Fire Emblem series

[AnotherPleb]

And with the battle against Bern, hopefully it is less exaggerated lol. A 12 year old boy leading a counter-offensive against a massive force? I don’t think so. Basically the entire story of FE6 could use a huge overhaul since it was just a repeat of FE1 just with different hair colors.

By the point that pops up Roy's already pretty seasoned. He'd already stopped the rebellion in Ostia, cleaned up a lot of issues with the Etrurian nobles abusing the Western Isles, and helped stop the usurpers puppeting the Etrurian king. About all I'd do is make him, Wolt, and Lilina a couple years older, but when he's made the head of that counteroffensive he's earned the post.

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

By the point that pops up Roy's already pretty seasoned. He'd already stopped the rebellion in Ostia, cleaned up a lot of issues with the Etrurian nobles abusing the Western Isles, and helped stop the usurpers puppeting the Etrurian king. About all I'd do is make him, Wolt, and Lilina a couple years older, but when he's made the head of that counteroffensive he's earned the post.

When I was 12 I learned how to whack off

Yes yes a 12 year old COULD possibly lead a military campaign

But come on

 

[Tony2Timez]

When I was 12 I learned how to whack off

Yes yes a 12 year old COULD possibly lead a military campaign

But come on

It's trivial to the game itself but I'm 99% sure Roy is 15 at the start of FE6. There's small time skips and the like, so he's feasibly 16 or so by the time he's invading Bern. Again, certainly very young, but I feel like there's a decent maturity gap between 12 year-olds and 15-16 year-olds.

Roy seems to be the butt of a lot of jokes but he's never bothered me that much (character-wise, at least; trying to use him in-game is a different story). He just feels like a more watered-down version of Leif.

While we're on the topic of the Elibe games, I've been playing an unhealthy amount of FE7 over the past few months, mostly just having fun trying to finally fill out the support catalogue (I know you can watch them all on YouTube I'm just a completionist lol). The supports in this game are really great and I'm shocked people don't talk about them more. Most of them are really well done for being bits of dialogue that 90% of people aren't going to see in a given playthrough; the cast (which is already pretty good) is really elevated because of them. I also finished Hector Hard Mode for the first time in years and I don't remember it being as difficult as it was; still very enjoyable to work my way through (BS like the double whammy of Fog of War Living Legend and Genesis aside). I've always liked FE7 but every time I've replayed it I've come to love it more and more.

 

[Metallic Blood]

Sorry if this has been brought up countless times but I think a FE6+7 would really kick ass.

FE7 is the prologue, so chronologically this would make the most sense to be first.

( I don’t know if they would either include, exclude, or beef up Lyn’s story in the beginning. Maybe if it introduced the world of Elibe a bit more, but it’s kind of limited when it’s just the border of Sacae and some of Lycia. )

I would love a FE6+FE7 collab, but I can't tell if it would be too optimstic to expect a remake of 2 entire games for the price of one... but then again, they also brought Advace Wars 1+2 so who truly knows.

Elibe is pretty ripe for story telling I must say. For example the lands in FE13 aren’t very well defined. Just that the north is cold. Wow.

Duuude, one of my deepest wishes for a FE6 remake would be the inclusion of some sort of "Lilina Mode" like FE7 Hector Mode, not because I want Lilina to be a main lord (even though she's my favorite character and that would be nice to see), but since the Elibe games have probably my favorite worldbuilding out of the series (which Is saying a lot since Jugdral and Tellius are pretty good too), it would be awesome having two different "campaigns".

Roy mode would focus its cutscenes and story progression more towards the mysticism and lore involved with the Dragons and the Eight Legends and other stuff like that, meanwhile Lilina mode would focus more on the politics and the world of Elibe, how the nations are reacting towards the current war, if they ally or defy Bern, stuff like that. I even remember that the FE6 cast has a pretty diverse group of "political" leaders, like the Erturian Generals, Dayan being a chieftan of one of the main tribes, Juno being an ex leader of one Ilia's main mercenary squads, Yoder being a soon-to-be archbishop. So that easily could be fun thing to make about.

EDIT to avoid doubleposting:

I've always liked FE7 but every time I've replayed it I've come to love it more and more.

One aspect that I love about FE games is how they managed to make a 40+ hour campaign very replayable, I think I played FE6 way more times than I would like to share, and even then, every consequent playthrough is better than the last one.

Random stat level ups and 50+ characters definetly help, but I dunno, there's something so nice about getting better in a game with very simple options (Attack, Rescue, Item, Trade) or just trying to use a different strategy even if you're using the same characters from before.

