
Andaron Saga is a fucking mess, I really wouldn't recommend it. This applies to both the story and the gameplay (or at least the release version, release left such a sour taste in my mouth I've never touched it again).
There's one image that gets passed around (usually by chan types) as a sort of recommendation list but I don't have it on hand, so I've asked a friend (and will provide it when I find it and get the chance to do so).

The big two that are always recommended are Order of the Crimson Arm (also known as Tacthack after the creator of it iirc), and Dark Lord and the Maiden of Light. Both are incredibly well done.
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Andaron sucks because a redditor got paid to write the story the creator of the hack wanted.
 
The Blue Room said:
New to this thread; are we in agreement that FEH ruined FE?
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No, FEH just capitalized on the fanbase introduced post Awakening (+ general consumer brain), if you really want a game to point fingers at every succeeding FE game has just been following in that games footsteps in terms of story and writing, it also hasn't really leaked into mainline FE gameplay wise (I think).
The Blue Room said:
And that FE 4-10 are peak and everything else is meh?
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3 is better than 4 so no.
Bixnood said:
Does this little community of ours have any romhacks for the GBA games to recommend?
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Bells of Byelen was fun, story is whatever but that's expected for the GBA romhack scene.

Another gameplay recommend is Eligor's Spear but that one is masochistically hard, borderline a puzzle game (with RNG!) on the highest difficulty, last I checked a second route got added but even if it wasn't the main game is still fully done.
 
The Blue Room said:
New to this thread; are we in agreement that FEH ruined FE? And that FE 4-10 are peak and everything else is meh?
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FE4 at least took risks (and was blatantly stolen borrowed from to make Awakening and 3Houses good). Even today Kaga's vision is being cherry picked from to keep shit relevant. The biggest "oh shit" moment I ever had playing FE games was the revelation that even the waifu wars shit and child units weren't an idea wholly original to Awakening. I used to give Awakening so much credit for those things, praised it up and down, knowing nothing of any FE game that came before it... then I played FE4.
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NerdShamer said:
I'm more inclined to say that modern writing is what's ruining this series.
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Some of us remember the worst of the Treehouse localizations. Remember Gaius making references to hollywood movies like Taken?
Berrakh said:
I almost never take this track, because Fags are an issue people who are squeamish about race and are sort of dumb use to signal how Heckin' Based they are, but FE's gay representation is much more blatant than its racial representation. And actually represents a malign interest group.
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I'm perfectly capable of hating and naming both, nigger. Boiling that racial/fag frog gets you the Furry Shadows we have today.
 
The Blue Room said:
New to this thread; are we in agreement that FEH ruined FE? And that FE 4-10 are peak and everything else is meh?
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FEH is insultingly bad. Like yeah I know it's autoplay gacha slop, but even for that genre it's so, so bad. There's basically not a single thing to enjoy about it. I liked Dragalia quite a bit, but FEH is on its own level as a lazy cash grab.

Weirdly enough, Warriors, which is another FE spinoff that came out the same year, is incredible. It's probably the second best Warriors game.
 
While Awakening definitely had the largest impact on the series going forward, I think elements of FEH have definitely bled into the mainline games. Specifically the art style; with Engage it's gotten to the point where I cannot visually distinguish the game from Genshin, Wuthering Waves or any other generic gachaslop. Somewhere in the ancient land of Nippon a bunch of 80 year business men mathematically discovered what the most inoffensive and marketable anime style is and decided to go with that particular one forever.

"But Fire Emblem was always anime!" Anime as an art style can be very broad. Just look up the cover art for the different games in the series and you'll see what I mean.

I would be fine with FEH existing by itself in a vacuum but its success is the only reason we're getting another mobile game. More mobile game slop = less time money and effort put into the ACTUAL Fire Emblem games.
 
I didn't know it was Dorothea's fictional birthday but some nice art was released so now I do.

Not going to wish her a happy birfday but I will say it's great how she conned woke people into supporting a character whose whole justification is tantamount to genetic birthright. She gets to marry well because she's beautiful and has the inborn talent necessary to be an Opera Diva so she was noticed. Then she just has lots of kids and lives privately in either major ending for her (Byleth or Ferdinand). Total eugenics victory. The real hierarchy is preserved just because she reads like a girlboss.

It is sort of annoying for Anons to autistically not "get it" because they started learning about the Red Pill or whatever around the time 3H released but, uh, none of that was meant to criticize girls with lives like hers. Stuff like that was a good predictor that it was a grift taking money from profoundly alienated young men, and deals in every bit the same Inverted Hierarchy Fantasies as woke stuff.

The thing with Beauty is you can't really argue with it. That's the reddest pill of allllll!
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Berrakh said:
I didn't know it was Dorothea's fictional birthday but some nice art was released so now I do.

Not going to wish her a happy birfday but I will say it's great how she conned woke people into supporting a character whose whole justification is tantamount to genetic birthright. She gets to marry well because she's beautiful and has the inborn talent necessary to be an Opera Diva so she was noticed. Then she just has lots of kids and lives privately in either major ending for her (Byleth or Ferdinand). Total eugenics victory. The real hierarchy is preserved just because she reads like a girlboss.

It is sort of annoying for Anons to autistically not "get it" because they started learning about the Red Pill or whatever around the time 3H released but, uh, none of that was meant to criticize girls with lives like hers. Stuff like that was a good predictor that it was a grift taking money from profoundly alienated young men, and deals in every bit the same Inverted Hierarchy Fantasies as woke stuff.

The thing with Beauty is you can't really argue with it. That's the reddest pill of allllll!
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You can just say she's your waifu upfront, you don't have to write a political justification for it.
 
Berrakh said:
I wanted to. And I doubt it's something you say consistently given she's falsely associated with Class Consciousness and Hypergamy. Like it or not she's politicized, just very badly.
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Yes, I don't consistently tell people they don't have to write a political justification for their waifu because normally the sorts of people who have to do that shouldn't be let within a hundred feet of an elementary school, not because they have to make everything about a debate on /v/ from half a decade ago.
 
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