 

[Quartermaster]

A combined FE6 and FE7 remake would be a pretty bad idea, they'd just half ass both.

Just release one before the other and have your saves interact with both games.
Like imagine if your FE7 save would affect some of the units in FE6.

Like say if you have Nino marry either Erk or Jaffar, Chad, Lugh and Raigh would have slightly different stats and such.
Same for Roy, Lilina and the other "child" units.

I'd rather wait a year or so for one of the games than play a shitty half assed remake.
Give me Echoes tier presentation and effort!

 

[Berrakh]

You are all far too happy.

So I was reading about Vince McMahon’s allegations, which reminded me of the UVA rape hoax, which also reminded me of some potential spic here suggesting Three Houses contained a false rape accusation. From an interaction the rest of the time people deny had any sexual interest for the same purpose that his own dark-complexioned declamation served.

I think Engage is gonna have to be the future of the series. People can’t cope with mild complexity, and will even deny it is complex while falling to pieces for the sake of shallow judgements. And that’s really sad.

 

[NerdShamer]

I think Engage is gonna have to be the future of the series. People can’t cope with mild complexity, and will even deny it is complex while falling to pieces for the sake of shallow judgements.

All I want is an good strategy game that wasn't written by an 5 year old, for once

 

[Etched]

I think Engage is gonna have to be the future of the series. People can’t cope with mild complexity, and will even deny it is complex while falling to pieces for the sake of shallow judgements. And that’s really sad.

3H sold double what Engage did. People obviously don't mind stories with mild complexity, even if they misunderstand them.

That being said, Engage was the way it was with it's writing because A) Koei Techmo did a lot of the story/scenario for 3H as far as I remember and B) the main writer was Nami Komuro. Who also was the main writer for Awakening and Fates. And go figure, all three games have awful stories. As long as that women is in charge of the writing for FE we're going to keep getting recycled slop for stories, no matter what the games sell or if people understand them properly.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

there's some good lolcow milk on the Mangs sphere if I can find the motivation to type it out.

Donlot, Raulster/Alice, Klokinator, and a lot of retarded gay ops.

 

[mrs thickness]

there's some good lolcow milk on the Mangs sphere if I can find the motivation to type it out.

Donlot, Raulster/Alice, Klokinator, and a lot of retarded gay ops.

>mangs, zoomers, trannies, and redditors having gay op drama
a tale as old as time, really. i guess that's why there was an andaron saga thread on /v/, lmao

 

[Alexander Thaut]

>mangs, zoomers, trannies, and redditors having gay op drama
a tale as old as time, really. i guess that's why there was an andaron saga thread on /v/, lmao

yeah Klok got paid like 500 bucks a month or some shit to help write Andaron but his shit work ethic slowed down development and he forced Mangs to integrate it all into his OC-verse.

 

[NerdShamer]

And go figure, all three games have awful stories

Well, they're certainly are awful. Just not in the this exact same way, fortunately

 

[Doctor of Autism]

3H sold double what Engage did. People obviously don't mind stories with mild complexity, even if they misunderstand them.

That being said, Engage was the way it was with it's writing because A) Koei Techmo did a lot of the story/scenario for 3H as far as I remember and B) the main writer was Nami Komuro. Who also was the main writer for Awakening and Fates. And go figure, all three games have awful stories. As long as that women is in charge of the writing for FE we're going to keep getting recycled slop for stories, no matter what the games sell or if people understand them properly.

She also is likely responsible for the writing in Fire Emblem Heroes, granted Gacha game writing is a very low bar, but juggernauts in gacha have stuff that sticks for people, but FEH has the most boring ass story and one of the worst multiplayer modes that the only reason anyone plays it is for the characters from pre-established games.

 

[mrs thickness]

I honestly don't see Three Houses writing is that much more grounded, well thought out, dignified, or un-anime than what Komuro writes when one of your main characters is a high school girl teleporting around (she forgets how to do this) and talking like Sephiroth while wearing a Power Rangers villain costume

Or when the school finds a student who's been missing for a year, which nobody asks questions about, who is actually secretly an evil goth BDSM clown, who kills the protagonist's, who is Jesus, parent (the bad guy stops Byleth from rewinding time by ??????, and never again) and then tries to make you feel bad for her as she is ritual sacrificed to send the protagonist to an alternate dimension, which they escape by going super saiyan and cutting through the dimension using their yu yu hakusho kuwabara 次元刀 technique
Or how in the ensuing battle they fall off a cliff, and then asleep for exactly five years, just in time for the high school reunion that they pwomised, despite the fucking war happening. no nobody saw the body that whole time either
Or how in war phase you're walking back and forth from your high school and the location of every battle on the continent
Or when that other main character just decides to stop being schizophrenic after the protagonist doesn't rewind time to prevent an easily preventable death, for literally no reason
Or Shambhala

 

[NerdShamer]

Or how in war phase you're walking back and forth from your high school and the location of every battle on the continent

This is partially excused with the monastery being in the middle of fucking everything. But it's just as retarded as the entire cast spending at least half an month their while the front lines magically stay the same.

Or when that other main character just decides to stop being schizophrenic after the protagonist doesn't rewind time to prevent an easily preventable death, for literally no reason

Oh, that's simple. They went over their budget and had to cut out an few characters that would have been otherwise influential to save money on the voice acting

 

[Ceiling Kitten]

I honestly don't see Three Houses writing is that much more grounded, well thought out, dignified, or un-anime than what Komuro writes when one of your main characters is a high school girl teleporting around (she forgets how to do this) and talking like Sephiroth while wearing a Power Rangers villain costume

Or when the school finds a student who's been missing for a year, which nobody asks questions about, who is actually secretly an evil goth BDSM clown, who kills the protagonist's, who is Jesus, parent (the bad guy stops Byleth from rewinding time by ??????, and never again) and then tries to make you feel bad for her as she is ritual sacrificed to send the protagonist to an alternate dimension, which they escape by going super saiyan and cutting through the dimension using their yu yu hakusho kuwabara 次元刀 technique
Or how in the ensuing battle they fall off a cliff, and then asleep for exactly five years, just in time for the high school reunion that they pwomised, despite the fucking war happening. no nobody saw the body that whole time either
Or how in war phase you're walking back and forth from your high school and the location of every battle on the continent
Or when that other main character just decides to stop being schizophrenic after the protagonist doesn't rewind time to prevent an easily preventable death, for literally no reason
Or Shambhala

They seem to think 3H is somehow High Literature And So Much Deeper Than These Silly Awakening / Fates / Engage games they look down on. When deep down, it’s just as animesque as them — just in a different way. /kanyeshrug

 

[Doctor of Autism]

They seem to think 3H is somehow High Literature And So Much Deeper Than These Silly Awakening / Fates / Engage games they look down on. When deep down, it’s just as animesque as them — just in a different way. /kanyeshrug

tbf Fire Emblem Three Houses while it isn't the deepest writing imaginable has more of an effort put into it compared to Awakening/Fates/Engage in terms of its worldbuilding and writing.

Love it or Hate it, people talk more about the in-universe politics of Three Houses whereas no one gives a fuck about the world in Awakening, Fates, or Engage.

Though on a side tangent, it is retarded for anyone to complain about Fire Emblem being "anime" when all the games had anime elements to them to some degree.

 

[NerdShamer]

They seem to think 3H is somehow High Literature And So Much Deeper Than These Silly Awakening / Fates / Engage games they look down on. When deep down, it’s just as animesque as them — just in a different way. /kanyeshrug

Yeah, but the standard for the series is so low that it's not that hard to invent something that's turned out to be an long-form shitpost.

Love it or Hate it, people talk more about the in-universe politics of Three Houses whereas no one gives a fuck about the world in Awakening, Fates, or Engage.

And as always, the autists wouldn't stop drawing parallels to real-life because of it.

 

[Quartermaster]

I'd say 3H is about the same quality writing wise as FE7-FE10 there is just more of it.
The 3H characters are just as likable as in those older games but we just get to know more about them, in my opinion too much.

As for the plot stuff, FE has always been very trite plot-wise, its nothing special.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

And as always, the autists wouldn't stop drawing parallels to real-life because of it.

Its one thing to have a piece of fiction resonate with you and have you be reminded of some connection to the real world, its another to treat characters on the same level as Hitler or situations like they are as real as current hot button issues.

I'd say 3H is about the same quality writing wise as FE7-FE10 there is just more of it.
The 3H characters are just as likable as in those older games but we just get to know more about them, in my opinion too much.

As for the plot stuff, FE has always been very trite plot-wise, its nothing special.

Yeah while I enjoy Three Houses for the plot and cast, it had some issues (like two of the routes being the same, repetitive story beats, and some things that feel like they should be addressed even with the route justification), like no game is perfect, it just is one of the two post-awakening Fire Emblem games that delivers on both good writing and fun gameplay.

The other modern fire emblem game that does this is Echoes, and that one is one of the rare remakes that completely elevates the source material since Gaiden was very bare bones and had many limitations due to being an NES game.